03:02 <Nickli> __toor__, you forgot GTK whatever version it was

05:12 <notchoc> hi! i noticed that negative subsurface positioning only renders within the parent surface, is this a bug?

09:34 <ifreund> notchoc: not sure, subsurfaces are pretty finicky and mostly handled by wlroots

09:34 <ifreund> what client is doing this?

09:47 <notchoc> ifreund: chocobar (https://codeberg.org/notchoc/chocobar), invoke with `(printf 'foo\vbar\vbaz\n'; sleep inf) | chocobar -Z -y 128` and then change 128 to -128

09:48 <ifreund> notchoc: I get a 404, is that a private repo?

09:48 <Nickli> codeberg is having issues

09:48 <ifreund> ah

09:48 <Nickli> atleast it had earlier

09:48 <Nickli> worked for me

09:48 <ifreund> will test later, feel free to open an issue to track the possible bug

09:49 <Nickli> *the url worked for me

09:50 <notchoc> alright, shall try to make a test client too

09:52 <ifreund> also, I dont recall details but iirc the spec allows compositors to crop subsurfaces to the parent surface dimensions if they want

09:53 <ifreund> for river I'd like to do whatever results in the best end user UX and stay consistent with other compositors

09:57 <notchoc> fwiw, sway and dwl render as expected with no clipping

11:52 <leon-p> I think policy-wise: crop SSD windows; don't crop CSD windows, desktop widgets (layer-shell or the new surface types by the WM protocol)

11:53 <leon-p> either way, using subsurfaces to extend your windows geometry to place more content isn't very clean, you should probably just increase your surface size

12:52 <notchoc> really? i found it much cleaner code-wise, especially for popup menus

13:15 <vyivel> notchoc: subsurfaces have different semantics from popups; a compositor might want to render popups on a different layer, offer a way to dismiss all popups, move/resize them to match constraints

13:21 <ifreund> notchoc: yeah, using anything but an xdg-popup to implement a popup menu is wrong and will break in edge cases

13:25 <Guest88> how can I use mouse to resize windows. I'm coming from awesomewm and I can use both keyboard and mouse to resize or move windows

13:25 <Guest88> in tile layout

13:28 <Guest99> yo, anyway to "allow_tearing"?

13:28 <Guest99> disable vsync?

13:30 <ifreund> Guest99: that feature hasn't yet landed in a release but is implemented on master branch

13:30 <Guest99> ok what would the option be?

13:31 <ifreund> you could compile from source and `riverctl allow-tearing enabled`

13:31 <ifreund> search for tearing in the riverctl man page for more info

13:31 <Guest99> ok thanks, i do have compiled from source.

13:32 <ifreund> Guest88: there's no way to interactively resize a tiled layout with the mouse currently

13:32 <Guest99> nice its working

13:33 <ifreund> there is work underway to make that and much more possible to implement outside of river in the layout generator/window manager: https://codeberg.org/river/river/pulls/1100

13:34 <notchoc> vyivel: apologies, i didn't mean an actual popup menu, it's more of a start menu

14:09 <leon-p> notchoc: a start-menu on a bar would best be implemented via xdg-popup. The name is a bit confusing indeed, but it's meant for things like transient menus

14:10 <leon-p> while a popup window would just be another xdg-toplevel

14:12 <leon-p> (a windows xp style panel with start menu would be pretty funny)

14:24 <The_Buhs> someone better write a wm that's just windows xp

14:26 <leon-p> i wonder how hard / annoying it would be to add that to my WIP drawing library. the rounded corners are a bit annoying, but otherwise it's just coloured rectangles with gradient borders which I already support

14:41 <notchoc> leon-p: i see, thanks for clarifying

17:36 <Guest72> hi

23:52 <jetpackjackson> Has anyone else experienced crashes sometimes when resizing programs too quickly? Ive had 3-4 crashes in the past 2-3 days, but I haven't been able to reliably trigger it since I haven't been able to sit down and really debug, its just I happen to be resizing when it crashes. I also havent gotten any debug logs yet, but I just wanted to see if anyone else might know what's up. Thanks in advance

23:52 <jetpackjackson> BTW I love river, its like the perfect blend of dwl style window management plus sway-like easy config