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<freemangordon>
Wizzup: it seems I am missing the point, all the time I was trying to find a way to *start* group chat, while you look for a way to somehow receive message for chats/rooms/groups the user has not joined to or somesuch
<freemangordon>
so, could you please explain the usecase (in terms of IRC, for example)
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: is not about groups that the user hasn't joined
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: but like, in xmpp, you are persistently in channels
<Wizzup>
as in slack
<Wizzup>
and others protocols
<Wizzup>
so you need to be able to get the list of channels / rooms you're in
<freemangordon>
hmm
<Wizzup>
I think telepathy does send some of this info over, like your contacts, buddies, etc
<freemangordon>
"An additional .client file is used by the Channel Dispatcher to look up properties such as what interfaces the client supports and what channels its interested in (see Section 4.1.2 ― .client File below). "
<Wizzup>
ah.. damn. ok
<freemangordon>
*what channels its interested in*
<freemangordon>
:)
<Wizzup>
I am not sure if this will do the trick but it's definitely something missing
<Wizzup>
I guess we will also need this for sphone later then, for the tp module
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: this is needed to send messages
<Wizzup>
afaik
<freemangordon>
hmm
<freemangordon>
I am not sure this is the case, but well, will see when we get to it
<Wizzup>
not sure why it is overkill, the accountmanager makes them anyway
<Wizzup>
yeah
<freemangordon>
going afk, lunch
<Wizzup>
*nod*
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<Wizzup>
well, I do have my own jabber server working fine with fremantle, even for calls and history fetching, so that's nice
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<buZz>
does jabber also do videocalls?
<buZz>
oh, i guess it does
<buZz>
nice
<sixwheeledbeast>
xmpp can support voice and video
<Wizzup>
yeah they work on fremantle
<buZz>
very nice
<buZz>
fremantle on d4? :D :D :D
<buZz>
hehe
<Wizzup>
no, n900
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<buZz>
alright
<Wizzup>
still struggling with telepathy and channels
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<bencoh>
IM with Conversation felt like nightmare to me, but ... ymmv
<bencoh>
I mean, group chat
<Wizzup>
what parts in particular?
<bencoh>
mostly the fact that closing a chat window meant leaving the group
<bencoh>
(or channel)
<Wizzup>
right
<bencoh>
(afair at least)
<buZz>
i noticed conversation now can even open multiple windows of the same chat, kinda annoying :P
<buZz>
also it doesnt give full history, vs sphone's sms history
<Wizzup>
buZz: I haven't seen it open multiple windows of the same chat
<Wizzup>
where does this happen?
<Wizzup>
maybe this is a qt bug where the windows do not stack
<Wizzup>
in any case it's not that important if the tp stuff doesn't work the way it should ;)
<buZz>
Wizzup: just tap it a bunch of times
<buZz>
only 1 window has arrow back, the others have the close X, on topright
<dsc_>
conversations is still in development
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<bencoh>
(I was referring to fremantle's Conversations, btw, not leste's one)
<sixwheeledbeast>
the leaving groups on close was obvious with the IRC plugin.
<buZz>
ah
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<_uvos_>
Wizzup: log still dosent work
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<bencoh>
sixwheeledbeast: indeed
<Wizzup>
_uvos_: ah shit
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<Wizzup>
lel: ping
<Wizzup>
test
<sixwheeledbeast>
I think it was only the plugins affected tho, SMS or IM isn't a issue to close?
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<Wizzup>
lel: ping2
<Wizzup>
ok
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<DavidTalmage>
Is Maemo Leste 20220618 known to work on the N900? When mine tries to boot from it (on an SD card), it thinks for a little while then it presents the U-Boot menu.
<DavidTalmage>
Is there a way to turn on the display backlight in U-Boot?
<Wizzup>
did you select to boot it from the uboot menu?
<Wizzup>
the display backlight should be on, unless you started the n900 by plugging in the usb cable
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<DavidTalmage>
Yes, I selected the boot from SD option in the uboot menu.
<DavidTalmage>
I started the N900 by plugging in the USB cable. Thanks for the clue!
<DavidTalmage>
I think maybe I see a problem. On the dim display after first boot, it says "unable to read bootmenu.cf" or something like that.
<Wizzup>
latest image you say?
<DavidTalmage>
yes. I haven't tried other images.
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon: so even with empathy it (1) doesn't open existing chat rooms (2) doesn't know about existing chat rooms unless I add them
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<Wizzup>
if I join the channel manually through TP then it does work it looks like
<DavidTalmage>
@Wizzup I just now tried 20220611. It won't boot, either. The N900 keeps going back to the U-Boo menu
<DavidTalmage>
U-Boot
<DavidTalmage>
It's as if U-Boot doesn't know where to look for the boot partitiion
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: well it worked once in empathy
<Wizzup>
DavidTalmage: weird... I can try tomorrow on my n900
<DavidTalmage>
Thanks.
<DavidTalmage>
Is there a u-boot command I can type to make the N900 boot from the sd card?
<Wizzup>
'run sdboot'
<Wizzup>
DavidTalmage: how did you dd the image, btw?
<DavidTalmage>
the screen went black for a minute. Then it rebooted. Now I see the u-boot menu again.
<Wizzup>
DavidTalmage: how did you copy the image to the sd card?
<Wizzup>
bencoh: so I imagine this behaviour (leaving chat upon closing window) is likely related to what I am seeing
<Wizzup>
bencoh: I am not even sure if TP supports persistently joining rooms
<Wizzup>
which is kind of weird since xmpp definitely does
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<Wizzup>
bencoh: looks like empathy is the same
<Wizzup>
close window == lose chat
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<Wizzup>
bencoh: so I suppose we'd have to keep track of channels ourselves
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<Wizzup>
freemangordon:
<Wizzup>
21:12 -!- wizzupvm [~user@78-3-105-124.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined ##maemotest
<Wizzup>
21:12 < wizzupvm> Maemo conversations says hi
<Wizzup>
that's something :)
<Wizzup>
dsc_: ^^
<dsc_>
pretty cool
<dsc_>
but does it blend
<Wizzup>
there's a lot more to do for sure, but it's something
<dsc_>
chatgroups imply a whole range of features, incl. keeping channel roster up2date (people leaving, entering), being able to PM specific people inside a groupchat, you yourself can join/leave specific groups, and this is all multi-protocol
<Wizzup>
the roster you can also query, but yeah there are signals for it
<Wizzup>
join/leave is functional it seems, just doesn't work the way I thought it would
<dsc_>
this has implications for the amount of front-end work required
<sicelo>
DavidTalmage: tried a different image then?
<DavidTalmage>
Yes. Same result.
<DavidTalmage>
I wonder if there is something wrong with my u-boot
<sicelo>
Weird. I'll see if I can find my spare SD card and test.
<sicelo>
I doubt it's u-boot. You can still boot Fremantle with it (u-boot)?
<DavidTalmage>
No, I can't.
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<sice|o>
that's a problem. are you able to find out why you can't boot Fremantle with u-boot?
<sice|o>
https://leste.maemo.org/Nokia_N900#Quick .. try steps 1-4 from that link. that *should* get you to a booted Maemo Leste environment, unless there are other issues
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<DavidTalmage>
so far, no.
<DavidTalmage>
The n900 keeps rebooting into u-boot.
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<sice|o>
even using that link, i.e. via 0xFFFF?
<DavidTalmage>
yes
<DavidTalmage>
dmesg tells me that it found the N900.
<sice|o>
then your SD card is suspect. perhaps try a different SD card
<DavidTalmage>
I've tried two different sd cards.
<DavidTalmage>
What about the battery?
<DavidTalmage>
Must the n900 have a working battery?
<DavidTalmage>
I don't think the one it has is accepting a charge any more.
<sice|o>
yes, you do need it :-)
<sice|o>
keep the USB connected ... might be enough to supply power to the device
<DavidTalmage>
I'm going to order a new battery right now.
<DavidTalmage>
I'll return with the results. It may be a few days.
<Wizzup>
maybe leave the battery to charge over night to a wall charger
<DavidTalmage>
Thank you @Wizzup and @sice|o for helping me.
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<bencoh>
Wizzup: yeah, although I don't really know what this implies with telepathy
<Wizzup>
I think it'll still be manageable
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: ok yeah so there's some more handleChannels stuff to be done
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: but I made some progress at least
<Wizzup>
freemangordon: amongst other things empathy calls tp_channel_join_async
<Wizzup>
I can't find that yet in telepathyqt
<Wizzup>
hm, it seems to call addmembers on the channel to add itself