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<sewn> Vova: it's ok
<sewn> I didn't try it though but its nothing special
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<midfavila> hey nerds
<riteo> wassup mid
<sewn> hi mid
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<sad_plan> Vova: it reminds me of kiss. havent really check the sources. theres another somewhat similar one called tincan linux, which has a package manager written in rust iirc
<Vova> sounds good
<Vova> I'm missing kiss way too much tbh
<Vova> I'm currently running alpine and writing a spec of the kiss Linux package manager
<Vova> I'll try to push it by the end of next week
<Vova> also started to write a "spec test suite" to check whether different implementations are compliant
<sad_plan> echawk made something along those lines aswell https://github.com/echawk/kiss-spec
<sad_plan> but nice to see some work on the kiss side
<sad_plan> why arent you using kiss anyway?
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<Vova> I was ! for years, but got a new job, had to install a bunch of devops related shits and yeah got too lazy so switched to alpine temporary until I make packages for every stuff I needed, and ended up never doing ut
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<sad_plan> I see. couldnt you just use a chroot for this? or install apk on top of kiss? :p
<Vova> speaking of, why not automatically build kiss packages on codeberg and provide a tar.gz or something, so if you got a weak CPU you can simply grab the tar and put it in your builded packages cache
<Vova> I could lmao, but yeah just went lazy
<Vova> what worse is that I ended up doing a small virtualized fedora with qemu, so technically I could just move the qcow image and be good
<sad_plan> we could, but i think its more because users should instead build their own packages. having binary packages could still be benefitial though
<sad_plan> lol, yeah you could absolutely have done that
<sad_plan> hm, alice uses spm, which seems much simpler than what kiss is. its also less than half its size. maybe I can reference this in my attempt to write a shitty package manager in rc
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<shield82791> hi
<sad_plan> hi
<kris_> hi
<sad_plan> kris_: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<kris_> sad_plan aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<shield82791> is there a better solution for bouncing irc on android
<kris_> set up a bouncer on a vps
<shield82791> is that a joke
<kris_> no
<shield82791> Ö
<sad_plan> shield82791: you can use goguma for a bouncer, as opposed to using termux or similar solutions
<shield82791> im using goguma
<kris_> goguma never likes to stay active in the background for me
<kris_> it just silently dips
<kris_> so i just connect it to my soju on my vps
<sad_plan> vps is also an option, pico.sh gives bouncer for a fee
<shield82791> it logs out right when i minimize
<sad_plan> kris_: yeah, it was somewhat buggy for me aswell
<kris_> it behaves similar for me as well
<kris_> despite my phone having 12gb of ram
<kris_> nothing should get killed
<kris_> revolution didn't do this, need to try that out w soju
<shield82791> something something termux
<sad_plan> shield82791: a bouncer is what you need. project segfault has a free one
<shield82791> I do not like irc
<sad_plan> theres also pubnixes like tilde sites
<shield82791> why is this so much work
<kris_> set up soju once and a cron to handle your certs via certbot and dont think about it again
<sad_plan> its not much work at all. just open your client, and connect to the server(s) and channel(s) you want
<shield82791> yeah no
<shield82791> every time i minimize the app i lose all the messages
<sad_plan> the use project segfault, or tilde. pr has a bouncer, so all you need is to connect, and itll stay connected for you on the server
<sad_plan> just hit them an email for an account, and read the docs for the bouncer part. sewn uses them, he might chime in on some details
<sewn> project segfault just needs you to sign in with the pubnix
<sad_plan> I just use tilde.club, and ssh into their server, with a tmux session running
<sad_plan> using a bouncer is the least cumbersome way imo
<sewn> tilde.club technically isnt a bouncer sad_plan, just an 24/7 irc client that you connect to.
<sewn> personally i have moved to my own bouncer so i can do FILEHOST
<kris_> how does that work
<sad_plan> they offer a bouncer on znc iirc, but I dont use it.
<sewn> pico.sh no longer host a bouncer, it is now a premium
<kris_> ive seen some new irc clients that do things like embed images by default
<kris_> is that proxied by the bouncer
<sad_plan> probably
<sewn> kris_: FILEHOST allows the bouncer to store images using HTTPS
<kris_> because if not that's kinda concerning lol
<kris_> neat
<sad_plan> images also seems superflous, irc is text only
<kris_> well yes but it just auto embeds links
<sewn> therye not images only sad_plan
<sewn> you can do logs n any other type of file
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<sewn> > <kris_> set up soju once and a cron to handle your certs
<sewn> :(
<kris_> ?
<sewn> what happened to using tlstunnel
<kris_> eh
<sad_plan> I thought you liked soju sewn
<sewn> i like soju
<sewn> i am using soju
<sad_plan> then whats the problem?
<sewn> cron to handle certs
<kris_> well i don't use "cron"
<kris_> i use snooze
<kris_> if that makes it any better lmao
<sewn> tlstunnel is a tls reverse proxy
<sewn> that manages your ssl certs as well
<sad_plan> you can use a for loop C:
<kris_> funny thing
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<kris_> certbot doesn't return ! 0 when it fails to renew certs because it doesnt need to renew
<sewn> shush
<sewn> tlstunnel today
<kris_> nuh uh
<kris_> im not touching it, it works
<sad_plan> if it aint broke, dont fix it
<kris_> i do need to set up per client history though because it's annoying to go from my desktop to phone and lose context
<kris_> or vice versa
<sewn> i hate people who are afraid of changing for the better brah
<kris_> it's not even really better though
<sewn> if you only host *just* soju
<sewn> then it might work fine i GUESS
<sewn> but if you do a meriad of other services then it will be handy
<sewn> especially proxying
<kris_> meh
<sewn> like i am for b.sewn.moe/upload dawg
<kris_> xbps repo / website / searxng / soju
<shield82791> does use nvidia here
<shield82791> anyone
<sewn> kris_: yeah you should def be using tlstunnel
<sewn> shield82791: gkiss users
<shield82791> sewn: where are they
<sewn> the original userbase of gkiss used to be all nvidia but then we moved on to radeon
<sad_plan> shield82791: I do on my desktop, but also gkiss if you want properietary drivers
<shield82791> sad_plan: they dont work
<shield82791> the nvidia package doesnt work
<sewn> the drivers work you just cant build them ^ ^
<kris_> i wonder if the bc package still fails to build
<shield82791> yep
<shield82791> some lib garbage
<sewn> wait grepo is out of date
<shield82791> function is undefined
<sad_plan> shield82791: then figure out what lib is mising, and install it
<sewn> grepo is actually out of date, usually the repo is updated by hand by testuser
<sewn> but testuser is no longer here
<sewn> oh man thats concerning
<shield82791> sad_plan: its a function of a version of a progran that is installed
<shield82791> dma something
<shield82791> idk look at the error i sent
<sewn> perhaps you might have some luck on the irc archives shield
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<sad_plan> sewn: gkiss isnt that far of. its only a month since last commit. shouldnt be too bad to get going again
<sewn> yeah it shouldnt be too bad but still
<sewn> testuseeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr
<kris_> i wonder how much of an impact chimeras memcpy patch makes generally
<sad_plan> is obivously busy not working on gkiss
<kris_> or if its just such a massive bump with makewhatis
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<sad_plan> kris_: what patch?
<sewn> sad_plan: let me whine bruh
<kris_> sad_plan chimera linuxs memcpy patches for msul
<sad_plan> sewn: no, go wine instead
<kris_> s/msul/musl
<sad_plan> ah
<kris_> ^
<sewn> its for optimization essentially
<kris_> q66 had claimed like 30% improvements
<kris_> im just curious what all that applies to
<sad_plan> thats a bold statement
<kris_> i built with that patch but havent bothered trying it yet
<kris_> this is where she said that
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<kris_> i also wonder about benefits from mimalloc
<kris_> that's not somethind id do personally but maybe scudo
<sad_plan> interesting
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<Vova> what about using mimalloc with musl too, like chimera does
<sad_plan> curious as to why glaucus hasnt imported this, as he's all about that performance
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<sewn> he does use mimalloc
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<sad_plan> I see
<sad_plan> I meant the patch though
<sewn> that he isnt aware of
<sad_plan> most likely
<kris_> i just wonder under what conditions i'd notice a faster malloc impl
<kris_> because right now i'm just using straight up vanilla musl
<sewn> if youre a robot
<kris_> idk someone packaged musl + mimalloc for void and it seems very much not noticeable
<sad_plan> kris_: also not all performance enhancements are noticable unless you specifically benchmark it
<kris_> yeah that's kinda what im getting at
<sad_plan> say even a 10% increase might even be noticable
<sewn> perhaps in a context such as a browser it will be more noticable
<sad_plan> perhaps
<sad_plan> oh, I think I figured out why luakit crashes. it segfaults for some reason...
<sewn> heh
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<sewn> ou
<sewn> testuser is bac
<sewn> hes merging a pr and pushing to community
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<shield82791> helo
<shield82791> HELLOOOOOOO LADIES WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!
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<riteo> wat
<sewn> it tends to happen
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