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<mcrod>
hi
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<bradd>
I'm trying to relocate a x86_64_REX_GOTPCRELX. it implies there is a GOT somewhere, but when I objdump, I see no such table.. any ideas? (or even better would be to cause 'ld -r x.o y.o -o z.o' to not add this *REX* relocations?
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<gog>
i cannot reproduce the authorization error
<gog>
but people have work to do
* vdamewood
authorizes gog a fishy
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* gog
verifies fishy and accepts
<vdamewood>
Good night
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<moon-child>
chomp verification fishy
<gog>
had to make sure the fishy had the trusted fishy module
<sham1>
Is the fishy signed
<sham1>
gog signing protocol
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<gog>
this was an unsigned fishy but it's ok it's going to be sandboxed
<moon-child>
unsigned long long fishy
<sakasama>
Unsupported. fishy only uses C89 for ideological reasons.
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<Ermine>
GOG_EFI_PROTICOL has been upgraded
<gog>
EFI_GOG_PROTOCOL.Pet()
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<Ermine>
EFI_GOG_PROTOCOL.Pet(& gog);
<moon-child>
that has approximately 1% the amount of boilerplate I would expect of an efi protocol
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<mcrod>
hi
<moon-child>
hi
<sham1>
I wonder what is more boilerplate-y: EFI or Vulkan
<moon-child>
it is definitely close
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<mcrod>
i find bgfx really interesting
<mcrod>
i wonder why people don't use it more
<mcrod>
I guess maybe because if you're being generic, you lose fine-tuning precision and AAA games care about that of course
<sortie>
Ermine: Did you do make BUILDIR=foo or BUILDDIR=foo make?
<Ermine>
sortie: first one
<gog>
42069420-4206-9420-6942069420
<sham1>
Nice
<sortie>
If you do make FOO=bar then FOO=bar no matter what, it overrides everything including reassignments and :=
<gog>
i took too many inhaler puffs and i feel all jiggly now
<Ermine>
Ah, so if I want to modify it, I need to use another variable. Thank you
<gog>
inhaler + caffeine = oops all adrenaline
<mcrod>
gog may I hug you
<gog>
yes
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* mcrod
hugs gog
* gog
hug
<gog>
yay i got two items done today
<gog>
weather is beautiful tho i should leave
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<zid>
gog: is that a CD key for furry island adventure
<gog>
you would know
<zid>
I.. wrote their keygen, or something?
<gog>
idk
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<zid>
I tried to day skip any% rta
<zid>
but someone woke me up at 2pm
<gog>
dang
<zid>
now I have.. 7:30 until honzuki, fml
<gog>
wanna do my job until then
<zid>
yea go on then
<gog>
sweet bye
<zid>
*types furiously on three keyboards*
<gog>
i only have two keyboards at my desk
<zid>
I am doing your job, not you
<gog>
sorry
<gog>
i'll let you do your thing
<zid>
Is it supposed to say "Database connection could not be established"
<zid>
I tried pinging it but I think it's... gone?
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<gog>
oops
<gog>
it's fine
<zid>
speaking of fines, we now have a few for international money-laundering.
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<gog>
just call bjarni ben he'll sort us out
<gog>
he knows all about getting away with finance crimes
<zid>
where do you think I got the payments from
<gog>
it's a setup
<gog>
you're never supposed to particpate in his crimes, just take advice
<gog>
good going
<gog>
you've made a rube of us
<gog>
a buffoon
<gog>
an absolute fool
<zid>
Anyway, time to go home, I'll take my hour of wages thanks
<gog>
:|
<gog>
you're fired
<zid>
ooh severence pay too
<gog>
yes
<gog>
a day and a month of pay
<zid>
when does the pizza place open
<zid>
I've not had pizza in months, too pricey
<zid>
tuesday, apparently, lame
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<zid>
gog: Is your wage better or worse than 2600 ISK for a month and a day?
<gog>
worse
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<zid>
hrm, I can't get a pizza then
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<jimbzy>
zid, nobody selling it by the slice?
<zid>
nobody ever
<zid>
that's a very very american thing
<jimbzy>
It's a smart business thing. :P
<zid>
not here it isn't
<zid>
It means you have to run a pizza through an oven to produce a single slice
<jimbzy>
Would you buy a slice?
<zid>
no because it wouldn't meet delivery minimums
<zid>
this is 2023, all food appears on your doorstep
<jimbzy>
I never said it could solve all of life's problems.
<zid>
pizza by the slice only works for busy high traffic places, I imagine
<gog>
we have a lot of pizza by the slice places
<gog>
also sbarro is big here
<gog>
for whatever reason
<zid>
local takeaways in very small business premises with just a kitchen and a counter and 2 parking spaces out front for delivery drivers to pick up orders is much more common here
<zid>
They work to capacity and more sales isn't a thing they can really do, they want to sell larger orders, they can't handle more
<zid>
the tables exist just for you to wait at, or collapse on while drunk
<jimbzy>
Yeah that's how a lot of places are here, too.
<zid>
They wouldn't have the room or real ability to sell things by the slice, there'd be a bunch of half-eaten pizzas needing space, and very few sales because it isn't really a concept here
<zid>
lot of waste
<zid>
and the ovens need to be busy busy
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<mjg>
it is totes a concept over here
<mjg>
they just have a bunch of pizzen ready
<mjg>
and people keep buying the slices
<mjg>
when visitingi n person that is
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<jimbzy>
mjg, Yeah, plus you call sell "variety pies" with a few slices of different kinds.
<jimbzy>
I could go for a massive wedge of Jersey-style right about now.
<jimbzy>
The kind of slice that overhangs the plate by about 2-3"
<zid>
if it ever catches on as a meme here I will let you know
<mjg>
i think makes sense in that people are totally down to eat some pizza
<mjg>
but they can't justify to themsleves eating the entire thing for lunch
<mjg>
een if split between 2-3 people
<mjg>
on the other hand they are totally going to grab a slice as a "snack"
<mjg>
's how pizza goes from party food to lunch
<jimbzy>
mjg, Most gas stations here have little ovens and sell it, too.
<mjg>
gas stations over here only do hot dogs
<mjg>
and really barebone ones at that
<jimbzy>
Hunts Brothers is popular, and I've seen a few places with Godfather's.
<jimbzy>
Casey's has decent pizza, too.
<gog>
sbarro
<jimbzy>
I haven't seen that in the midwest, gog.
<zid>
our petrol stations have.. subways inside
<gog>
there are a few
<mjg>
lol @ subway
<gog>
they used to be colocated with arby's a lot in the midwest
<gog>
idk about now
<jimbzy>
Right on.
<gog>
but yeah our petrol stations often have a subway ora bæjarins beztu pylsur
<gog>
(hot dog)
<mjg>
what 'bout STARBUCKS
<zid>
I am eating hot dog
<zid>
by which I mean random sausage in random bum
<gog>
we don't have starbucks, we have té og kaffí
<mjg>
liek no starbucks at all? it is plausible
<gog>
sosig
<jimbzy>
I get free pizza all the time while working. Free food in general.
<zid>
we have starbucks but I've been.. once?
<mjg>
from what i hear they are struggling big time in europe
<zid>
my friend gets costa a lot
<mjg>
skyhigh price for a mediocre product
<gog>
starbucks is bad coffee anyway
<mjg>
^^^
<zid>
It just seemed like... coffee, to me
<jimbzy>
When the Pepsi guy shows up to fix the fountain during dinner rush everyone is grateful. ;)
<zid>
I don't understand coffee snobbery *at all*
<mjg>
they used to be a fake cool kid thing for a time in .pl
<zid>
"ah yes, the bitter brown water" is as far as I go
<mjg>
why snobbery
<zid>
if you swapped it for slightly different tasting bitter brown water I woudln't notice or care
<jimbzy>
Sosig
<mjg>
godo for you mate
<mjg>
meanwhile i tolerate some coffee and really dislike other
<mjg>
it's not about some high brow shit either, in fact i like the meh stuff most :]
<jimbzy>
I've never had starbucks.
<mjg>
meh by snob criteria
<mjg>
jimbzy: keep it that way
<jimbzy>
I just can't bring myself to pay that much for coffee.
<zid>
What's important to me is that someone's labour was exploited
<zid>
the more exploitation the better it tastes
<mjg>
besides i hear they are not even that coffee oriented nowadays either
<mjg>
cookies, weird shakes with 1 metric ton of sugar
<gog>
not liking starbucks coffee is hardly snobbery
<mjg>
gog: it is a requirement in .eu innit
<gog>
i buy the cheapest whole beans and french press em
<jimbzy>
My favorite "to-go" is Dunkin Donuts. Dynamite in a cup.
<gog>
mjg: i've been a starbucks hater for longer than i've been in .eu
<gog>
also yes
<mjg>
gog: you fit right in
<gog>
dunkin dark roast
<mjg>
no wonder you moved :S
<jimbzy>
Yup haha
<zid>
see if you're doing the work yourself there's less explotation so it probably tastes worse
<jimbzy>
Taco Bell has some pretty good coffee, too.
<gog>
mjg: they kept telling me "if you don't like america you should leave" so i did
<jimbzy>
We fix those machines, too.
<mjg>
gog: lmao
<mjg>
screw america, for realzies
<zid>
I don't like america, can it leave?
<jimbzy>
We're not all bad.
<mjg>
poorer eu counties fetishize it to a large extent
<jimbzy>
Just like 80-90% of us.
<zid>
I didn't say americans
<gog>
you're good people jimbzy
<gog>
<3
<zid>
I don't like the concept of america, nor the execution
<jimbzy>
I try to be.
<mjg>
money laying on the ground man, you only have to pick it up
<jimbzy>
And ty.
<jimbzy>
I don't consider myself to be American. I have a hard enough time being human.
<gog>
same
<mjg>
are you al izard person?
<jimbzy>
Those lines on the map mean nothing to me.
<jimbzy>
I got into a debate with a coworker about this who's always saying, "God Bless Amurica!" I was like, do you think JC would really care about our geopolitical boundries? :p
<mjg>
mate you cross the north invisible line and suddenly all the people have heads which split in two
<mjg>
when they talk
<jimbzy>
mjg, I'm a meat popsicle.
<gog>
GIMME DA CASH
<GeDaMo>
Nice hat
<zid>
phrasiology like that only exists as part of the red scare propaganda anyway as far as I know
<gog>
istg i don't go one day in my life without at least one fifth element reference
<gog>
typically "CHICKEN! GOOD!"
<zid>
CASHHHSHSHHHS
<mjg>
huh
<mjg>
that'sa movie i had seen only once as a kid
<jimbzy>
Big bada boom?
<gog>
big boom big bada boom
<mjg>
i know mcclane is the co-lead
<GeDaMo>
Are we green?
<jimbzy>
Hah
<jimbzy>
Zzzzz
<jimbzy>
5th Element and Demolition Man.
<jimbzy>
I woke up around 3am this morning and ate half a head of lettuce... Wtf is wrong with me>
<zid>
You're turning into a rabbit
<jimbzy>
Seriously. I just cut the head in half, rinsed it off, and ate it.
<zid>
leporination drugs in the water
<zid>
makes a change from carcinizing I guess
<jimbzy>
I think I was a bit dehydrated from yesterday.
<mjg>
drink PRIME
<jimbzy>
Prime?
<gog>
GeDaMo: super green
<gog>
jimbzy: energy drink in .eu
<mjg>
disclaimer: don't think PRIME
<jimbzy>
Oh. Nah, I don't drink a lot of that stuff when I'm not working.
<jimbzy>
I have to sample it for my job, but I keep a jug of water in my van and drink water when I'm home.
<puck>
the refreshing taste of having a secondary gpu used as render offload,
<mjg>
jimbzy: fwiw i used to drink pepsi and mountian dew a lot as a young lad
<mjg>
jimbzy: ditched that shit
<mjg>
jimbzy: life is better
<mjg>
pro tip right here
<jimbzy>
Yeah. I'm actually thinking about leaving PepsiCo because it's just not good for us.
<jimbzy>
That, and the amount of energy our equipment wastes across the world.
<zid>
and you're sick of hearing "Is pepsi okay?" "No"
<jimbzy>
I mean, the ice-burn alone on our fountains is staggering just to keep a carbonated beverage cold when it dispenses.
* mjg
burps
<mjg>
quitting that shite cold turkey was very easy, but also kind of accidental
<mjg>
i bought a bottle and it was clearly stored next to detergents in the magazine
<jimbzy>
zid, Yeah. I didn't think it would bother me, but it does. The pay and benefits are great, but it just seems wrong morally.
<mjg>
it smelled like a fabric softener
<mjg>
and that was it :]
<zid>
I vote you get a job at dr pepper
<zid>
and supply me with free samples
<jimbzy>
They're the Bastards of the Soda Industry.
<sham1>
Dr. Pepper‽
<mjg>
the bastarda are prime mate
<jimbzy>
They're in bed with Pepsi and Coca-Cola hehe
<sham1>
zid: wait, you drink that crud?
<zid>
dr pepper is the one true liquid
<zid>
need a solvent? dr pepper. Need a drink? Dr pepper. Need to wash something? Dr Pepper
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<sham1>
I get annoyed when Pepsi wants to push things like cherry. I don't like Dr. Pepper, what makes you think I like cherry Pepsi Max, PepsiCo‽
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<zid>
I think all 'max' 'zero' and 'diet' formulations are absolutely fucking disgusting, personally
<jimbzy>
It's all Zero now.
<puck>
i got a free 150ml can of coke zero at the train station recently
<puck>
..it had 15 cents of bottle return on it!
<jimbzy>
I've spent a good deal of the last couple of months changing out Zero for Diet.
<zid>
did you throw it back at them
<jimbzy>
Then there's the whole, "Starrrry" crap.
<zid>
They keep cutting the sugar out of the regular shit too, fucking uk regs
<sham1>
I've gotten too used to the taste of Pepsi Max. Can't drink the "regular" because it's too sweet
<GeDaMo>
I like sugar :|
<jimbzy>
It's all HFCS here.
<sham1>
The sweet, sweet taste of aspartame
<zid>
I'm not an obese blob monster, but SOME people can't control themselves, so I can't have drinks that tastenice
<zid>
rude
<gog>
i like pepsi max lime
<gog>
coke zero lime when i can find it
<jimbzy>
Another bad part of my job is that I spend a lot of time in kitchens and it has turned me off to restaurants.
<gog>
but they don't stock it at the store i go to
<mjg>
jimbzy: dafaq you do as a dayjob
<jimbzy>
I'm a equipment tech for Pepsico
<mjg>
:[
<jimbzy>
I repair fountains, vending machines and visicoolers mostly.
<jimbzy>
We also repair coffee makers, tea urns and frozen beverage dispensers.
<mjg>
that is *not* service for humanity
<zid>
Disregard biological processes, ascend to the wired
<zid>
*transformer hum*
<jimbzy>
Yep.
<jimbzy>
I'm looking for something else as we speak.
<mjg>
reminds me of a video i watched about agencies monetizing tiktok content
<mjg>
woman roughly outlines how they help creators get views and sponsorship 'n shit
<jimbzy>
I mean, I love working on the machinery, but it bothers me what it's doing to our society.
<mjg>
but also says she does not let her kids watch any of this :D
<jimbzy>
Vending machines are my favorite.
<gog>
jimbzy: would you like a job in the exciting tourism industry of iceland
<jimbzy>
Not really. I'm kinda sick of dealing with people.
<gog>
fair
<mjg>
is this what you do gogz
<gog>
this time of year you'd be dealing with americans who are confused as to why they can't pay in dollars
<jimbzy>
My machines don't give me any crap ;)
<mjg>
they probably give you spare change
<gog>
mjg: yes
<gog>
but thankfully i don't do customer service anymore
<mjg>
loller
<jimbzy>
mjg, Talking about the tourists or the vending machines?
<mjg>
both
<jimbzy>
Vendors, no. Everything is recorded and uploaded electronically to corporate. They know how much money is in the machine, how much product, and how many sales between stocking.
<jimbzy>
If it doesn't add up, you get fired.
<jimbzy>
I even have to leave a not in the money box when I do test vends using coins and bills from the machine.
<jimbzy>
note
<gog>
heh
<gog>
we had an oops with one of our payment processors and we're missing some money but nobody is gonna get fired about it
<zid>
"Thanks for the drinks, moron. Bwahahaha. Signed, the Pepsi Plunderer."
<gog>
also this oops was not my fault
<gog>
i wasn't anywhere near the code that caused it
<jimbzy>
zid, You should see what people will do to a vending machine to try and rob them.
<sham1>
How do I deal with the situation where a bottle gets stuck in a machine
<zid>
I'd just pick the lock, they always looked really shabby
<jimbzy>
I mean, it's not a terrible idea because they usually have around $100 in change and the bill magazines can hold up to $200.
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<jimbzy>
sham1, Gotta let the proprietor know, and then they have to settle with their delivery driver.
<zid>
oh no I'm not a thief though
<zid>
i'd just grab the stuck thing
<sham1>
I've tended to just buy a second bottle which has managed to get the bottle down
<sham1>
And then I've had two things
<jimbzy>
zid, Most of the new ones have electronic locks that require a fob.
<zid>
neat
<zid>
all the ones I've ever seen a tech at just opened with a cheap tubuluar lock
<zid>
I've not messed with a vending machine in years and years though
<jimbzy>
Those are easier.
<jimbzy>
I've had to drill a few because the customer lost their key.
<jimbzy>
I have a set of keys for all our managed ones, but the customer-managed ones have their own keys.
<mjg>
ther eis no magic service key?
<jimbzy>
And by "set of keys" I mean a huge jailer-style ring.
<mjg>
and is it problematic to pick these suckers anyway?
<jimbzy>
The cylinder keys are damn near impossible, and it's easier just to drill and replace.
<jimbzy>
The old stackers usually have a puck-style pad lock.
<gog>
lockpicking lawyer can do it
<zid>
it's actually really really easy to pick a tubulur lock with a tubular lockpick
<zid>
you literally just wiggle it
<zid>
and it makes its own key
<jimbzy>
Not for our locks.
<zid>
they're not magic
<jimbzy>
I can't explain exactly why (trade secret), but they're different than most of the ones on the market.
<jimbzy>
I know what you're saying, though.
<jimbzy>
The first guy I ever worked for was a locksmith before he started his own business. He gave me all his stuff and I had duplicators, combination lock serial-code books and all that stuff.
<zid>
UNIQUE ELEVATING AND RORATING TUMBLE PIN SYSTEM IS VIRTUALLY PICK PROOF
<zid>
They all say that :P
<jimbzy>
Yeah, there ain't nothing fool proof.
<gog>
meow
<jimbzy>
Locks keep the honest thieves out. ;)
<gog>
i don't own anything particularly valuable anyway
<zid>
oh that's cute, the pins have little notches cut into them
<zid>
so you have to rotate the pin correctly too
<zid>
(amazing what you can find with 2 mins of google searching)
<jimbzy>
Didn't hear it from me. ;)
<gog>
zid: yeah picking tube-pin locks you actually have to pick them n+1 times where n is the pin count
<jimbzy>
gog, Right? I feel sorry for the poor SOB that burgles my place.
<gog>
or you could use a bumping device but serrated and spool pins are also usable in them and will resist being bumped
<zid>
I bet you could still rake this open, it'd just take a while
<jimbzy>
That's the point. Just make it difficult enough to deter your average thief.
<zid>
haha, this guy is saying that if makes rakes for them out of credit cards
<zid>
they tend to just be rotated correctly anyway because of the last time they were opened
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<jimbzy>
Usually they'll back up to them with a truck and haul them to a remote area where they open them up.
<zid>
so he just very carefully files the credit card so that the pins don't spin
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<sortie>
Ah the glamorous osdev life where you merge the graphical user interface and then beautiful popstars run into your arms
<sham1>
Poptarts?
<GeDaMo>
Poptarts with legs? :|
<sortie>
Yes first you port the poptart nyan cat and then the next step is to make the popstars go wild
<sortie>
Just swap the two letters and boom universe exploit
<heat>
does dua lipa like flamegraphs
<zid>
is dua lipa that porn star
<heat>
no
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<sham1>
aw
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<heat>
boost is unironically the worst part of C++
* Ermine
old fart mode on
<mcrod>
frankly, if I was in a hurry to ship something
<mcrod>
if I had to pull boost, I would vomit, but I would
<Ermine>
C++ is unironically the worst part of C++
<mcrod>
I would pull whatever I could to get the job done
<mcrod>
because money
* Ermine
old fart mode off
<heat>
zid: kernel32.dll shit goes into ntdll.dll right?
<sham1>
Now, I'm only a hobbyist when it comes to C++ but there have been times where I've needed Boost and I've just reimplemented whatever I've needed, like intrusive lists, because I don't want to include boost in the project. I don't want to increase the compile times by 5 billion years
<heat>
like OpenFile calls NtOpenFile
<mcrod>
i've heard of intrusive stuff
<mcrod>
last time I saw that it was reading over EASTL
<mcrod>
give me the rundown
<Ermine>
heat: Nt* apis are not considered stable
<heat>
struct A {list_node node; int data;}
<Ermine>
(afaik)
<heat>
doesn't matter
<sham1>
So basically, instead of the container "owning" the data and managing it, the data itself knows it's a part of a chain
<heat>
you'll still call them indirectly
<mcrod>
ah
<heat>
anything non-intrusive sucks anyway
<sham1>
Like heat just showed. In some sense the data itself manages its own membership in the list
<sham1>
The last thing I did with it was a cross-thread event queue, multiple-producer single-consumer
<sham1>
And having the events be in an intrusive list made it quite nice
<sham1>
And yeah, didn't want Boost just for that, since I had my own event loop and such as well
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<gog>
when the intrusive lists kick in
<sham1>
When the boost finally kicks in
<heat>
extrusive shit just ends up with stereotypically shit allocation patterns
<heat>
many allocations, all of them small
<sham1>
This is why you collect your garbage
<heat>
a well known C++ stereotype
* gog
collects garbage
* heat
gets collected
<gog>
no
<gog>
you are not garbage
<gog>
stop that
<heat>
no
<gog>
no
<heat>
make me
<sham1>
I have a reference on you
<gog>
heat
<gog>
stop
<sham1>
Can't be collected
<heat>
gog
<heat>
continue
<gog>
not yet but i hope so
<mcrod>
god DAMMIT
<heat>
>Callers of ZwCreateFile must be running at IRQL = PASSIVE_LEVEL.
<mcrod>
why the fuck is lld not in PATH on macos using homebrew
<heat>
IRQL = SUBMISSIVE_LEVEL when??
<mcrod>
fuck! fuck fuck!
<gog>
mcrod just put it in yoru path it's fine
<gog>
heat: IRQL = BREEDABLE_LEVEL
<mcrod>
it's just a bit annoying
<gog>
you're doing osdev
<gog>
everything about osdev is annoying and a waste of time
<mjg>
IRQL = NEXT_LEVEL
<mjg>
osdev is shite, speedrunning dead games is where it's at
<mcrod>
no I'm not doing osdev
<mcrod>
not yet
<mjg>
if it ends with dev, it sucks
<gog>
pessimal
<mcrod>
I've had the nasty habit of saying what I'm doing and not finishing it, mentally equating talking about it to finishing it
<mcrod>
so I won't say what it is
<mcrod>
you understand
<mcrod>
right? right??
<gog>
then i'm doing the dishes right now
<gog>
(i'm not)
<mcrod>
hah
<gog>
i also just painted my nails
<gog>
so i'm even less doing them
<heat>
mjg lets go come play csgo
<mjg>
somunds like a PESSIMAL rder?
<heat>
it's in your eastern european genes
<mjg>
did you just call me a bitch
<zid>
RASH B NO STOP CYKA
<mjg>
real men from the eastern europe play quek
<heat>
if you started playing cs some years ago you'd be OPTIMAL
<zid>
Those are the lyrics to CS
<sham1>
zid: gib aqp
<sham1>
Awp
<zid>
ay vee pee
<heat>
PIZDA NAHUI
<mjg>
cs is for people who have difficulty grasping SPEED
<heat>
KURWA MAC
<mjg>
idi na hui
<zid>
MAC-10?
<sham1>
It doesn't have rocket jumps
<heat>
message authentication code
<sham1>
0/10
<gog>
osdev
<heat>
sham1: aktushally it does have rocket jumps-ish in danger zone
<bslsk05>
'Some More Frags by Twister Quake Live 60fps' by LiveQL (00:05:07)
<zid>
quake live 1v1s are cool as fuck to watch
<zid>
I love that rapha annotated quakecon win
<heat>
mjg wtf are you asking
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<mjg>
zid: he has more
<mjg>
heat: what the strategy is in the game
<mjg>
zid: i think he has an archived commentary on twitch
<heat>
mjg: depends on the map mate
<mjg>
zid: also i think you mean iem, not quekcon ;)
<heat>
but the general gist of it is CTs go 2b 2a 1 mid, Ts usually either play the map ("play for picks", aka attempt to kill someone to cause an imbalance and then the game gets way deeper) or rush a site (RUSH B CYKAAAAAAAA)
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<heat>
and ofc you have utility that lets you get into sites or flush people out of positions, it's also pretty important
<mjg>
so when you rush b, do you even bunny hop?
<zid>
If you play pugs it will 100% be 'rush x no stop' where x is A or B at some probability :p
<mjg>
is there anything special baout b?
<heat>
realistically in csgo you can only do like 2-3 bunnyhops
<mjg>
i had seen it memed big time
<heat>
B tends to be the simpler, rushier site
<heat>
whereas A has a lot more options and is a lot more complex
<heat>
common maps have B as a single entrance single exit kind of thing
<heat>
ofc a whole other axis of strategy revolves around the economy, cuz you need the moneyz 2 buy da gunz
<sham1>
> implying you see a map other than de_dust2
<zid>
specifically: you can bhop as much as you like, but without the bhop server settings you won't gain speed from it reliably
<sham1>
Although Valve has also changed dust2 which is HERESY
<zid>
dust2 is a shit map
<heat>
sham1 dust2 is old news
<heat>
it's all mirage nowadays
<zid>
yea I played most of my cs on mirage
<heat>
which i much prefer
<sham1>
Yeah, because they changed dust2
<zid>
dust2 is shit
<sham1>
Always has been
<mjg>
is cs played competitively with bhops?
<heat>
no
<mjg>
:sadface:
<sham1>
Sadly no. No speed allowed
<heat>
like once in a blue moon you see someone do a bhop to get a bit more speed
<zid>
I could bhop semi-reliably on servers last time I played
<mjg>
i guess bhops don't let you camp faster
<mjg>
:A
<zid>
many years ago
<heat>
but it's not a phoon too much for zlock kind of thing
<zid>
but you wouldn't infinitely gain speed, because the frame window got smaller and smaller the faster you went
<zid>
so you could do like, avg 200 speed instead of avg 180 speed or whatever, over a big string of hops
<zid>
because you'd get to 220 then drop back to 180 a bunch
<sham1>
The last time I played CS:GO was back when it was still pay-to-play
<heat>
if you get 2 bhops in a row and that actually gets you to gain more speed you can get to the contact point faster, which is good, particularly as an awper
<zid>
the bhop servers just make it so you have a bunch of frames off any jump to maintain a bhop
<heat>
but bhop, strafing etc isn't as good as it seems because you go around the place a whole lot more instead of going in a straight line at a stable 250u/s
<zid>
or hold space to autohop
<sham1>
Well, I haven't played it other than for surf maps
<heat>
cringe
<heat>
pessimal use of your csgo playtime
<mjg>
OH
<sham1>
Wot? Surf maps are great
<zid>
i got to double ak or something from never having played cs before ever
<mjg>
have you heard what defrag is
<zid>
which was a good bit of fun
<heat>
surf is good, but the actual game is better
<mjg>
i had seen surfing videos, looks fun
<zid>
but I hated literally everybody I ever played with, so I never bothered to play with a team or learn how to play with one
<zid>
comp cs v. different
<mjg>
dude it is the fundamental law of the universe
<mjg>
that your teammates suck
<zid>
longjump is fucking impossible btw
<zid>
anyone who can do that shit is a wizard
<sham1>
Can't really play the real game. Because my answer to the question "do you speak Russian" is "no"
<mjg>
sham1: "blyat"
<mjg>
"govno karta"
<mjg>
there
<mjg>
you got conversational russian
<sham1>
Same with Dota, which is also why I never got into that either
<heat>
pizdec
<zid>
heat what is your longjump record
<mcrod>
i was a big league of legends player for a while on the moba train
<mcrod>
what a waste of time
<heat>
idk i did it like once some 6 years ago
<sham1>
I assume the latter means something like "shit map"
<zid>
I mean, same
<zid>
I was just going to add 5 to what you said
<gog>
hi
<gog>
i'm osdev
<sham1>
hi
<zid>
I am gog
<sham1>
Osdev is a gaming channel now
<heat>
i wasn't very good at surfing cuz i don't have a fast sens and i didn't want to change it for surf specifically
<sham1>
Port CS:GO to Onyx when
<mcrod>
i've never played csgo
<heat>
i'll need wine and a linux personality
<zid>
yea surf I can do as long as the map isn't a big ring with a constant turn factor :P
<mcrod>
I refuse
<zid>
I can do straight lines with wiggles
<mcrod>
i don't want to hear cyka blyat every 2 seconds
<sham1>
Yeah
<heat>
that's super overblown
<zid>
(it's not)
<heat>
it is
<gog>
cyka blyat
<zid>
(90% of my teammates were russian when I played_)
<mcrod>
i'm older than you. i've seen things you wouldn't believe.
<zid>
)))
<heat>
and as soon as you get friends to queue with you, you'll never have any teammate issues
* mcrod
ages rapidly
<mjg>
i had seen a russian speaking english
<mjg>
what now
<mcrod>
attack ships off the shoulder of orion...
<mjg>
IN A GAME
<mcrod>
i watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the tannhauser gate
<mcrod>
all those moments will be lost in time like... tears... in rain.
<mjg>
here is the real q: do androids dream of electric sheep?
<sham1>
Run with some blades
<sham1>
That might help
<heat>
no, they dream of iOS
<mjg>
its a fucking book genz, not that i recommend it
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<mjg>
on this opsitive note i'm heading off
<mjg>
cheerz
<sham1>
Blade runner really is a strange name for that adaptation
<heat>
finally, a positive note
<zid>
Welsh androids dream of fucking sheep
<bnchs>
islamic androids kill sheeps
<mcrod>
i'm actually kinda impressed at how fast my mac can build clang
<zid>
how fast
<mcrod>
without LTO, about 20-25 minutes
<zid>
notbadnotbad
<mcrod>
it was enough time for me to beat elden ring just now
<heat>
ok now do it with ds1
<zid>
or sekiro
<mcrod>
no ds1 is pain and I've never finished it
<zid>
I like sekiro a lot
<mcrod>
I hate ds1
<zid>
people seem to have skipped out on it a lot
<mcrod>
ds2, ds3, elden ring, all fine
<heat>
ds1 vs llvm speedrun
<zid>
but sekiro is really really good
<zid>
I can get to anno london in an hour I bet
<zid>
quicker if I do senn's skip ofc
<heat>
WR is like 20-something minutes for ANY% warp right?
<zid>
20:50
<heat>
great!
<zid>
19:20 for remastered
<heat>
if you do it on your mac you can even hog a core and make LLVM compile slower!
<mcrod>
also, if any of you play elden ring
<zid>
I don't own an expensive enough graphics card
<zid>
to own elden ring
<zid>
I'll just play ds1 and sekiro forever and ever
<mcrod>
i have a 3090ti@4K and I can't turn on ray tracing without stalls
<heat>
oh look at you
<zid>
ER runs like ass on PC is all I know
<heat>
mr fancy gpu
<mcrod>
oh shut up heat
<mcrod>
:(
<heat>
i have a fucked up laptop from 2018
<zid>
needs like a 1080 ti visually but needs a 4090 realistically
<heat>
1v1 me
<zid>
noww is 37:43, dang
<zid>
and 36:21 for remaster
<zid>
all bosses sat at 1:00:34, gutted
<zid>
Randomly got recommended a video of a mathemagician doing an american math SAT, he keeps busting out the quadratic formula to solve them. Bro, it's multiple choice, just plug the value in :p
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<gog>
hi
<bnchs>
hi gog
<gog>
hi osdev
<zid>
hog
* vdamewood
gives gog a fishy
<jimbzy>
That's pretty funny about the quadratic equations, zid.
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