<rafael2k>
Wizzup: about X crashes, latest was my daugher playing madbomber
<rafael2k>
Wizzup: there are still some small glitches... but waaay better than in the beginning of the year
<Wizzup>
yeah, that is the lima fixes fmg and I did
<rafael2k>
indeed, it is pretty much working, I never looked back to "NoAccel" in xorg.conf
<rafael2k>
: )
<rafael2k>
much more stable than any other distro tbh
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<Wizzup>
I haven't tried others, so idk tbh
<Wizzup>
we need sphone and conversations
<Wizzup>
(to be ready enough)
<Wizzup>
then it'll be grand
<rafael2k>
I just miss the "+" key in sphone
<rafael2k>
converstions with vkb would be nice too
<Wizzup>
yup yup
<Wizzup>
both of that is known for sure :)
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<rafael2k>
cool
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<Wizzup>
rafael2k: I think it mostly passed
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<rafael2k>
yay!
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<norayr>
well i can believe 'they' would like to drop support for xorg, because that's a redhat policy - to force everyone to use what they want - systemd or wayland.
<norayr>
so if they realize the customers are ok with it they'll do that.
<norayr>
they still cannot get rid of perl, btw, because many customers depend on it.
<norayr>
but to me, i don't care at all if gtk5 drops xorg support.
<norayr>
if it drops, then i'll not use gtk5, that's all.
<norayr>
and gtk will become less portable. it'll be linux only toolkit.
<norayr>
if that's what they want - that is okay.
<norayr>
not even linux only. linux some-distros only.
<Wizzup>
*shrug* I'd be happy with wayland if it didn't involve so much porting work
<norayr>
i don't like when things are imposed like that. so i start doing the opposite.
<norayr>
i have -wayland flag in my gentoo.
<norayr>
which means nothing will ever bring or link to wayland.
<norayr>
if something really requires it, it won't work.
<norayr>
qt would like to stay more portable, many qt customers have software that should run on other unixes than redhat driven linux.
<norayr>
so such a move would only make gtk less competitive.
<Wizzup>
well the gnome folks have a history of doing whatever they want
<Wizzup>
in any case, it's not going to affect us for many, many years
<norayr>
yes, so they might do. but i am personally not worried about it.
<Daanct12>
gtk3 apps would look weird with maemo ui :)
<Wizzup>
we don't have a gtk3 theme yet
<norayr>
i use evince
<norayr>
because the pdf reader sometimes crashes.
<norayr>
and it's ok.
<norayr>
i mean it is gtk3
<norayr>
i mean our maemo pdf reader crashes
<Daanct12>
i'd be concerned if the maemo pdf reader is vulnerable to exploits
<norayr>
on the other hand, having no community also makes you less desired target for the attack.
<norayr>
someone just found a bug in my code. i am so happy. we just need more eyes and more community.
<Daanct12>
true
<Wizzup>
you can update it to the latest xpdf if you're up for it
<Daanct12>
we're like a small footprint in the linux mobile community :P
<norayr>
also i think many exploits won't work on my system just because they use features i didn't enable while building it.
<norayr>
i try to not enable any feature in my gentoo system which i don't really need.
<norayr>
so same program on my system usually is linked to much less libraries than on any linux.
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<norayr>
or even bsd
<uvos__>
+ works in sphone
<uvos__>
you longpress 0
<uvos__>
btw 00 and + are identical
<uvos__>
(even in us the only contry that dosent use 00 natviely)
<uvos__>
because ofono converts 00 to whatever the international dialing code is
<uvos__>
just like +
<rafael2k>
uvos__: thanks, indeed, holding "0" makes the +!
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<rafael2k>
just installed conversations
<rafael2k>
So SMS "official
<rafael2k>
" UI will be conversations, right?
<bencoh>
I guess yeah
<buZz>
atm the 'sphone sms history' is more usuable though
<bencoh>
regarding pdf, I have a feeling we'll leverage mupdf at some point
<rafael2k>
I was using sphone sms indeed, it works fine
<buZz>
conversations thusfar cant send messages
<Wizzup>
the devel branch does
<Wizzup>
buZz: probably @ mupdf
<Wizzup>
errr bencoh
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<uvos__>
sphone sms history will continue to be maintained however
<uvos__>
since i want to use sphone as a full stack outside of maemo
<uvos__>
(it has not mameo depends)
<uvos__>
*no
<uvos__>
but yes ui on leste will be converations at some point
<rafael2k>
cool
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<buZz>
is there a way to see 'missed calls' from sphone?
<buZz>
someone called my d4 this morning, no clue who, didnt recognize the number
<Wizzup>
sphone writes the entries slightly wrong in the rtcom db, but you should be able to find it using its ui
<buZz>
the sphone dailer UI ? its got 'recent' as a button , but only shows actual calls i think?
<uvos__>
buZz: should show missed
<buZz>
where?
<uvos__>
in recent
<uvos__>
its really call history
<uvos__>
as the window is also called
<buZz>
oh ok, guess it doesnt help that its written with 01-01-1970
<uvos__>
should be clearer
<uvos__>
it should not be
<uvos__>
(works here)
<uvos__>
wrt date
<buZz>
its correct here -sometimes- but also very weird, MM-DD-YYYY for instance
<uvos__>
hm yeah
<uvos__>
it is us format
<uvos__>
wierd
<buZz>
also doesnt display name for contacts often, replaces it with <unkown> ( your typo i guess? :) )
<uvos__>
maybe soemting with locale
<uvos__>
it looks up contacts in evolution
<uvos__>
if you have working address book in evolution it works fine
<uvos__>
my typo yes
<uvos__>
you know me :P
<uvos__>
the evolution adress book also needs to be marked as default btw
<buZz>
well, the -same- numbers are sometimes using the name in the normal maemo contacts
<uvos__>
or you have to tell sphone what book to use
<buZz>
but most their entries turn into <unkown>
<uvos__>
hmm
<uvos__>
works fine here, will have to investigate that
<uvos__>
i think abook used the evultion addressbook wrong
<uvos__>
maybe still dose
<uvos__>
not sure
<buZz>
well, its very inconsistent :) same @ sphone sms history
<uvos__>
well for one thing
<uvos__>
btw
<uvos__>
sms history remembers the look up when the event happend
<uvos__>
so if you change/add the contact it wont change the names for old events
<buZz>
so maybe theres just a race condition?
<uvos__>
no
<uvos__>
its not racy
<buZz>
where -sometimes- the sphone tools can get the correct name
<buZz>
but -sometimes- it does not
<uvos__>
at least not that i know
<buZz>
well, maybe start using maemo to test? :P
<uvos__>
i do use maemo
<uvos__>
maybe log sphone verbosly
<buZz>
ah , thought you were still running your own WM etc
<uvos__>
i do that too
<buZz>
does sphone have a log?
<uvos__>
see if it complains about somehing
<buZz>
i didnt see one in /var/log or /var/log/maemo
<uvos__>
buZz: just runn it with -v -v in console
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<rafael2k>
btw, new kernel on the PP, all good
<rafael2k>
Linux devuan-pinephone 5.15.50 #1 SMP Mon Jul 4 07:51:00 UTC 2022 aarch64 GNU/Linux
<bencoh>
I'm not certain building/using opera 12.15 is relevant nowadays anyway
<bencoh>
unless you really want every other site to just break in some way
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<buZz>
meh, livewallpaper removed all my desktop widgets :(
<buZz>
eh, no actually they are still there but invisible O_o
<buZz>
eh wtf, 'add widget' brings them back one by one, lol
<Wizzup>
does it work on the d4?
<Wizzup>
I think norayr said it didn't work
<buZz>
it kinda works? but seems to render to n900 size
<buZz>
only the default setting seems to work though? all others seem to glitch out
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<rafael2k>
ufff, the Bayer converter in libcamera has problems indeed indeed
<rafael2k>
"I half recall that the RAW8 debayering shader implementation in qcam
<rafael2k>
still had issues, it may not have been fully debugged. Patches would be
<rafael2k>
welcome "
<rafael2k>
<- from one of the devs...
<rafael2k>
at least I'm managing to pinpoint the issue