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<lanefu> I still think the possibly abandoned rock 3b would be the ultimate light NAS board
<archetech> hey fu
<archetech> diggin my rock5 w/ ssd boot
<archetech> armbian got out front on htis board like I cant beleive
<archetech> this*
<archetech> not hard to beat radxa devs though
<lanefu> Lol
<lanefu> Mine are still in their boxes. You're using armbian uboot on SPI?
<lanefu> What are you doing with yours?
<archetech> jerrkin around
<archetech> kde gnome etc
<archetech> speaking of nas some are using a 5 port m.2 sata jm585
<archetech> noew thats a nas
<archetech> now
<lanefu> Yeah I've been eyeballing that path. Almost ordered their m.key to SATA breakout and a jm5xx multiplier
<archetech> yup me too gonna see what others do in next month or so first
<archetech> ill wait for mainline in feb or so
<archetech> then arch will eat armbians lunch enjoy the lead ya have while ya can ;)
<lanefu> Yeah I glanced in the mailing list that the pcie proposed code needed to be reworked but smells like 6.3ish where it's worth playing with
<archetech> 6.3 rc1 cant come soon enough
<archetech> balbes did some neat stuff with efi/grub might give that a try
<lanefu> For rock5? Using rockchip's edk2 stuff?
<archetech> yup
<archetech> dloadin g from russia though who knows whats hidin in those img's
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<archetech> gah kwin dumped the core
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Ditch grub
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> It does nothing for you
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> hey archetech
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> where that Jim at
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> grub is fine, ManOfTheSea is being contrarian for the sake of it
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> EFI not grubby
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> everything is grubby
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> like your hands
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<archetech> lol hi T
* archetech ignores comments that make no sense
<archetech> grub is a pkg that could make multi boot on arm quite easy
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> what is a good benchmark for sbcs?
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> it looks as if glmark2 been removed from debian stable
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> I am going to benchmark some sbcs that I have
<archetech> ya missed my posted benches of common sbc's yest
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> what benchmark tool is used to benchmark sbcs?
<archetech> passmark and glmark2
<archetech> same as any
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<Armbian-Discord> <W​olfo> Hello
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> hi
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<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> glmark2 is not in the debian stable repos
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<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> So is EFI or gummiboot, and they have far less cruft
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> ooo I love discussions on religion, especially bootloaders
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> systemd-boot... hmmm
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> is unixbench a good benchmark tool?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> every benchmark known to science creates number without meaning unless the context of the benchmark is known
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so sure, for what unixbench is for, I'm sure it's "good"
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> tkaiser would not agree 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> benchmarking is like polling before an election 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> tkaiser never agrees, but on this one he might. Even his tool is useless for some things
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> for me, any gl benchmark is just a waste of effort since I rarely use the ugly D shaped ports 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah, its certainly more scientific approach if you don't agree then believing into some benchmark because its popular and known
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> well if the same benchmark is done on different computers then the higher score would be more powerful device and lower would be less powerful
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> maybe 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i think its just a complex question
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> again, if it's measuring something pointless
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it won't help
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah, and you have to be very careful that the thing being measured, is actually being measured
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> for example tkaiser had to add a clock checking routine to his benchmark suite because a lot of these SBC's outright lie about the system clock speed
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> unixbench is open source so its not like the program can be faking the numbers
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> you misunderstand
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> if you intend to check your disk I/O speed, for example
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> oh lying about the clock speed
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> and instead your file fits in cache
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> you will benchmark your RAM instead 😛
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Yeah, it's a complex question. I would run a series of benchmarks to get an idea, not just stick to one
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> Is there any way to get glmark2 on debian?
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> without going to sid
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> no idea
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I don't do anything graphical on these devices with any regularity
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> the ones with screens are being configured with Sway
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> sway might be better performance then x11 since its wayland
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> yeah, but it's tiling
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> so not nice for average Joe Armbian
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> who used to be average Joe Raspbian
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it does install very easily, I have to say
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> for GLMark2, what are you trying to compare?
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> just between some devices
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> well glmark2 is not going to work headless
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> sure
<Armbian-Discord> <J​ason123> I will just try unixbench
<archetech> no way to tell which img's are extlnux vs armbianENV type
<archetech> on dload page for rock5 id like a kinetic extlinux minimal/cli
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<jock> hello all!
<jock> quick question: has the menu to select u-boot/kernel only compilation been removed intentionally on armbian build system? I'm in expert mode and the building scripts don't ask anymore since latest 6.1 bumps
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> jock: yes, its waiting to get back soon
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/4519
<jock> Ahh ok, got it, thanks!
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<lanefu> Glmark I believe will headless there's an off screen flag lol
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