15:53 <sewn> https://envs.sh/5Ll.png is 100% Xwayland usage normal?

15:58 <leon-p> no, not really

15:59 <TheAnachron> sewn which app is running on xwayland?

16:00 <sewn> i was trying to run spotify :p

16:02 <TheAnachron> maybe redirect it to a logfile and check what it's doing? if that is not enough, one probably can use an strace.

16:03 <sewn> restarting river had fixed it already

16:04 <sewn> spotify has no special error information because out of the box its just gonna run in Xwayland. there are methods of running it natively in wayland (because its electron) but i lose some functionality there

16:06 <TheAnachron> uh oh, electron. /hides

16:06 <TheAnachron> you could try to use some of the cli players. I love CLI tooling :-)

17:02 <leon-p> it's not really about CLI vs GUI, a well written GUI is also efficient

17:02 <leon-p> and for a music player at least I really want to see album art, so terminal applications aren't really well suited

17:02 <leon-p> still on cmus though, because it's the only bearable music player

17:04 <leon-p> (or in other words, if you don't want to be disillusioned about terminal applications, don't write a TUI library and an entire TUI application suite)

17:17 <ifreund> I think terminals are a terrible abstraction, there is a better narrow waist for doing rich TUI stuff

17:37 <sewn> spotify_player is so much better, yes.

17:37 <sewn> has sixel so albums no issue

17:39 <Franciman> sewn: what is spotify_player?

17:40 <sewn> https://github.com/aome510/spotify-player, better (no spotifyd, and more actions) and actually maintained unlike spotify-tui >:(

17:40 <Franciman> awesome, thanks

17:40 <Franciman> spotifyd was giving problems for me

17:41 <sewn> glad to move another user

17:45 <Franciman> sewn: do you have a similar tip for telegram?

17:46 <sewn> i only use telegram for android roms, so its only on my phone. lmk if you find something though.

17:46 <sewn> there seems to be https://github.com/FedericoBruzzone/tgt which looks good.

17:46 <Franciman> the best i could find was a tui for matrix

17:46 <Franciman> and then use matrix's bridge to telegram

17:47 <sewn> which i believe would be gomuks?

17:49 <Franciman> yup

17:49 <Franciman> that one doesn't seem bad

17:49 <Franciman> i think there is also telegram-cli

17:49 <Franciman> but not a tui

17:50 <sewn> matrix.org has an official bridge for telegram or is it the other way around ?

17:51 <Franciman> matrix provides one

17:51 <sewn> nice

18:16 <TheAnachron> leon-p: most tools are better than anything written for electron.

18:16 <leon-p> reasonable assessment

18:17 <leon-p> still, most TUI apps are bad, both because terminals are miserable application platforms and because a lot of developers don't seem to care

18:21 <leon-p> at my uni office I actually don't open a terminal any more most days, just emacs and firefox

18:21 <leon-p> only need terminal for ssh-ing into the camera computer

19:16 <TheAnachron> I love owning my own data and having the ability to automate things. That's not reasonable to expect from a GUI application.

19:17 <TheAnachron> There are of course exceptions for this. But mostly CLI apps fit the bill. TUI apps often come with a client that allows for Automation or has event hooks.