<midfavila>
patriarchal norms fuck over men too lol
<midfavila>
just in a different way
<kris_>
my message got way too delayed there
<midfavila>
oh
<midfavila>
fair
<kris_>
and yeah it absolutely does
<midfavila>
>muh 800 megabits
<kris_>
>muh vps on the other side of the planet hosting my bouncer
<kris_>
because I don't want stuff on US soil
<midfavila>
>muh muh
<kris_>
fr
<midfavila>
but yeah it's not even like he's a quiet guy he's just absolutely bottling shit up
<midfavila>
when he has to hang around the office he'll follow me around like a little puppy and tell me all about his bibeo bames
<midfavila>
for like hours
<kris_>
idk this "death of masculinity" shit everyone's complaining about seems like a positive to mw
<midfavila>
it absolutely is
<kris_>
s/me/me
<midfavila>
smeme
<kris_>
MW/me
<kris_>
fucking phone keyboard
<midfavila>
lol imagine phoneposting
<midfavila>
:3c
<kris_>
and yeah idk I guess all you can do is make sure he knows he can chat if he wants
<midfavila>
mmhr
<midfavila>
i just wish the boss would cut him some slack
<midfavila>
at least until shit gets figured out
<midfavila>
it's also bullshit to expect anyone to bust their ass working full time when they make barely above minimum wage and don't have any benefits >.>;
<midfavila>
shit it's barely enough to convince me to show up and my job is easy as hell
<kris_>
it is but I feel like we're at the point where you have to bust your ass to have the privilege of having a job at all
<kris_>
which fucking sucks because it's degrading as hell
<midfavila>
he has to go out of town every other week and do construction work
<kris_>
idk capitalism just fucking sucks
<midfavila>
and yet we get paid the same
<kris_>
etc
<kris_>
I just wonder at what point shit is going to start improving
<midfavila>
yeah
<kris_>
assuming it ever does
<midfavila>
it'll start improving when luigi pulls off a shadow clone jutsu
<kris_>
oh how I desire that
<midfavila>
note to CSIS and the CIA, i would never endorse illegal activity
<kris_>
I haven't actually met anyone who isn't a fan of luigi
<midfavila>
that being said luigi is a hero of the people
<midfavila>
and also fuck brian thompson's entire lineage past and present
<kris_>
re: fan of luigi, I bet they do exist
<midfavila>
hope he rots in hell
<kris_>
idk to be that rich whatsoever immediately makes you a shitter to me
<midfavila>
i'm just so tired of seeing more and more people literally falling apart on the street every day while knowing that there are people who can just
<midfavila>
snap their fingers and eradicate world hunger
<midfavila>
and yet they don't
<kris_>
I just fail to see how you could do something like that and not
<midfavila>
go ask elon
<kris_>
like that part doesn't click for me
<kris_>
like you could improve life globally and don't
<midfavila>
he said he would if someone showed him what to do and then someone did and he mysteriously disappeared
<midfavila>
dude doesn't have 6b USD to end world hunger but he has 44b for twitter
<kris_>
I guess he wouldn't be the richest man in the world anymore if his money was suddenly redistributed lol
<kris_>
but 6b is such a joke
<midfavila>
i hope every single swasticar accelerates itself and its owner directly into a wall and explodes
<midfavila>
dude i was at this rally at the local tesla and the guy who originally organised it was such a fucking loser
<midfavila>
he was libbing it up the entire time
<kris_>
man I just kinda feel bad for the people who bought teslas before it was blatant how much of a POS elon is
<kris_>
and yeah I fucking bet
<midfavila>
"we love tesla elon has done a lot of good this is actually just about him threatening canada and actually all of this is apolitical"
<midfavila>
like no shut the fuck up you actual moron
<kris_>
wait until eventually people find out that there is nothing that *isn't* apolitical
<midfavila>
teslas are known for, again, accelerating into the nearest wall, bursting into flames, and locking their occupants inside to burn to death
<kris_>
that is*
<kris_>
benadryl kicking my ass
<midfavila>
nothing is political
<kris_>
everything is modern day
<kris_>
even the existence of people
<kris_>
like trans friends just trying to exist as they are and somehow that's political
<midfavila>
but yeah that guy makes me so mad to think about him
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
side note
<midfavila>
elon has always been an outed piece of shit
<midfavila>
for decades
<midfavila>
mfer literally comes from apartheid blood money
<kris_>
I'd never know honestly something has to he pretty major for me to hear about it given no socials
<kris_>
which is kind of a bad thing in a sense
<kris_>
I occasionally get news from like mastodon
<midfavila>
in a system where you're told to vote with your dollar i consider researching a company before buying from it to be essential
<kris_>
yeah absolutely
<midfavila>
i would never vote for a party without knowing their platform
<midfavila>
i would never buy a product if i didn't know what my money was supporting
<midfavila>
unfortunately there are sometimes contradictions
<midfavila>
but those are getting worked out
<midfavila>
ofc this is where people go "ackchooully there's no ethical consumption" and like no shit
<midfavila>
but there's a difference between buying, idk, a blanket from a local mom-and-pop shop and a blanket from the fucking hudson's bay company
<midfavila>
>people just trying to make a living for themselves and their family
<kris_>
nah absolutely and I treat software choices the same way tbh
<midfavila>
>company that is literally responsible for the colonisation of the northern half of the americas
<kris_>
like I was saying the other day about only running things that I actually like the devs of
<kris_>
which is part of why I'm such a void shill
<kris_>
I'm gonna be honest, I'm a bit of an asshole, but I somewhat judge people for using that wm
<midfavila>
idk the choices people make reveal their priorities
<midfavila>
judging someone for their priorities is fine
<midfavila>
i'm totally fine saying that on record
<midfavila>
it's different under coercion ofc
<kris_>
idk its not that, the lead developer of hyprland is just such a notorious dickbag that I can't believe people will even run it without auditing the code
<kris_>
of course actually auditing the code is bound to kill you
<midfavila>
well, that's also fair
<kris_>
like he's a notorious transphobe that has enabled harassment of trans people
<kris_>
and then doxxed a redhat employee who was just telling him to control his community
<kris_>
due to behavior like that
<midfavila>
classic
<kris_>
so tldr he got banned from freedesktop
<kris_>
deserved as fuck but yeah
<midfavila>
that sort of behaviour on the part of some suckless contributors is part of why i'm chipping away at replacing all of their stuff that i use
<kris_>
yeah I don't use suckless software
<Guest88>
river wm, love it alot worth giving a go
<kris_>
less due to that and more due to like, suckless, look inside, >sucks
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
suckless is...
<midfavila>
eh
<kris_>
its easily auditable at least though
<kris_>
sbase isn't the worst thing I've sewn
<kris_>
FUCK
<kris_>
seen
<midfavila>
i guess my definition of easily auditable is difference
<midfavila>
different
* midfavila
facedesks
<midfavila>
you're influencing me
<kris_>
river is alright
<midfavila>
but idk every time i've looked inside suckless' stuff it's a mess
<kris_>
I'm a sway fanatic though
<midfavila>
then again most C i've looked at is formatted like shit
<kris_>
I'd say the cleanest C I've seen is busybox funnily enough
<midfavila>
K&R style is absolutely incorrect and i will fistfight anyone who tries to say otherwise
<kris_>
I haven't audited the whole thing but out of what I have its good
<kris_>
the amount of shit I've caught for my fdisk logic
<kris_>
but its so clean
<midfavila>
it's around the same size as my apport(1) which also uses C and bearssl (or i guess libtls to be more accurate) but hurl is one file and rolls a lot of complex stuff by scratch
<midfavila>
in particular a parser for URIs that's insane
<kris_>
isn't bearssl kinda dying
<kris_>
and I haven't heard of hurl
<midfavila>
i don't think so
<kris_>
I didn't know curl wasn't minimal enough lol
<midfavila>
curl is an abomination
<midfavila>
literally hundreds of thousands of lines
<kris_>
god I shouldn't
<kris_>
like
<midfavila>
afaik still demands openssl-compatible libraries too
<midfavila>
it might be able to use boring or gnu but
<midfavila>
ehh
<kris_>
the moment I look at code for something like that I get pissed off and bounce to something else and progressively make my system more annoying to use
<midfavila>
but yeah hurl(1) rolled its own parser for URIs
<midfavila>
and like
<kris_>
albeit sometimes it works in my favor
<midfavila>
if you look at the RFCs there's literally a regex that you can just dump into posix's regex function
<kris_>
like dracut is some SHIT so I went to check out other gens and landed on tinyramfs which is like the greatest thing ever for that part of the system imo
<midfavila>
to match every possible URI
<kris_>
which is how I ended up here
<kris_>
what SSL lib do you actually use
<midfavila>
even if the posix regex functions are slower than a handrolled parser, literally who cares
<kris_>
mostly
<midfavila>
on my own distro? bear
<kris_>
its a shame that void dropped libressl
<kris_>
used to be the default but then patching became too much effort
<midfavila>
if i had to use any big-name software then i would need libre
<midfavila>
but the only software i use that relies on openssl compat is links2
<midfavila>
and at some point i'm just going to patch it to use libtls as an option
<kris_>
OH, BTW, new xz vuln just dropped, I'd update if you use it at all
<midfavila>
i don't
<midfavila>
:^)
<midfavila>
reminds me of something else i need to put on my list
<midfavila>
it'd be neat to have a super minimal frontend to zlib to use for decompression and compression
<midfavila>
i really hate having to keep like five different compressors around
* kris_
uses the shit out of xz
<kris_>
I do too
<midfavila>
i get that there's different usecases but again i really don't care
<midfavila>
if it takes an extra two seconds to download or decompress or whatever, meh
<midfavila>
i'm not going to die
<kris_>
idk I use xz, lz4, and gzip
<kris_>
lz4 is for RAM compression
<midfavila>
i understand for large, like, huge, enormous, gigantic, extra thick, double-stuffed packages
<midfavila>
but meh
<midfavila>
most stuff isn't that big
<kris_>
oh and zstd, all xbps packages are compressed with zstd
<kris_>
forgot about that
<midfavila>
i'm hoping to get to a point where i only rely on zlib and compress
<midfavila>
gzip and similar would only be needed on a build machine
<kris_>
honestly love gzip
<kris_>
I've not found many cases where zstd was faster for the same compression ratio
<kris_>
zstd is good for RAM compression though
<kris_>
but I just use lz4
<kris_>
my sleepy meds have hit so I'm going to be headed out shortly
<midfavila>
same tbh
<midfavila>
i go to sleep around 0000 and its 2330
<midfavila>
ish
<kris_>
my sleep schedule varies depending on how loud my family is being lol
<kris_>
usually they're up until like 2am
<kris_>
12:41am for me at the moment
<kris_>
anyway yeah, gn
<midfavila>
nini
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<farkuhar>
kris_: As an occasional user of Perl, have you ever considered submitting patches to the OpenBSD package manager (to fix whatever behaviour you consider "ass")? The OpenBSD users I know are always saying only good things about its package manager, so I'm curious what you find annoying about it.
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<sewn>
lmao the ass in quotes
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<sewn>
i find it interesting ive used kiss for the entirety of 2023
<sad_plan>
you shouldve used it for the entierity of 2024 aswell
<sewn>
well only for half of 2024
<sewn>
onwards i had used alpine
<sad_plan>
you couldve just used a chroot instead, and stayed loyal to kiss :C
<sad_plan>
or flatpak or w/e else solution worked
<sewn>
I couldn't have stayed loyal to kiss
<sewn>
my PC was melting rmember
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<sad_plan>
you couldve still remained loyal, but not installing alpine. duh