<kris_>
i wonder how complete of a solution seatd + turnstile is
<kris_>
compared to elogind
<sad_plan>
best solution would be to use neither C:
<kris_>
>:(
<sad_plan>
:D
<sewn>
you don't use anything to need seatd or turnstile
<sewn>
so according to you the best solution is X
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<kris_>
sewn nuh uh
<riteo>
crap
<riteo>
I tried openwrt on my repeater
<riteo>
but it does not support 2.4ghz because of an unmerged patch to the kernel
<riteo>
you know what that means right
<riteo>
TIME FOR PAIN! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
<riteo>
I /can't/ go back. Netgear does some nice stuff but holy crap is the luci web-ui one of the cleanest and most stable webconfig solutions I've ever seen
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riteo pff who needs <5ghz
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<riteo>
kris_: the crappy iot lampbulbs outside my house
<kris_>
oh thats
<kris_>
why do you have iot bulbs
<riteo>
trust me, it's better this way
<riteo>
before that I'd have to go upstairs to press a fucking switch every single evening
<riteo>
they do not understand timed switches so this is the easiest solution I found
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<kris_>
I guess
<kris_>
riteo compile the kernel with that patch?
<riteo>
yea
<riteo>
gotta rebase some stuff though
<riteo>
that's the pain ;)
<kris_>
im currently playing with the "senpai" client
<kris_>
weechat kinda sucks but im not sure how i feel about this not having chat history
<kris_>
and it seems like im not getting chat history replayed from libera
<kris_>
nevermind, i forgot that sojus "memory" message-store driver does not support that
<sewn>
kris_: kris why are you "nuh uh"ing me.? its his opinion not mine
<kris_>
sewn tbh i cant even see those messages anymore so idk
<kris_>
ive been playing with other clients
<kris_>
trying out senpai right now and as a result i'm logged in on OFTC
<riteo>
not gonna lie, senpai's very comfy
<kris_>
the lack of chat history pisses me off
<riteo>
I have it ;)
<kris_>
but it works better with soju than weechat
<riteo>
what soju config you using?
<kris_>
(and it's written in a language i don't hate)
<riteo>
I'm using soju+senpai and it works flawlessly
<kris_>
(don't flame me for that)
<riteo>
(I won't)
<kris_>
tbh im too lazy to vpn up so i can get into my vps to get my soju config
<riteo>
but yea why you're using this "memory" thing? I suppose it keeps stuff in ram and that's it?
<kris_>
but weechat with the soju plugin does *not* work well
<kris_>
and yeah thats the case
<riteo>
why not a file'
<kris_>
i host my bouncer on a hetzner vps
<kris_>
id rather it be in memory
<riteo>
oh I see
<riteo>
I have it on my cursed server and outside of the occasional downtime caused by... life... I must admit it feels quite comfy
<riteo>
also tbh kris_
<riteo>
those are public servers
<riteo>
so like the only thing that could go in the wrong hands would be DMs
<kris_>
correct and i DM people on here constantly
<riteo>
oh I see
<sewn>
you can try comlink, a zig irc client that is similar to senpai and has a discord-like ui.
<kris_>
(would be less of a threat if fucking anything supported ORT)
<kris_>
s/ORT/OTR/
<sewn>
pounce and catgirl may be a honorable mention as well.
<kris_>
man i just cant with these client names
<kris_>
>senpai >pounce >catgirl
<sewn>
pounce is a bouncer
<kris_>
ah is it
<kris_>
idk
<riteo>
oh yeah thinking about it it's kinda silly that DMs aren't encrypted
<sewn>
...yes it is
* kris_
likes soju
<riteo>
I had no idea that otr was a thing
<kris_>
ive been using IRC for like a very short period of time
<kris_>
so forgive my ignorance
<riteo>
not gonna lie, IRC is pretty darn comfy despite all its flaws
<sewn>
anyways, personally I stick with soju and senpai, and I don't like catgirl, hence I won't use pounce.
<kris_>
weechat is the only client i do like
<kris_>
but i also cannot fucking stand things like ZNC
<sewn>
the client standalone is still worth a shot however.
<kris_>
i used ZNC for a long time until it just randomly stopped working
<riteo>
kris_: have you considered hosting the bouncer locally
<kris_>
yeah i have
<riteo>
also quick question
<kris_>
i have a spare 10700k and 32gb of ram + a 280mm AIO and a motherboard in a box doing nothing
<kris_>
at some point ill probably proxy that through hetzner and replace my actual VPS functions with that
<riteo>
do you think that it would be dumb to punch a hole in the eventually-gonna-be firewall just for a db on my sensitive private server
<sewn>
have you considered selling it, kris?
<kris_>
i like to have spare hardware around incase something happens
<kris_>
albeit i'd lose my shit if i had to go back to using a 10700k
<riteo>
like, public-facing thing in a vlan and a single tcp port punched through the private vlan only directed to the server
<kris_>
spoiled, i know, but holy fuck that thing sucks for compiling
<kris_>
riteo it depends, you don't want cross contamination
<kris_>
if you handle it appropriately, it's not an issue
<riteo>
even if it's only a single port?
<riteo>
like, would that be reasonable or would that be a huge risk still?
<kris_>
its more about something on your "sensitive private server" becoming compromised and being a pivot point
<kris_>
something being what you have public
<riteo>
I see
<kris_>
what you could do is run a kvm virtual machine and pass through a pcie network card into that vm and put that on the vlan
<kris_>
so it essentially becomes a standalone system
<kris_>
^ still assuming you handle yourself appropriately
<riteo>
oh that's a nice idea
<riteo>
ty
<riteo>
I'll see when it will become important enough
<kris_>
i love how openwrts website is down most of the time
<riteo>
rn I'm still planning how to handle the thing hardware wise, since we're finally getting FTTH soon here
<riteo>
kris_: it's not down, it's just hella slow
<riteo>
it works though, ask me how I know ;)
<kris_>
that's kind of ironic
<riteo>
yea lol
<riteo>
holy moly is openwrt good though, like, I had no fucking idea
<kris_>
im indifferent about it
<riteo>
why do vendors keep their ugly shit when they have this great stuff?
<kris_>
luci is ballwater to me
<kris_>
mostly just organizationally
<riteo>
yea but even just uci
<kris_>
some vendors do make use of openwrt
<riteo>
yea but then make it super duper ugly
<kris_>
asus routers come with asuswrt which is a fork of openwrt and also open source for the most part
<kris_>
and i prefer asuswrt UX wise
<riteo>
I was actually kinda surprised to know that my el-cheapo netgear router just... works? And they share gpl code where adequate? (at least for the bootloader)
<kris_>
my issue with luci could be solved with a theme i just dont give enough of a shit
<riteo>
lol
<kris_>
like it works so w/e
<kris_>
it beats pfsense and opnsense and its not even close
<riteo>
you have /not/ seen the ugly thing that my ISP-provided router has
<riteo>
you press /as single thing/ and it fucking refreshes on you
<riteo>
every. single. time.
<kris_>
ZNCs default theme gives me ISP router vibes
<riteo>
I'm just grateful that it does not have a gpon port and instead has an sfp port so that means I can eventually swap it
<kris_>
OH MY GOD
<riteo>
what
<kris_>
okay senpai just became something i am not leaving from the dumbest feature ever
<riteo>
mouse support?
<kris_>
it sets the title of my terminal window so when i have a foot stack with a bunch of stuff open i can see which is my irc client lol
<riteo>
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<riteo>
yeah that's hella useful
<riteo>
that's not dumb at all
<riteo>
do you know senpai has mouse support though
<kris_>
yeah i turned it off
<riteo>
senpai just works i swear
<riteo>
it's super duper comfy
<kris_>
generally that happens with things written in go
<kris_>
and it has nothing to do with the language really and more to do with what kinds of people who write stuff in go
<riteo>
mfw google did something good for once
<kris_>
i'm a HUGE fan of caddy, sbctl, soju, now this
<kris_>
hugo is okay i guess but its kinda unwarranted
<riteo>
I mean from what I heard go just makes a lot of networked programs easier since it's all asynchronous or something
<kris_>
go makes a lot of everything easier
<kris_>
the stdlib is nuts
<kris_>
you can kinda trivially cause UB but it's whatever
<riteo>
Thinking about it I should really play with other languages outside of c/c++/python/sh
<riteo>
I mean I did in the past but it was more because I kinda had to
<kris_>
i pretty much only write shell but if i need something more go is usually the default pick for me
<riteo>
blessed combo
<kris_>
i tried with haskell for like 2 weeks and decided that i'm both too dumb for it and also don't care about it
<riteo>
I'm lazy as fuck and prototype my stuff in python. I should really port those to C since they were clearly meant to be written in C but I still didn't
<kris_>
i used to use python somewhat heavily when i was daily driving windows
<riteo>
oh right also apparently nobody ever did a thing which looks at the default pipewire device and prints a single number with its volume
<riteo>
so that might be nice to share since it works 90% of the time (sometime it crashes no idea why)
<kris_>
never really thought about that
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<kris_>
i have mixed feelings on C
<kris_>
like it's a fucking garbage language for anything above base system level
<riteo>
I have this whole weird-ass status system written in python which polls a bunch of fifos and sticks their value next to a label so that I can have efficient big-ass status bars because I'm to lazy to click buttons
<kris_>
which tracks given it was meant for system level stuff
<kris_>
im just wondering at what point we'll shift to zig or rust
<riteo>
I mean, C is basically universal
<kris_>
riteo i feel that
<riteo>
for stuff like parsing it's pain obviously but that's kinda the point ig
<kris_>
i need to make more use of perl
<riteo>
you can look at C code and you can tell almost exactly what it will compile too, as long as it's not UB (which you can still recognize)
<kris_>
yeah i get that, it's just not a good experience to me
<kris_>
not that rust is, i don't know anything about rust and couldn't read it to save my life
<kris_>
or well, i know *about* rust but i've never actually used it
<kris_>
also did you see that 4chan got hacked
<kris_>
random thing that like just happened, databases fully dumped, source code leaked, janitors doxxed
<riteo>
no I had no idea
<kris_>
4chan kinda disgusts me but it's entertaining
<riteo>
I couldn't even get entertained
<riteo>
like, I tried browsing /g/ for a month or so
<kris_>
oh i meant the hack
<riteo>
6 days out of 7 it was unironically transphobia
<kris_>
which one is /g/ again
<kris_>
is that the tech board
<riteo>
yea
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<kris_>
honestly i browsed that for a few days and it seemed like 99% of people were either shitposting or just not very smart
<kris_>
and then i lost interest
<riteo>
talk about a language, becomes rust and before you know it you get trown nasty images and tranphobic acronyms
<kris_>
and yeah i'm not interested in transphobes or things that are parallel to that
<riteo>
talk about anything, becomes firefox, which in turn is rust and you know the drill
<kris_>
which is why 4chan is disgusting to me
<riteo>
yea
<riteo>
but
<riteo>
I got a nice discussion about a new c# feature once
<riteo>
that was really wholesome
<riteo>
so like, 1 day of the week you might see the blessed post and that was really nice so it's not like the platform itself is intrinsically bad, it's just all the fucking idiots abusing the anonynmous features
<kris_>
OH another golang project i'm a big fan of, blocky
<riteo>
what is blocky
<kris_>
pihole but doesnt suck
<riteo>
nice
<kris_>
i use it for DoH since my ISP likes to throttle connections to quad9
<kris_>
i did try out DoT for a little bit but it's substantially slower
<riteo>
Dns over what
<kris_>
H == https
<kris_>
T == tls
<riteo>
oh
<riteo>
how can it be slower
<riteo>
it's literally one less piece in the equation
<kris_>
i have no idea but it's measurable
<kris_>
DoH is super scuffed but it's for some reason like noticeably faster for me
<riteo>
maybe the servers are more optimized
<riteo>
or some weird ISP QoL crap
<kris_>
another thing that's kinda odd to me is that my seeding speed with torrents massively improved once i built my router
<kris_>
like otherwise performance wise it's been more or less identical
<riteo>
lmao perhaps openwrt is less bloated or maybe the isp software even did some curious things
<riteo>
sorry vendor software
<riteo>
still
<kris_>
unfortunately im still using the isp box as a modem
<kris_>
which costs 15 usd per month btw
<kris_>
once i have the money i intend on replacing that too though
<riteo>
fair
<riteo>
talking about modems
<kris_>
actually good modems are *expensive*
<kris_>
like ~300 usd expensive
<riteo>
any idea on how to take the sfp modules and let them talk to ethernet only stuff?
<riteo>
like, I'm really fucking tempted to eventually switch to the openwrt one or whatever will come them
<kris_>
nah i don't know anything about sfp
<riteo>
I see
<riteo>
I kinda wished we could ask the ISP to get an ONT box but since we already have an sfp slot I don't think it's worth the hassle
<kris_>
i mean, is what you have free
<kris_>
and/or provided with your generic internet bill
<riteo>
I think it will be rented or something
<riteo>
no idea still don't have it
<kris_>
o
<riteo>
and it's a holiday week rn
<riteo>
so we can't even ask ig
<kris_>
i dont think senpais pin feature works how i figured it would
<kris_>
like id like to pin DMs
<kris_>
so i can close my client and reopen and i dont have to query that user
<kris_>
yeah the distances surprise me a little bit
<kris_>
copper is rather lossy but i imagine they have repeaters set up
<kris_>
like on the power poles
<riteo>
do all americans have cable tv
<kris_>
all? no
<kris_>
im not sure if *most* do anymore
<riteo>
I think it's kinda rare here and most subscription tv switched over to internet stuff here
<kris_>
it just depends on the age of the person honestly
<kris_>
i dont know a single person over like 35 that doesn't have cable tv
<riteo>
it's kinda interesting to see another "new thing on old stuff" solution
<riteo>
like the twisted pair stuff
<kris_>
i dont think ive watched cable tv in at least 12 years
<riteo>
oh but most old-ish people do
<kris_>
and yeah its super neat
<riteo>
so that's it
<riteo>
that's interesting
<kris_>
idk streaming services and cable tv are both dumb as fuck to me
<riteo>
again, I don't think it ever took that much off here
<kris_>
im just not interested in media that i don't have a DRM free copy of
<riteo>
oh yeah obv I was rather intrigued by the fact that they even invented an internet over cable-tv-infrastructure signaling thing
<kris_>
i'm absolutely the type of person to just >buy CDs and blurays
<kris_>
albeit blurays have DRM
<riteo>
ehh
<riteo>
crappy drm :P
<kris_>
i guess
<kris_>
something that shocked me is that the other day the PS3 got an update for new bluray keys
<riteo>
lmaoooooooooooooooooo
<riteo>
mfw ps3 users gotta live the same life as... legitimate vlc users
<kris_>
man i really wish i had a good place in my house to record
<kris_>
i bought a cfw compatible ps3 slim with the intention of compiling void linux for it
<kris_>
for a video
<kris_>
gentoo officially supports the ps3 too apparently
<kris_>
..i should turn that ps3 into a router
<riteo>
that would be peak gaming
<riteo>
mfw gaming router actually can game
<kris_>
hey i mean the integrated graphics in my actual router are good enough to run a fair amount of games
<kris_>
are/is
<kris_>
but yeah that would be kind of awesome
<kris_>
i also have this old dell latitude d410 from 2004ish with a single core pentium M of some sort and 512mb of ram with the original 40gb 5400rpm IDE hard drive
<kris_>
it ran a minecraft 1.8.9 server better than you'd think
<kris_>
limited only by the memory and therefore the slow hdd with swap
<riteo>
and minecraft SUCKS
<riteo>
I wonder how luanti would have run there
<kris_>
ill try it out
<riteo>
like do you realize how lightweight minecraft should be
<kris_>
i need to order some stuff for it though, i plan on getting like an ide to sd card adapter
<kris_>
to replace the hdd
<kris_>
and yeah i'm aware lmao, minecraft is a complete mess
<riteo>
> sd card
<kris_>
CF card, then
<riteo>
better
<kris_>
i want it to seal up all nice
<kris_>
so a 2.5" SSD is too big when combined with the adapter
<riteo>
especially as a swap sd cards are asking to die
<kris_>
im not sure that CF is actually any better
<riteo>
I /think/ flash-based CF cards should work better
<kris_>
i do have a spare m.2 around that i will literally never use otherwise though and this will fit and close up all nicely
<midfavila>
oh man i remember my laptop in high school had dual CF drives instead of a hard drive
<midfavila>
it was sick
<midfavila>
also gm compusmoochers
<kris_>
gm midfavila
<midfavila>
:3
<kris_>
i have truly fallen into the depths using an irc client called senpai
<kris_>
but it's actually like very good
<midfavila>
when are you gonna order programmer socks to complete the getup
<midfavila>
smdh
<kris_>
i will not be ordering programmer socks
<kris_>
i'm a socks and sandals type of guy
<kris_>
with cargo shorts
<midfavila>
:3c
<kris_>
(im not actually but id prefer to paint that image)
<midfavila>
i've never been a huge cargo pants person
<midfavila>
tbqh
<midfavila>
they kind of suck ass
<kris_>
i'm a cargo *pants* person, not shorts
<kris_>
albeit i am wearing cargo shorts right now
<midfavila>
pants and shorts both
<kris_>
why do they suck ass
<midfavila>
who wants to carry a backpack's worth of crap on their legs?
<kris_>
me
<midfavila>
that makes it hard to move
<midfavila>
smdh
<midfavila>
unrelated
<kris_>
it doesnt make it hard to move, you're just a Wimp
<midfavila>
i'm reading the comments on some postmedia-owned rag in canada
<midfavila>
and it's literally just a bunch of people bitching about how the election is being held *near* easter
<midfavila>
suddenly they're all concerned about prayer when literally nobody treats easter as a religious holiday here lmao
<midfavila>
same people who were foaming at the mouth for a snap fed election
<midfavila>
and yes it does becuase of the bulk
<midfavila>
smdh
<midfavila>
not the weight, jut how inflexible the pants can end up
<kris_>
oh fuck it's easter soon
<midfavila>
yeah i didn't even realise lmfao
<kris_>
well like i'm not a religious person so i just could not care less
<midfavila>
until people started crawling out of the woodwork to bitch about muh 'ligion
<kris_>
but my family happens to be pretty strongly catholic
<midfavila>
i mean i like easter because we get good friday off
<midfavila>
as a federal holiday
<kris_>
usually there's like a family gathering as a result of days like this
<midfavila>
that sounds fun
<midfavila>
= w=
<kris_>
like for example on christmas eve we're only allowed to eat fish and vegetables as like a cleansing of the soul
<kris_>
there's a LOT around that
<midfavila>
my parents were never like
<kris_>
and its like man i seriously don't care but i keep that quiet because respectful
<midfavila>
*religious* parents
<midfavila>
they're both religious
<midfavila>
but not like
<midfavila>
idk pushy like that i guess
<kris_>
my father is strongly anti-theist
<kris_>
my stepmother is agnostic but her family is the deal here
<midfavila>
my mother is a catholic and my father is a protestant and idk how that works
<kris_>
literally just different interpretations of the same text
<kris_>
my actual mother is some variant of it i dont know
<midfavila>
yeah but have you considered that the catholic church has intervened on behalf of the working class against protestant-motivated business owners
<midfavila>
rare church w
<kris_>
but my actual mothers side of the family is super into like "i literally saw an angel and i am speaking in tongues and god has bestowed upon me knowledge"
<midfavila>
bruv
<kris_>
~75% of them are diagnosed schizophrenic btw
<kris_>
but im not trying to insult anything or anyone so
<midfavila>
at least she's not a prosperity gospelist
<midfavila>
...i hope she isn't
<kris_>
not even remotely
<midfavila>
okay good
<midfavila>
there are a lot of people like that around here and i fucking hate them
<kris_>
i hate the correlation with a statement like this but my thing is like please just dont talk to me about it
<kris_>
like do your thing i dont care but i seriously *dont care*
<kris_>
so usually these family gatherings are interesting
<midfavila>
i can only imagine
<kris_>
typically filled with things like transphobia and racism casually
<kris_>
and i have to just be quiet
<midfavila>
i would throw hands
<midfavila>
don't invite me
<midfavila>
lol
<kris_>
i just go hide in another room
<kris_>
i go because it's respectful and say nothing because it's respectful even when they're being disrespectful
<midfavila>
i love how people can run their fat mouths about muh jesus and it's like
<kris_>
idk my whole thing is just avoiding conflict
<midfavila>
didn't jesus say something about loving thy neighbour and welcoming the stranger and shit
<kris_>
i think you're missing the part where they just pick out the parts they like
<midfavila>
nah they probably just haven't read the bible ever.
<midfavila>
like most "christians".
<kris_>
it's vaguely entertaining
<midfavila>
that's what bothers me the most i think
<kris_>
like im pretty sure i remember something from the bible about it not being allowed to mix fabrics with your clothing
<kris_>
cutting your hair is also wrong
<kris_>
eating pork is wrong
<midfavila>
is like, you claim to love this belief system, but you don't put any effort into it
<midfavila>
yeah i think that's all old testament stuff
<midfavila>
i remember the mixed fabrics thing
<midfavila>
we're all going to hell for wearing poly-cotton
<midfavila>
you should mention that
<kris_>
i identified as a non-spiritual buddhist for most of my life after having been exposed to the internet
<midfavila>
that would be funny
<kris_>
and then i just literally stopped caring
<kris_>
but i guess that kinda tracks given what that is
* midfavila
bigshrugs
<kris_>
im not going to mention anything
<kris_>
they're nice to me knowing i'm an atheist so i'll be nice to them
<kris_>
it's the racism and transphobia and homophobia that i have a problem with
<midfavila>
yeah the religion isn't a problem
<midfavila>
it's the using-religion-as-a-shield-to-be-a-piece-of-shit thing that's the problem
<kris_>
though actually my stepmothers family has been rather accepting of things like that
<kris_>
i should have clarified, it's my mothers majority schizophrenic family i'm talking about
<kris_>
you have no idea how tempted i am to date another guy with the added benefit of pissing them off
<kris_>
not *just* to piss them off but you get what i mean
<midfavila>
ye that would just be the gravy
<kris_>
in other news, i finally have my local server back up
<midfavila>
:o
<midfavila>
grats
<kris_>
so i can consoom tv shows and movies and im kinda looking for movies to watch
<kris_>
i've been told i'd love the shining but kinda remember it being terrible
<kris_>
i'm a big fan of psychological horror
<midfavila>
not a movie but you should watch haibane renmei
<kris_>
still need to figure out what to do with my dns proxy though, i don't like having a whole i5 6500t thin client to host that alone given it's such a cheap task
<kris_>
and i'm really not a fan of the idea of putting it in a vm on my server
<kris_>
(or on my server in general)
<midfavila>
you could buy a tiny little machine from pine64
<midfavila>
or something
<kris_>
i have a pi 3b+ but its too slow
<kris_>
never heard of haibane renmei, im not super into anime
<kris_>
ill give it a look though
<midfavila>
you also need to watch serial experiments lain
<midfavila>
sewn: break out the sales pitch
<kris_>
probably, i keep seeing lain everywhere
<midfavila>
bully kris into watching lain
<kris_>
you're going to judge me
<midfavila>
watching lain is prerequisite to using kiss
<kris_>
my favorite anime is darling in the franxx
<midfavila>
ive literally never heard of it
<kris_>
EVERYONE judges me
<kris_>
o
<midfavila>
i only watch good anime
<midfavila>
:3c
<kris_>
alright listen, it's really awkward and overly sexual for the first few episodes
<kris_>
but then it kinda slams
<kris_>
a silent voice is my favorite movie of all time if that counts
<kris_>
second place being v for vendetta, of course
<midfavila>
ive also never heard of that
<kris_>
oh dude
<kris_>
a silent voice is incredible if you're not like super sensitive to its topics
<kris_>
that being primarily self harm and bullying
<midfavila>
i have a *job* >:c
<midfavila>
i can't consoom all day
<midfavila>
smdh
<midfavila>
i can only argue on IRC
<kris_>
nah all good but that specific movie
<kris_>
actually top notch, i think even non anime people would absolutely love it
<midfavila>
mayhaps
<midfavila>
synopsis seems decent
<midfavila>
i doubt it would make me bawl though
<midfavila>
i think one of the few movies to properly get at me was grave of the fireflies
<kris_>
idk it hits really hard for me, it's fairly relatable
<midfavila>
that's fair
<kris_>
ive never heard of that one
<midfavila>
it's a ghibli film about an orphaned boy and his sister living in imperial japan during the end of the second world war
<midfavila>
very good anti-war film but also incredibly fucking depressing
<kris_>
ive never seen a ghibli film
<kris_>
ill add that one to my list as well
<midfavila>
you should watch most of them
<midfavila>
i think my favourites are...
<midfavila>
in no particular order, grave of the fireflies, princess mononoke, nausicaa of the valley of the wind, and castle in the sky
<kris_>
oh wow i didnt know they made so many
<kris_>
i'm only familiar with them because of my invader totoro
<kris_>
^ i realize that reference may be random but its from an elden ring video
<midfavila>
theyve made a whole boatload
<midfavila>
but people only know the big-name ones
<midfavila>
totoro, spirited away, whatever
<midfavila>
i've still not watched those
<midfavila>
i prefer their lesser-known films
<midfavila>
oh, and porco rosso is really good, too
<kris_>
i feel so out of the loop
<kris_>
not only with movies but also music and stuff
<kris_>
its kinda hard to find good music now, i feel like it's all way too processed and fake
<midfavila>
that's just most media
<midfavila>
unfortunately
<midfavila>
everything has been reduced to an engine of profit generation
<kris_>
i might be kinda limiting myself though in the context that i pretty much only listen to metal / classic rock
<midfavila>
there's very little actual artistry or merit for its own sake left anywhere
<kris_>
yeah its fucking sad
<kris_>
you literally just described why i personally hate AI
<midfavila>
it's just capitalism lol
<midfavila>
AI is just the power loom for music
<kris_>
i hate *this* use of AI
<midfavila>
AI in general is a disaster
<midfavila>
the environmental impacts alone should mean flippant use of it ought to be outlawed
<kris_>
kinda doubt that'll happen
<kris_>
kinda too late
<midfavila>
honestly the environmental impacts of the tech sector should result in it being torn up
<midfavila>
as a whole
<midfavila>
what the fuck does facebook actually provide to the world
<kris_>
have you seen nepenthes
<midfavila>
no
<kris_>
im sure there are a bunch of projects like it but it's an AI LLM crawler tarpit
<kris_>
that just keeps generating bullshit text to accelerate model collapse
<kris_>
it keeps them stuck there and keeps feeding them random shit
<midfavila>
oh, yeah
<midfavila>
i've seen those
<midfavila>
not that name specifically but i'm familiar with the idea
<midfavila>
honestly i'm just going to abandon the web as a whole soon enough
<kris_>
once i have the money i fully intend on setting up like a fleet of these
<midfavila>
i already only use a handful of sites
<kris_>
i feel like there's nothing creative left anyway
<midfavila>
honestly it's not even that there's nothing left
<midfavila>
it's just
<midfavila>
there's so much *shit*
<midfavila>
everywhere
<kris_>
the personality we knew from the internet that existed up until like 2012 or something is gone
<midfavila>
that it's impossible to find the good
<midfavila>
i've been trying to get more involved in local in-person groups
<kris_>
kind of a potentially bad mentality i need to break is that im only interested in hanging out with people ive met online first
<kris_>
i feel like that's the only way it can possibly be real
<midfavila>
in some cases, definitely
<kris_>
which sounds backwards but given a layer of anonymity people tend to filter themselves far less
<midfavila>
yeah no i understand what you mean completely
<midfavila>
that's partially why i've become so cynical
<midfavila>
the supposedly respectable veneer people put on in person falls away the second they can get online and then you see them how they really are
<kris_>
i think i'm just in the wrong part of the world
<midfavila>
and it's just...
<midfavila>
gross
<midfavila>
are you in the US?
<midfavila>
oh wait
<kris_>
like when i was working retail and someone would walk up to me and hit me with the "how about this weather huh?" and im standing there thinking to myself like "i really do not give a shit just ask me what you have to ask me"
<kris_>
and yes i'm in the US
<midfavila>
you are i forgot we had the talk about the army
<midfavila>
yeah fuck retail
<midfavila>
honestly i can't do it
<kris_>
that applies to almost all interactions
<kris_>
like please stop saying rhetorical things
<kris_>
so that kinda leads to me just not wanting to meet people irl
<midfavila>
i don't even mind talking about the weather, sometimes the weather is neat, but like... don't just talk to talk
<kris_>
yeah exactly
<midfavila>
on the flipside people who came into the store i worked at wearing headphones made me want to punch them
<midfavila>
at least take one earbud out
<midfavila>
when you come up to the register
<midfavila>
fucking *please*
<kris_>
hey i mean that's a positive
<kris_>
it's easy to spot red flags
<kris_>
in a similar vein as going to hang out with someone and they pull out their >fucking cell phone and are scrolling socials the entire time
<kris_>
its like cool wont hang out anymore, easy filter
<midfavila>
yeah
<midfavila>
i won't talk to people if they do that
<kris_>
it seems like "normal people" don't seem to understand why that's rude
<sewn>
i love a silent voice
<kris_>
dude yes its so good
<midfavila>
i'm at a point in my life where if us interacting is contingent on me using all the apps and shit or we're just going to stare at phones or thing like that i'm just not going to waste my time
<sewn>
i love lain i love franxx i love like that one anime about being forgotten (i forgot) and i need to watch more
<kris_>
yeah idk, people have exactly 3 options to talk to me
<sewn>
i legitimately have not watched a series in 2 years
<midfavila>
watch haibane renmei sewn
<kris_>
irc, discord, sms
<midfavila>
it's like lain
<kris_>
and i dont want to be on discord but frens
<midfavila>
but not computer
<sewn>
blep
<sewn>
hmm
<sewn>
maybe
<kris_>
i tried my hardest to move them over to my xmpp server and failed
<midfavila>
you should be a sergal sewn
<midfavila>
you have sergal energy
<kris_>
to be clear these friends are very very into tech
<midfavila>
kris_ i have discord for literally a single person
<kris_>
like xmpp is absolutely NOT a stretch for them
<kris_>
i mean i can't lie, i hang out in like 2 servers pretty often
<midfavila>
i ditched telegram a while ago
<sewn>
whats a sergal
<midfavila>
god
<midfavila>
i can't do servers
<kris_>
public servers i mean, that's kinda how i meet people
<kris_>
but the conversations i've had in this channel alone have been much higher quality
<kris_>
this is absolutely gatekeeping and i don't really care- the barrier to entry for discord is way too low
<kris_>
applies to tech in general
<kris_>
i'm not saying that because of tech knowledge though really
<kris_>
i think the main reason i like irc as much as i do is because the people who are immediately unwilling to bother figuring out how to connect a client even are generally otherwise uncool
<midfavila>
you're keeping out the people who just want a place to spam emoji and gifs and shit
<kris_>
it's that immediate white flag
<sewn>
is this a real animal
<midfavila>
sewn yes it's a real animal
<kris_>
like the instant self-serving behavior and lack of any effort
<kris_>
idk
<sewn>
oh
<midfavila>
you can go out and find one in the forest rn
<sewn>
well i dont like
<sewn>
cuz theyre amssive
<sewn>
and im just kitty
<midfavila>
theyre from a webcomic called vilous that's apparently really good but it's only in japanese
<midfavila>
:c
<midfavila>
kris_ absolutely
<midfavila>
USENET is great too when it's a little more active
<midfavila>
it's such a mundane experience but i remember during lockdown i posted a lot on alt.fan.furry
<kris_>
i still don't really know what usenet is
<midfavila>
and then i came across a thread from someone about a new anime and they posted a torrent link
<midfavila>
and i could like
<midfavila>
download the torrent
<midfavila>
and talk about the show
<midfavila>
and watch it
<midfavila>
all without a browser
<kris_>
yeah downloading via usenet is *insane*
<kris_>
in a good way
<midfavila>
it's so mundane but that's crazy
<midfavila>
to me
<kris_>
^ so i've heard
<midfavila>
like it's so wild that you can do things without a browser
<midfavila>
usenet is like
<midfavila>
uhh
<midfavila>
a distributed textboard
<midfavila>
or bulletinboard
<kris_>
ah ic
<kris_>
yeah that makes sense
<midfavila>
and it's an extension of email afaik
<midfavila>
or, uses it as a transport protocol?
<midfavila>
i've still got to look into it more but it's neat
<midfavila>
you can use eternal-september.org for a free text-only account
<kris_>
idk the whole costing money thing is offputting-
<kris_>
hm
<midfavila>
usually that's only from providers who provide binary access
<midfavila>
i don't do that
<midfavila>
so i don't pay for it
<midfavila>
lol
<kris_>
idk im not the most interested anyway, my only real world usecase for that would be downloads
<kris_>
and private sites kill the need
<midfavila>
youve never used forums or imageboards or similar?
<midfavila>
aaaaaaaaaa my god this guy on the other side of the country is trying to order things from us and he asked for an itemised bill of materials with a per-unit cost breakdown and then he's super confused that i gave him prices by volume so that he can compare the real cost of one option for a given material against another
* midfavila
facedesks
<midfavila>
you are still buying it in X units of volume per item. i am simply providing you a more convenient way to compare the cost of items.
<kris_>
i have used forums and imageboards a super long time ago but i feel like im set on social media in general
<kris_>
discord + reddit + IRC + mastodon
<midfavila>
fair enough
<kris_>
lemmy is super cool but its like
<kris_>
the same 5 people discussing communism on a daily basis
<midfavila>
i really only use irc/xmpp/usenet/SDF BBOARD
<kris_>
its actually a few thousand people discussing communism on lemmy
<midfavila>
with ofc the one person i talk to on discord
<kris_>
and while that's cool it gets repetitive
<kris_>
and yeah i need to give xmpp more of a try
<midfavila>
that's their special interest
<midfavila>
no bully
<kris_>
what stops me is that i never found any decent public places
<midfavila>
there are none
<midfavila>
lol
<kris_>
like i know 1 person who uses xmpp, you
<midfavila>
i use xmpp to talk to friends who used to use tg and can't into irc
<midfavila>
you could message me on xmpp >:OO
<kris_>
after spending time to set up a server again maybe
<midfavila>
honestly i think what bugs me about xmpp is the same thing i despise about matrix
<kris_>
i shut mine down after all of my discord friends asked me to set it up and then lost interest in like 2 days
<midfavila>
the core protocol does fucking nothing and it's suffered from massive bloat over time as people have bolted on dozens if not hundreds of extensions
<midfavila>
all of which are implemented to varying degrees of completeness and compatibility in the different clients and servers
<kris_>
yeah proper encryption support is a concern with xmpp clients
<midfavila>
so you need to use the right client with the right server and your client has to also work with the other people's clients
<kris_>
i dont like matrix because im still not convinced it isnt a honeypot
<midfavila>
and it's so fucking stupid
<kris_>
idk i never had much of an issue with that
<midfavila>
i very much do
<kris_>
i used prosody for the server, gajim on desktop and some rando android client
<midfavila>
i experience regular issues on xmpp
<kris_>
some of the people i talk to used psi+
<midfavila>
i use pidgin with lurch for omemo and it works well enough with conversations' server w/e they use
<kris_>
ah yeah conversations was the android app
<midfavila>
but then some of my friends who use iOS can't get encrypted messages on their phone
<midfavila>
only their desktop
<kris_>
situational
<kris_>
it works if you configure it correctly on the server side but you have to put in some extra work for things like encrypted notifications on ios
<kris_>
on android it just werks
<kris_>
said setup for encrypted notifs is incredibly annoying
<kris_>
and the only distro i found that had the necessary lua stuff packaged for prosody to achieve that is fucking debian
<kris_>
surely there are some decent public channels on xmpp somewhere though
<midfavila>
i've never found any
<kris_>
like people *do* use it, they're just quiet about it
<midfavila>
admittedly i haven't looked hard
<midfavila>
i used to be in uhhhh
<midfavila>
digdeeper's muc
<kris_>
and a lot of the people i know who run matrix servers are shutting them down now out of concern of CSAM or other illegal material ending up on their server
<midfavila>
but that shut down years ago
<midfavila>
yeah that sounds about right...
<kris_>
like CSAM spam on matrix is *bad* rn
<kris_>
i havent heard similar abot xmpp
<kris_>
and yeah i set my server up originally for divestos' muc
<kris_>
but divestos is gone
<midfavila>
i attend rallies and stuff and people are trying to talk about setting up something more secure than email
<midfavila>
like for irl stuff
<midfavila>
and their suggestions are fucking
<midfavila>
signal, matrix, google chat, and DISCORD
<midfavila>
fucking DISCORD
<kris_>
signal makes sense
<kris_>
the rest don't, at least to me
<midfavila>
no it doesn't
<kris_>
signal itself is kinda ass though
<midfavila>
signal requires a phone number
<kris_>
yeah
<midfavila>
and a phone itself
<kris_>
i was about to say that
<kris_>
you'd have to get a burner
<midfavila>
which means you need to carry a smart phone
<midfavila>
which
<kris_>
xmpp is as valid as these things get, otherwise should just be dropping notes in specific locations
<midfavila>
uh
<midfavila>
no
<kris_>
if you seriously need that
<midfavila>
i refuse
<midfavila>
i won't carry a smartphone any longer
<midfavila>
once i'm done working on my distro and porting it to my uconsole i'll be done for good
<kris_>
i carry the shit out of my smartphone but i'm irritated by the lack of good OS' for it
<midfavila>
my uconsole can completely replace everything i use my phone for
<kris_>
like its at the point where ive been running the final release of divestos for a LONG time
<midfavila>
*and* do it better
<kris_>
because divest was literally perfection
<kris_>
the dev ran it for like 10 years and decided he wanted to do something else with his life and completely vanished though
<kris_>
dude was a ghost in general, not a soul knew who he was or anything at all about him
<midfavila>
idk lol maybe he got bagged by the cia
<kris_>
you never know
<midfavila>
partially joking
<midfavila>
partially
<kris_>
the website was full of other safety tips like always wearing a hat in public to partially cover your face from cameras
<kris_>
and covid masks with that
<kris_>
like just various advice like that
<midfavila>
have you considered gait recognition is a thing and has been for over a decade
<kris_>
i never really thought about that
<kris_>
surely that can't be considered conclusive evidence of something
<midfavila>
yes it can lol
<kris_>
like it's not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt
<kris_>
surely
<midfavila>
it's a unique biometric
<midfavila>
that can identify you even if you're in all black and covering your face
<kris_>
i'll keep that in mind and begin walking funny
<midfavila>
in a crowd
<kris_>
varying degrees of funny
<kris_>
funny with entropy
<midfavila>
ofc it's not widely deployed in the west
<midfavila>
yet
<midfavila>
i think
<midfavila>
but if it was then the cops wouldn't publish that
<midfavila>
but my point is that like
<kris_>
that might be the most dystopian thing ive heard of so far honestly
<midfavila>
if you're carrying a phone, you're fucked
<kris_>
yeah no doubt
<kris_>
it's an inherent unique identifier
<midfavila>
if you're in a city with advanced surveillance infra, you're also probably fucked
<midfavila>
and if your super sekrit privacy guy is saying you should use discord he's probably a fucking cop
<kris_>
i dont think it's feasible for me to go without a smartphone personally unfortunately
<midfavila>
i think you would be surprised
<midfavila>
most days i leave my phone in a box at home
<kris_>
no, i've been thinking about this for years
<midfavila>
after carrying one for 13 years on and off
<kris_>
and yeah ive never met anyone who's into security recommend discord
<midfavila>
lol discord is an active risk
<kris_>
the literal *only* social media presence divestos had for example was on their selfhosted mastadon and xmpp muc
<midfavila>
ignoring that it tracks your other processes its so fucking broken that someone sending you a malicious jpeg is enough to jack your account
<kris_>
tbh i have irrationally illegal conversations on discord on the regular
<midfavila>
wait until elon gets permission to open a Freedom City:tm: near you
<kris_>
to an extent
<kris_>
like
<kris_>
okay, 4chan as an example, "anonymous" if you handle it appropriately
<kris_>
what do people do with that anonymity? they post fucking AWFUL stuff that no human should ever see or be interacting with
<midfavila>
well yeah
<kris_>
btw 4chan got hacked like last night
<kris_>
full source code leak and moderator list leak with login creds
<kris_>
a few of the mods got doxxed
<midfavila>
classic
<kris_>
^ because they used an email with like their real name or something for their accounts lol
<midfavila>
bruh
<midfavila>
who the fuck uses their actual email for a 4chan account
<kris_>
turns out, the guy who bought 4chan or whatever, kept it running on a stack from 2015
<kris_>
so freebsd from 2015, and a bunch of other ancient shit
<midfavila>
that checks
<kris_>
and apparently that's how this happened
<midfavila>
makes sense
<kris_>
do you need an account to post on 4chan or something
<midfavila>
no
<midfavila>
lol
<kris_>
ive literally only ever like gone there to look at what's there
<kris_>
okay
<kris_>
so >making an account at all
<kris_>
brain loss
<midfavila>
the only people who make accounts are mods and passholders
<kris_>
i get it for moderators but even to that extent
<kris_>
like, using your *real name* in an email on a website like that is mind boggling to me
<midfavila>
using your real name in anything other than a strictly business email is insane
<midfavila>
i would never do that
<kris_>
you'll never know what my real name is
<kris_>
bet you couldnt guess, either
* midfavila
shrugs
<kris_>
(sarcasm)
<kris_>
but yeah its kinda goofy
<kris_>
4chan source fully public, primarily php
<kris_>
5.5 i believe?
<midfavila>
its probably terribad lol
<midfavila>
brb
<midfavila>
going to the shop to grab lomnch
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<midfavila>
back
<midfavila>
god some korean style fried chicken with garlic sauce and some katsuo udon with tempura vegetables
<midfavila>
plus some tea biscuits
<kris_>
midfavila i'm so jealous
<sewn>
just go get his meal its not hard
<sewn>
open up delivery app and order
<sewn>
also.. katsu? AND udon?
<sewn>
whats kind of frankenstein is this
<midfavila>
sewn you've never had katsuo udon?
<midfavila>
it's just pork udon
<midfavila>
is yummy
<midfavila>
you should be jealous though
<sewn>
dont you mean katsu
<sewn>
also no i cant eat pork
<midfavila>
my boss said i could compensate myself for lunches as long as i save my receipts
<midfavila>
oh i didn't mean the pork
<sewn>
katsu is usually referred to by the chicken fried thing
<midfavila>
i meant the receipts thing
<sewn>
the what
<sewn>
whaehrewrhlrah
<midfavila>
my boss is using my lunch to dodge taxes bc he can write it off as a business expense
<midfavila>
= w=
<sewn>
interesting
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
don't use rent-a-slave apps
<midfavila>
literally just leave the house for five minutes
<midfavila>
the walk would be good for you
<midfavila>
smdh
<midfavila>
everyone in this room probably has a nerd tan from staring at compile logs 16 hours a day
<sewn>
there is not a single good restuerant within a 20km radius of my home
<sewn>
i have to drive to get to a good resturant
<sewn>
and all of them are 20 minutes away by car
<midfavila>
step one
<midfavila>
acquire electric motor
<midfavila>
step two
<midfavila>
acquire large battery of sufficient voltage
<midfavila>
step three
<kris_>
man i thought i was gonna get an ebike but it seems like my family really just wants to buy me a car
<midfavila>
strap both to bicycle, wire together
<sewn>
midfavila this place is very hostile
<kris_>
the part they dont seem to understand is that i fucking hate cars
<sewn>
you literally need a car to get places
<midfavila>
sewn i live in the canadian midwest
<midfavila>
most of the city doesn't even have sidewalks
<midfavila>
lmfao
<sewn>
well youre giving me suggestions i cant apply
<midfavila>
:P
<sewn>
plus i like driving :3
<sewn>
soo
<midfavila>
kris_ man same
<sewn>
win win
<kris_>
i dont hate cars for r/fuckcars reasons it just scares the everliving shit out of me
<midfavila>
the last (and last) time i spoke to my mother, one of the things she said to me was that i should start a business
<midfavila>
for like computer repair
<kris_>
like it's actually terrifying i dont wanna drive a car
<midfavila>
and she said that she would help me buy a car
<midfavila>
and i was like
<sewn>
whats so terrifying about car
<midfavila>
i don't want one
<midfavila>
sewn they're dogshit
<sewn>
its just vroom vroom
<midfavila>
for literally everyone
<midfavila>
and everything
<kris_>
sewn people have a tendency to be dangerous on the road
<sewn>
well yeah cars are shit for the environment and theyre giant steel squares that can end your life or end others lives upon a small mistake
<kris_>
it's fine if i'm in the countryside, infact its downright fun
<sewn>
and take thousands to mainain
<sewn>
but vroom vroom
<kris_>
but being around other people? no.
<midfavila>
have you considered that vroom vroom means your boss can exploit you harder
<kris_>
and gas is expensive and car maintenance is expensive and they're not even necessary if cities are designed correctly
<midfavila>
if i had a car i wouldnt have a convenient excuse for being late to work sometimes
<sewn>
companies here provide company cars i think
<midfavila>
:v
<sewn>
yes gas is expensive
<kris_>
like i outright *do not need* a car where i live because we have bike lanes and bike paths that cut through places and sidewalks literally everywhere
<sewn>
i had to pay 50sar for like 1/3 my tank
<kris_>
the issue is that it gets to like -35f in the winter here
<kris_>
and an ebike in that weather would absolutely suck
<sewn>
a
<midfavila>
kris acquire canadianisms
<midfavila>
i cycled in -55C
<midfavila>
lel
<midfavila>
*that* sucked
<kris_>
you're stronger than i
<kris_>
the issue here isn't the temperature
<kris_>
it's the obscene wind due to the lake effect
<midfavila>
oh fair
<kris_>
chicago is the windy city for a reason
<midfavila>
yeah the wind can suck here sometimes
<midfavila>
but then i have an excuse for being late to work so
<midfavila>
:D
<midfavila>
can't get mad at me if the winds are like 80km
<kris_>
but to sum it up i couldn't care less if i hurt myself in a car
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
cars are just inconvenient
<midfavila>
even ignoring the price
<kris_>
but hurting someone else or causing them financial trouble by damaging their car
<kris_>
i would actually snap
<midfavila>
like if it was perfectly safe and i had infinite money i still wouldnt buy a car
<kris_>
we also have trains quite literally everywhere
<midfavila>
bc that entails finding parking and filing papers for license and registration and insurance and shit
<kris_>
i can walk to a train station in less than 15 minutes
<midfavila>
jealous
<kris_>
and yeah cars are literally just an annoyance
<kris_>
i dont understand the desire
<midfavila>
the only train station in my city is all the way on the outskirts of town and you aren't allowed to bring a bike onboard
<midfavila>
so you have to...
<midfavila>
drive...
<midfavila>
to the train...
<kris_>
the trains here are a lot more lenient
<kris_>
hell you dont even need anything electronic
<midfavila>
...to then pay more than it would cost to drive to the next city, to take the train to said city
<midfavila>
ALSO
<midfavila>
GET THIS
<kris_>
when you get on, when they come check your tickets, if you dont have one you can just buy one
<kris_>
like a physical one
<midfavila>
canada's national passenger rail fucking
<midfavila>
WEIGHS YOUR BAG
<midfavila>
LIKE A PLANE
<kris_>
tf
<sewn>
i want trains i want trains
<midfavila>
AND THEY WILL CHARGE YOU IF IT'S OVERWEIGHT
<kris_>
man here in chicago you can pack a fuckin gun onto a train and not a soul would know about it
<kris_>
nor care
<midfavila>
'murica
<midfavila>
hell yeah brother
<midfavila>
brotherrrrrrrrrrrrr
<midfavila>
HELL yeah
<kris_>
i'm not technically in "chicago" though i'm in "chicagoland"
<kris_>
and where i live you don't even need a concealed carry license
<kris_>
you buy a gun and its your gun
<midfavila>
meanwhile here someone will walk down the street with an umbrella and that causes every school in a 10km radius to lock down
<kris_>
you can concealed carry all you want
<kris_>
like once you're cleared to have a gun you can do what you want to
<kris_>
even open carry
<midfavila>
i think canada could do with some updating of its gun laws
<midfavila>
but overall they're not bad
<midfavila>
the thing that bothers me the most is the regulations around magazines
<kris_>
for what it's worth, the reason my area is so safe is because we're all strapped
<midfavila>
weapons with removable magazines are limited to five rounds plus one chambered
<kris_>
im curious about your takes in general
<midfavila>
kris_ the reason most of canada is safe is because people tend to not want to hassle each other
<midfavila>
lol
<kris_>
because i'm very much a carry gun type of guy
<midfavila>
i mean
<midfavila>
for context i'm a pretty big guy
<sewn>
i tend to hear about canada that its all just indians now which is why people dont reccomend it here
<kris_>
i just dont want to know about it because when people start showing off their handgun or just randomly having it out it makes me super uncomfortable
<midfavila>
even if i had zero fat on my bones i would be 230lbs
<kris_>
like you just dont talk about it, keep it tucked in your pants
<midfavila>
so i don't exactly need a gun to defend myself
<midfavila>
source, i was in a fitness study where they put me in a tank and had to measure my bodyfat and stuff
<midfavila>
was super freaky
<kris_>
i am 5 foot 4 and ~105lbs
<midfavila>
BABY
<sewn>
OH MY GOD SO BABY
<midfavila>
oh my gosh
<midfavila>
:3c
<sewn>
:3c
<kris_>
my ass carries a switchblade
<kris_>
because i do not have a desire to own a gun personally
<kris_>
yes i am small
<midfavila>
smol
<kris_>
i prefer the word "aerodynamic" to small, though
<midfavila>
lel
<midfavila>
fair enough
<sewn>
what about cute
<midfavila>
but yeah idk i can appreciate the desire to carry a weapon
<midfavila>
but i think the sort should be restricted
<kris_>
i don't think i'm ever going to manage to beat the twink allegations
<midfavila>
if you want to carry a .22 for self defence, sure
<kris_>
feminine guys == cool
<kris_>
being a feminine guy == not what i want
<midfavila>
but you don't need a 45 to scare someone off
<kris_>
oh no, mid
<sewn>
kris_: youre five foot four youre either one or youre a muscular dwarf
<kris_>
if someone were to just come into my house right now i am FULLY within my right to actively hunt them down and shoot them dead
<midfavila>
in your house, yes
<kris_>
it's not "scaring someone off" here
<kris_>
you fucking kill them,
<midfavila>
if someone comes in my flat i have an 18" fixed-blade bayonet i keep next to my bed
<kris_>
like if you have reason to believe someone is actually dangerous and may kill someone you have right to start shooting as well
<midfavila>
well, yes
<kris_>
say someone else pulls out a gun
<midfavila>
it's similar here
<midfavila>
the matter in commonwealth countries broadly is that of proportional force
<kris_>
my area is kinda weird
<midfavila>
you're allowed to use any sort of force necessary to protect yourself
<midfavila>
no more
<kris_>
if someone were to just somehow wander into your house you can shoot them
<kris_>
even if they're the opposite of a threat
<midfavila>
yeah that wouldn't fly here
<midfavila>
if they broke in in the middle of the night and had a knife or tried to shoot you or w/e? sure
<midfavila>
if they just came in in the middle of the day to steal something, and if you catch them they go to leave, you can't shoot them
<midfavila>
mind, you *can* restrain them and deliver them to a peace officer
<midfavila>
under citizen's arrest doctrine
<kris_>
a weird mentality i find around places like this is that it seems like your average gun advocate is actually just bloodthirsty and wants a reason
<midfavila>
yes
<midfavila>
that's why america has issues
<midfavila>
the culture of america is incredibly violent
<midfavila>
locking up guns in america won't solve the violence that undercuts america itself
<kris_>
of course not
<midfavila>
canada has more guns per capita than america afaik
<midfavila>
but we have a very different gun culture
<midfavila>
and in many ways culture in general
<midfavila>
so we don't have as much violent crime
* midfavila
shrugs?
<kris_>
americans are very violent indeed
<midfavila>
this is independent of any moral arguments, it's just my view on things as a result of history
<kris_>
i've been told that i need to be more aggressive infact instead of just ignoring things and not escalating
<kris_>
like it's part of american culture to be hostile
<kris_>
fundamentally
<midfavila>
actually i had a friend from alaska visit me
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<midfavila>
and i was super taken aback by how assertive they were
<midfavila>
lol
<sewn>
could u plz elaborate
<kris_>
just means they like you
<midfavila>
everyone here, even in the midwest, which is like, snow alabama, is very...
<midfavila>
idk
<midfavila>
reserved?
<midfavila>
cold?
<kris_>
in my hometown in the rural south you keep your head down and dont talk to people you dont know
<midfavila>
and there's a lot of
<kris_>
you dont look at them, you dont even think about them
<kris_>
it's a threat if you do
<midfavila>
i guess emphasis on manners
<kris_>
here in chicago people are so social its weird
<midfavila>
although that's passed for some people, unfortunately
<midfavila>
ALSO
<kris_>
like people will just walk up to me and talk to me like i'm their best friend
<midfavila>
THEY KEEP CUTTING THE QUEUE
<midfavila>
WHY
<kris_>
cutting the queue?
<midfavila>
YES
<midfavila>
PEOPLE CUT THE LINE HERE
<midfavila>
ALL THE TIME
<midfavila>
WHAT WOULD POSSESS SOMEONE TO PERVERT THE SANCTITY OF QUEUEING?
* midfavila
screams
<sewn>
flabbergasted..
<midfavila>
like holy shit dude just wait five seconds
<kris_>
yeah uh
<midfavila>
SERIOUSLY
<kris_>
you do something like that here someone's gonna beat your ass
<midfavila>
you have no idea how mad i get when people cut the queue
<midfavila>
sometimes, if i've had a really bad day, i'll even...
* midfavila
looks around
<midfavila>
...politely inform them that there's a line
<kris_>
canadians are so adorable
<midfavila>
just as a way to let out a little anger
<kris_>
like it's just so odd talking to canadians they're so nice
<midfavila>
no we are not
<midfavila>
>:c
<kris_>
compare to here
<midfavila>
you're just mean
<midfavila>
hrmmmmph
<kris_>
europeans are also adorable
<kris_>
like i happen to interact with primarily europeans
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<sewn>
ive never met a canadian and ive only talked to one european in my life
<sewn>
must be nice seeing other cultures
<kris_>
i dont know how to describe that, it's just such a soft feeling compared to talking to americans
<kris_>
when i say adorable i dont want that to come off wrong
<midfavila>
sewn youve met me
<kris_>
it's just soft and really nice
<midfavila>
qwq
<sewn>
well i mean in person
<midfavila>
im your internet friend
<midfavila>
your internet computer friend
<midfavila>
that counts
<sewn>
online nationality doesnt matter
<sewn>
s/online/online,
<kris_>
russians on cs:go would like to have a discussion with you
<sewn>
csgo is dead
<kris_>
out of my like 2500 hours playing EU counterstrike, russians are so similar to americans
<kris_>
just behaviorally
<kris_>
everyone else is extremely different
<sewn>
personally ive never taken notice
<sewn>
i just play :3
<midfavila>
just reacts to shapes and colours
<midfavila>
in the bingbongs
<sewn>
me
<kris_>
occasionally movement as well
<kris_>
sewn it's hard for me to not notice
<kris_>
we're just on average way too different from the rest of the world to not
<sewn>
i can say the same when i do it in person
<midfavila>
kris_ canada will accept american refugees once the black-bagging escalates further
<midfavila>
you can come hang out with us >:O
<sewn>
mid what do you think of my comment
<kris_>
is that something they actually said
<kris_>
because like dude please
<midfavila>
no unfortunately
<kris_>
fml
<midfavila>
also sewn what comment
<midfavila>
kris_: the government *has* issued multiple safety warnings about entering the states though
<midfavila>
...despite not changing the status of the USA on the travel site
<kris_>
yeah this shit is fucked
<midfavila>
it's still listed as "safe"
<sewn>
midfavila: "canada is just filled with indians"
<midfavila>
that we should take "normal" security precautions
<kris_>
trans women are being held at airports and having their passports taken from them
<kris_>
they're literally not allowed out of the country rn
<kris_>
like it's *crazy* what's going on here
<midfavila>
sewn: i met a guy from delhi who moved here and asked me why there were no canadians working at tim hortons (canadian cafe chain)
<midfavila>
so
<midfavila>
???
<midfavila>
make of that what you will
<midfavila>
i used to work with him at a c-store
<midfavila>
idk it depends on the province
<midfavila>
in new brunswick there are a lot of new immigrants from india because it's easier to get your residency permit if you move to poorer or less populated regions
<midfavila>
and a lot of people use student visas as a way to get citizenship later on
<midfavila>
which is fine to be clear
<kris_>
>student visa
<kris_>
hmm
<midfavila>
but then if you go out west to, for example, SK, there's like five indian people in the entire province
<midfavila>
yet everyone acts like we're new new delhi
<midfavila>
and it's ridiculous
<kris_>
yknow, given i'm about to go back to uni
<midfavila>
tuition is way cheaper here
<midfavila>
even as an international student
<midfavila>
so
<midfavila>
just saying
<sewn>
ok now i might consider canada
<kris_>
well unless trump fucking bungles it it's free for me
* midfavila
sniffs
<midfavila>
it's interesting how different the regions in canada are from each other though
<kris_>
the way its always been here is that things like healthcare and uni and otherwise are free if you literally just can't afford it
<midfavila>
like the midwest has a lot of slavic influence
<kris_>
no debt
<midfavila>
the far west has a lot of asian influence
<kris_>
so like my 2 year stint in uni that i finished up a while ago i actually got *paid* for
<midfavila>
the far east has lots of celtic influence
<kris_>
like i got to keep excess money i didnt use on it to do whatever with
<kris_>
because they give you a set amount
<midfavila>
and then ontario is somewhat english and quebec is obviously *very* french
<midfavila>
kris_: i hate to say it but it's similar here
<midfavila>
medicare is a shell of what it used to be
<midfavila>
we still have free at point of use hospitals at least
<midfavila>
they wont charge you 50$ for an aspirin
<midfavila>
or 39.95 to hold your baby
<midfavila>
or whatever
<midfavila>
but aside from that medicare doesn't cover jack
<kris_>
im less concerned about the free part and more concerned about the part of american hospitals regulations that allow hospitals to charge quite literally whatever they please for anything they want
<midfavila>
unless you're on social assistance in which case you get extended coverage
<midfavila>
kris_: don't move to ontario or saskatchewan then
<kris_>
right now i have state provided healthcare/dental
<kris_>
because i dont make enough money
<midfavila>
i wish that was how it worked here
<kris_>
i can get anything at all that i want done for free at the moment
<midfavila>
you have to be on our equivalent to SNAP before they'll even consider you for extended insurance
<kris_>
the US' social programs were pretty fucking good
<midfavila>
and the cutoff for income assistance programs is so low that even if you get a part time job they revoke your benefits package
<kris_>
who knows how it is now
<kris_>
i mean even housing costs you nothing
<kris_>
or costed you nothing*
<midfavila>
the US was good when it basically had central planning
<midfavila>
lmfao
<midfavila>
that's the dirty secret nobody talks about
<midfavila>
the "wartime economy" was literally just the government telling companies what and how much of a thing to produce
<kris_>
like for as long as i can remember up until the past few months, if you genuinely just didnt have money to pay for shit you didn't *need* to have money to pay for shit
<midfavila>
and saying "do it"
<kris_>
there's a midrange where people get fucked though
<midfavila>
yeah...
<kris_>
like if you make over XYZ amount you dont qualify for state insurance but your job at that level may not provide insurance
<kris_>
but in the state i live in now its a bit different
<midfavila>
yep
<midfavila>
it's similar here
<kris_>
i can make a bunch of money and my monthly bill goes from nothing to like XYZ amount per month
<kris_>
it's still going to be very affordable
<midfavila>
i work a full-time white collar position so i make enough to not qualify for public benefits but my job doesn't have a package
<kris_>
yeah thats ass
<midfavila>
so even though groceries cost almost as much as my fucking rent, i still have to pay for dental work
<midfavila>
and glasses
<midfavila>
and medication
<midfavila>
and transit
<midfavila>
and so on
<kris_>
it's morally acceptable to steal food you know
<midfavila>
yeah but that would require i go to walmart
<kris_>
as long as its from some bullshit corpo chain
<kris_>
ya exactly
<midfavila>
and i would rather support my local co-op
<midfavila>
besides, the co-op is cheaper
<midfavila>
and i get dividends
<midfavila>
...also there's no weird freaky stuff happening at the co-op
<kris_>
groceries are moderately expensive here
<kris_>
dude tell me about it walmart is fucking nuts
<midfavila>
>eggs
<kris_>
i didnt know you guys had walmart
<midfavila>
yeah unfortunately we have walmart
<kris_>
midfavila im gonna be honest
<midfavila>
i wish we didnt
<kris_>
it's not that bad
<midfavila>
every place walmart opens a store in dies
<kris_>
at least like right where i live sincerely it isnt bad
<midfavila>
i watched a video on it the other day actually
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
as for groceries
<midfavila>
not counting ready meals or takeout or w/e
<midfavila>
i have spent probably 500$ on my food this month
<midfavila>
and i don't buy fancy shit
<midfavila>
this is all store brand basics
<midfavila>
bread, milk, eggs, some frozen fruit instead of fresh, potatoes, carrots, onions
<midfavila>
i've switched from chicken to pork because chicken is too expensive now
<midfavila>
and that's like pretty normal here
<midfavila>
the average yearly grocery expense for two adults and two kids is like 17kCAD iirc
<kris_>
ive been eating like 600 calories per day for almost a year so my personal food costs are low
<kris_>
as for my family as a whole, its also probably pretty low because my dad is practically a chef
<kris_>
also i understand that 600 is low incase someone comments but if i dont feel hungry i dont feel hungry
<kris_>
$500 seems kind of high to me but i figure that's CAD
<midfavila>
yes that's cad
<midfavila>
also
<midfavila>
you should be eating twice that
<midfavila>
bare minimum
<midfavila>
ur gonna waste away brosk
<midfavila>
i
<midfavila>
fwiw i need to eat a fair amount even just to maintain so that's also a contributing factor
<kris_>
idk its like sleepy for me
<kris_>
i just don't feel it
<kris_>
i know it's time to eat when my blood sugar drops
<midfavila>
my dietitian wants me to eat a minimum of 2600cal a day
<midfavila>
so
* midfavila
bigshrugs
<kris_>
like right now i'm also running on an uptime of around 35 hours
<midfavila>
and most of that somehow has to be protein
<midfavila>
wha
<midfavila>
go to bed
<midfavila>
rn
<kris_>
no
<kris_>
it's 3pm
<midfavila>
i'm gonna tuck you in
<kris_>
i'm not sleepy
<kris_>
get outta here
<midfavila>
>:c
<kris_>
i intend on staying up for at minimum another 6-7 hours
<kris_>
and then i'll take something to knock myself out
<midfavila>
do you get your 600 calories from nothing but energy drinks
<midfavila>
or something
<kris_>
i drink gfuel so no
<kris_>
15 calories per serving, i have 2 per day
<kris_>
most of them come from like microwave chimichangas and stuff
<kris_>
occasionally a tuna sandwich
<kris_>
i just don't ever feel hungry i don't know what to tell you
<kris_>
i feel like if i needed to eat id feel hungry
<midfavila>
bruh
<midfavila>
caffeine is an appetite suppressant you know
<midfavila>
but fair enough ig
<kris_>
i love that librewolf has been pretty repetitively crashing for me for like 2 weeks now
<kris_>
it's not common but it's generally like once per day
<midfavila>
i wish lighter weight browsers were still viable for most websites
<midfavila>
any time i want to use a relatively normie-friendly site i have to use the latest firefox or chrome
<midfavila>
even pale moon isn't good enough any more
<midfavila>
:\
<sad_plan>
kris_: youll get no sympathy from me regarding browser crashes though. luakit and surf has been crashing on occations for as long as I can remember :')
<farkuhar>
I don't mind limiting my web browsing to the sites that are supported in lynx. Anything that lynx doesn't render, probably has too low a signal-to-noise ratio.
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<sad_plan>
im impressed by the fact that if I run ncompress to compress a file filled by /dev/random, it ends up bigger than the original file
<sad_plan>
I created a file with random data which eneded up at 783.5M, and after compressing with ncompress, its not 960.6M. lol
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<EliSoli>
Yo hi everybody
<kris_>
hi
<EliSoli>
I'm trying to send a file thru Whatsapp and my Firefox file-picker is not working, so firefox clashes. So I thought about copying it with wayclip and pasting in Whatsapp
<EliSoli>
but it seems not to work like images. What mimetype should I give to waycopy?
<EliSoli>
image/png works fine for images
<EliSoli>
my file is a pdf
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<kris_>
run `file --mime .profile`
<kris_>
or whatever other file
<kris_>
^ checked on my .profile to make sure i wasn't about to give you a bogus command
<kris_>
if for some reason that doesn't spit it out, it's application/pdf