cr1901 changed the topic of ##yamahasynths to: Channel dedicated to questions and discussion of Yamaha FM Synthesizer internals and corresponding REing. Discussion of synthesis methods similar to the Yamaha line of chips, Sound Blasters + clones, PCM chips like RF5C68, and CD theory of operation are also on-topic. Channel logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~yamahasynths
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<NiGHTS>
WesternDesignCenter sur Twitter : "We can officially mention this now! WDC's 6502 core is now on plastic! The team at PragmatIC is delightful and they have some great, ever-changing technology. Looking forward to a continued partnership for 65xx based thin film solutions.… https://t.co/LOXcpwsrnl"
<ZrX-NoMs>
But will it melt?
<cr1901>
Dunno... ARM seems to have gotten it right at a few dozen khz
<qu1j0t3>
no computer should run faster than that anyway imho !
<cr1901>
This but somewhat unironically
<qu1j0t3>
it was definitely not meant fully ironically :D
<andlabs>
hu
<andlabs>
h
<andlabs>
ok
<andlabs>
post-conductive computing
<cr1901>
semiinsulators
<qu1j0t3>
but i would be wondering whether process improvement still follows moore's law, or will be super-moore's law.
<qu1j0t3>
was moore's law ever exceeded or was it a limit? i know we had a long period where everything was sub-moore's
<andlabs>
huh
<andlabs>
the wikipedia page on the KIM-1 has everything
<cr1901>
moore's law was doomed when dennard scaling failed miserably
<qu1j0t3>
during the decade before last )
<andlabs>
...except the CPU speed
<andlabs>
:|
<andlabs>
I guess it runs at 600 Ghz then, who knows
<andlabs>
not sure why they slowed down the PET so severely but whatever
<qu1j0t3>
what was the PET clock speed?
<cr1901>
No more than 1MHz
<qu1j0t3>
that was normal for the time
<qu1j0t3>
1-2 MHz
<madeline>
10ghz pentium 4
<qu1j0t3>
lol
<qu1j0t3>
they tried, they tried. cryo overclockers, do they still exist
<qu1j0t3>
i promise we won't kinkshame, reveal yourselves
<sorear>
I'm still unclear on what the use case for this is supposed to be beyond permanent RFID tags in clothing
<cr1901>
Who knows? I'm just happy it's not only ARM getting into it :P
<andlabs>
qu1j0t3: but what's the kink in this case
<andlabs>
liquid nitrogen cooling or failed speed ambitions
<andlabs>
actually that's a dumb question forget I said that
<qu1j0t3>
:)
<andlabs>
anyway apparentlyt he p4 in my dimension 2400 is 2.5Ghz or so
<andlabs>
would have surprised 2005 me even if I could have seen it perfectly
<qu1j0t3>
i have a couple of 3.2 P4's here
<andlabs>
*easily
<qu1j0t3>
but the systems they are in appear to have died of old age
<andlabs>
always seemed more like 260 Mhz lol
<ZrX-NoMs>
An you can even run single chip / SoC MCUs at 1GHz these days.
<andlabs>
256MB RAM and possibly 2003 intel graphics were the real bottlenecks though
<andlabs>
could not run linux at all without getting a second 256 stick
<andlabs>
well I mean I could but it was just profoundly unberable
<andlabs>
anyway I might try running modern debian or slax on this thing because I want to run modern GNU ddrescue and use it to rip hard drives
<andlabs>
we'll see how that goes
<andlabs>
first i need to find my xp sp3 image because oops I only have media center from when I had a MSDN subscription and I don't wnat ot renew it right this moment
<andlabs>
since I also need to run DiscImageCreator which is not a linux application and will not compile on 32-bit linux
<andlabs>
(it's a windows application with a thin half-assed source-level compatibility layer that seems to have not been actuallyt ested)
<NiGHTS>
Putzi sur Twitter : "how about a bunch of fresh MOS 6581 R4 AR ?… "
<andlabs>
of course someone would ask for a sid lol
<andlabs>
not sure whyt hey want that specific one
<andlabs>
did the 6581/8580 turf war devolve into specific revisions now
<ZrX-NoMs>
Always
<ZrX-NoMs>
AR doesn't relly differ from the rest of 6581, but some specific chips have sounded different enough that people think it's the last best 6581 there is.
<andlabs>
brb making a fake-SID a la the MC303 Groovebox
<andlabs>
revive the actual turf war of 90s professional musicians
<NiGHTS>
MYNKUSMAKES sur Twitter : "So basically we can play C64 games soon on every container’s IOT device?… "
<andlabs>
...IoT containers?
<andlabs>
actually yeah plastic chips may be a bad idea after all
<ZrX-NoMs>
Plain 6581 R4 then again is somewhat rare'ish as it was made for a short time before the AR.
<tpw_rules>
what products have pragmatIC actually made/
<tpw_rules>
where can i buy one
<tpw_rules>
seems largely RFID
<tpw_rules>
they seem to talk a lot about "potential"
<andlabs>
#bringbackgermanium
<andlabs>
(70s musician turf war!)
<sorear>
I don't see why we need to replace the most abundant solid element in the crust with something that has worse performance
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<andlabs>
sorear: so apparently back in the early 70s as germanium electronic components were being replaced with silicon ones a bunch of musicians were angry that their effects pedals sounded different
<qu1j0t3>
probbaly true if that was a 1:1 replacement :)
<qu1j0t3>
very different semiconductor behaviour
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<Foone>
analog chips, so annoying!
<sorear>
are these the same people who compete with nuke plants for NOS tubes
<alexisvl>
lol, ge transistors absolutely sound different in circuits designed to make heavy use of the device characteristics (effects pedals!)
* alexisvl
gestures to the small pile of Ge transistors and diodes she has squirreled away somewhere
<alexisvl>
useful once in a while :)
<andlabs>
I guess I bought a VMEbus computer for some reason
<qu1j0t3>
to help stop your house blowing away in a high wind
<qu1j0t3>
alexisvl: wb
<andlabs>
lol
<andlabs>
it's a micro
<andlabs>
maybe one day I'll wind up with a minicomputer or mainframe but that day has not yet arrived
<andlabs>
I will say *it* likely won't blow away in the wind; it seems to be all-metal