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<beach>
rainthree: Please don't post just links, but also give a short explanation of why you did. Posting just links is troll behavior.
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<rainthree>
I pasted them into #lisp yesterday, today I noticed you are not there so I pasted them here. The reason I pasted the links is that you and other people may feel like commenting, from your comments I can learn and get insights
<beach>
OK.
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<pjb>
and usually, there's a bot to fetch the titles.
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<lisp123>
rainthree: you wrote this?
<rainthree>
no
<lisp123>
its an interesting read
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<Xach>
I find code with BB hard to read
<Xach>
I suspect it's possible to get used to it
<beach>
What is BB?
<yitzi>
BBCode?
<Xach>
beach: in the blog.rongarret.info post above, he introduces a new binding construct "BB" that is like LET with fewer parens.
<beach>
I see.
<Xach>
beach: it's not just a thought exercise for the sake of a post, if you read his subsequent code it uses BB extensively. In my opinion it makes it difficult to read and reuse.
<beach>
I fully understand. It is just that I didn't read the code.
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<mfiano>
Xach: I sent you a query last week. I'm hoping you will get to it.
* Xach
scrolls around
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<Nilby>
i wish an editor had a mode where it would expand/get rid of peoples pet macros for the view.
<Xach>
I think there are some (many?) cases where that wouldn't help - people write pet macros to enable them to hide what looks ugly when written conventionally. I suspect BB would be a nasty cascade of LETs.
<Nilby>
hmmm, quite true. maybe just temporarily, hovering over it or something
<Nilby>
"code exploder mode"
<zeroc00l0>
What about an editor mode that will translate your pet macros into mine.
<Nilby>
zeroc00l0: even better :)
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<Nilby>
like a loop <--> iterate transaltor
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<Guest74>
Nilby: I like the idea of editor only macros, so the lisp code that is saved is pure common lisp but you can write with whatever incomprehensible syntax you like.
<jackdaniel>
you'd trade incoprehensible syntax with incomprehensive code generated by a compiler
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<jackdaniel>
s/with/for/
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<random-nick>
also, it's almost always easier to modify the macro invocation rather than the macro expansion
<jackdaniel>
that's my point, expand any random macro provided by lisp implementation (and these are often written by knowledgeble people) - all you'll see is a mess and start complaining that lisp is not for people because of the parens ;-)
<Guest74>
I figured the code would be generated by the person who made the editor macro. of course editor macros would not have the same power as regular macros, since they have a different expansion time.
<Guest74>
we're not talking expand every macro in existence.
<jackdaniel>
then I am lost regarding what we are talking about; sorry for interrupting in that case
<Guest74>
your input is always appreciated.
<Guest74>
my brain is also very addled by covid so...
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<jackdaniel>
I'd skip the "also", I didn't say that I'm lost because I have problems with comprehension
<Guest74>
is your brain also addled by covid?
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<jackdaniel>
it certainly is not; I don't consider my brain "addled", but I sympathize
<Guest74>
ah, i added that because I might not be having the greatest ideas right now.
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<jackdaniel>
does anyone have genera documentation for silica?
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<Guest74>
I think there was a link from that web interface.
<jackdaniel>
to be clear, I'm not talking about CLIM 2 specification
<Guest74>
yes, they had the full manual. I read the windowing parts.
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<Guest74>
i'm not sure it was at that site though...
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<Nilby>
jackdaniel: i'm guessing you probably don't want it in .sab (concordia binary) format
<random-nick>
maybe bitsavers has a manual for it?
<jackdaniel>
Nilby: probably not :)
<Guest74>
I know I didn't go searching for it. I just clicked a link posted here or reddit.
<jackdaniel>
random-nick: I've found clim manual, and some windowing manual, but nothing focused on silica (there were parts mentioning it though)
<Nilby>
i think bitsavers just has the user level manuals
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<White_Flame>
Guest74: a big problem with preprocessors is that your compiler reporting & debugger isn't aware of them
<White_Flame>
re editor macros
<Guest74>
I'm not sure that's a 'big' problem.
<Guest74>
jackdaniel: have you been checking bitsavers website or archive.org?
<jackdaniel>
yes, I have a couple of interesting documents now, but not the one I'm after :)
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<Guest74>
perhaps since silica was developed elsewhere the docs would be cataloged elsewhere.
<jackdaniel>
(I'm not ever certain whether there was a public specification of that module)
<Nilby>
interestingly i think genera clim could have an adaptive mirrored sheet "grafted" onto a remote Motif or OpenLook toolkit thingy, but if Corning got wind that they called it Pyrex™
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<Nilby>
there's a doc that describes the silica protocols, but i think unless it was printed, it may have pulled the function definitions from the running system
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<jackdaniel>
Nilby: maybe it has bits of information I'm after - if you have it then please share
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<Guest74>
Nilby: do you know of anything with information on that concordia binary format?
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<Nilby>
Guest74: i think the docs in that format document the format :)
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<Guest74>
While I have found memories cracking stuff at the hex editor, I think those days are gone.
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<Nilby>
you can just "strings" the file and read it
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<contrapunctus>
Guest74: where did you find these memories?
<contrapunctus>
...SCNR
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