<kris_>
i always forget about that thing honestly so ig ill still be here lmao
<riteo>
lol
<riteo>
it's actually more of an home-oven pizza, the thicker kind, but it's super, SUPER, common here
<kris_>
openwrt is really weird so far
<riteo>
people ate them all the time when I was in high school (they even sold them there)
<riteo>
kris_: why?
<riteo>
is it hard to setup
<kris_>
it would be if you weren't already into linux
<kris_>
but that's not really the thing
<kris_>
>it doesn't boot, set a loglevel to try to see what's going on, suddenly it boots
<kris_>
>that's weird
<kris_>
>remove loglevel, doesn't boot
<riteo>
ouch
<riteo>
cursed
<kris_>
yeah idk what the hell that's about
<kris_>
i also dont like luci all that much but itll do
<kris_>
i say today is going to be a long day, i was playing with this yesterday with my existing network as WAN and couldn't get IPs off of my AP
<kris_>
via ethernet is fully functional so im going to drop it in place and play with it from my desktop since im tired of running across my house to tweak things
<kris_>
my ass has like 6 hours to get this fully functional
<riteo>
I feel you, had similar fun with a server once I put it farther than like 10 meters from my desktop
<kris_>
i fully expect to be like fuck it and install openbsd by the end of the day
<kris_>
since that's what i normally use on routers and can set it up from memory instead of having to learn how to use openwrt effectively
<riteo>
oh I've never heard of a router with openbsd
<riteo>
but that makes a lot of sense
<riteo>
that would be a really fancy router, which would be appropriate for the situation lol
<kris_>
openbsd just already has everything you need to route out of the box
<kris_>
they have an OK example on the website here
<riteo>
that's really nice
<kris_>
yeah i dont get the loglevel thing, i guess openwrt just wants to talk to me
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<midfavila>
kris_: it's lonely
<midfavila>
:c
<kris_>
I'm about to have a stroke trying to get any internet connection whatsoever with openwrt
<midfavila>
riteo: acquire lte
<midfavila>
what's the problem kris_?
<midfavila>
i have a little experience with owrt
<midfavila>
i use it at work and home so
<kris_>
I havent the first clue
<kris_>
its all just stock, connected wan to my modem
<midfavila>
let me rephrase: what are you trying to accomplish?
<kris_>
I figure it should just kick alive
<midfavila>
oh huh
<midfavila>
that's odd yeah
<kris_>
my Asus router *did* just kick alive
<midfavila>
i can't say i've ever run into that before
<midfavila>
did you check #openwrt
<midfavila>
?
<kris_>
I figure I'll have to go in there and bug some people shortly
<kris_>
but like I was saying earlier I expect to just end up installing openbsd
<kris_>
openwrt kinda sucks so far
<midfavila>
just checked one of those wallops
<midfavila>
they're using fucking llms on libera
<midfavila>
"Historically we have been reluctant to make use of machine learning in our tooling, but we’re not unreasonable, and the latest large language models are capable of replacing subject matter experts, just like every generation of LLMs since GPT3. We have been assured by key figures in the software development industry that long-standing issues with hallucinations have been worked out and that the
<midfavila>
amount of effort needed for human review is now an order of magnitude less than the amount of effort needed for a human to do those same tasks in the first place."
<midfavila>
bruh
<midfavila>
this is the same tech that was advising people to use glue to make cheese stick to pizza not that long ago
<midfavila>
did you see that riteo
<midfavila>
glue pizza
<midfavila>
this is in the context of them burning out which is important to acknowledge but like
<midfavila>
what the fuck man
<midfavila>
just have an FAQ
<midfavila>
for newbie questions
<midfavila>
sorry to cut you off kris_ i just saw that and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<midfavila>
but yeah go bug #openwrt and if harassing them doesn't get anywhere i would try something else
<midfavila>
some hardware can be finnicky
<midfavila>
oh my god they're giving the llm privileged access
<kris_>
I sent a message in there but bluntly I'm on a time limit and even getting openwrt to boot was weird
<midfavila>
immediately after the paragraph about totally figuring out the glue pizza situation they admit that sometimes the LLM just won't work and sometimes it'll generate bullshit
<kris_>
and luci is kind of awful
<midfavila>
but if this is for a noob then they won't know it's bullshit
<midfavila>
aaaaaaaaaaaaa
<sewn>
hi mid
<midfavila>
hello sewn
<midfavila>
kris_: luci can be annoying
<kris_>
less annoying and more straight up bad
<kris_>
a theme might fix it, the main problem for me is just how disorganized it is
<midfavila>
tbh i prefer it over pfsense or whatever's interface
<kris_>
WHAT
<kris_>
I REBOOTED THE FUCKING MODEM AND OFF IT GOES
<midfavila>
linux moment
<midfavila>
well as long as it works now
<kris_>
I'm fucking pissed
<kris_>
I've been tweaking settings for like two hours
<kris_>
alright, I'm going to reinstall openwrt now that I've figured it out as my OCD dictates
<kris_>
so the setup is clean lol
<riteo>
midfavila: yea I've been looking at ai-related news for a while and not the "nice" kind
<midfavila>
honestly the more i look at everything going on in the world the less i want to have anything to do with the web and social media and like
<midfavila>
people involved with either
<midfavila>
i swear to god the only computer anything that the average person should have should be a desk calculator
<midfavila>
the effect the tech sector has had on broader society has been fucking cancerous
<riteo>
nah, people should have more than a desk calculator, it's phones that are turning people dumb, and for reasons completely unrelated to social media, unlike what the boomers thing
<midfavila>
social media is absolutely part of the problem
<riteo>
depends what problem
<riteo>
people don't know what a file is mid
<riteo>
that's not a social media thing
<midfavila>
i have to use facebook at work and i seriously can't go two pages without people screeching at me about immigrants
<midfavila>
yes i know that's a stupid thing
<midfavila>
i'm more concerned about the fact that facebook and twitter etc place enormous control over what people think into the hands of billionaires
<riteo>
meh
<riteo>
tv was before that
<midfavila>
TV had far more regulation
<midfavila>
and tends to be more insular
<midfavila>
there's no "algorithm"
<midfavila>
just a catalogue of channels
<midfavila>
on twitter, you get shit shoved in your face whether you want it or not, because elon said so
<riteo>
yeah it's definitely more granular
<riteo>
I'd argue that, surprisingly, it's one of the lesser problems nowadays and that's a fucking awful problem
<midfavila>
i really honestly am gonna have to 100% disagree with you
<riteo>
fair
<midfavila>
people are fucking insane now and it's in large part because of narrative control
<riteo>
I've completely dissociated myself from this stuff so you definitely have a clearer view about the issue
<riteo>
I can't even stand TV go figure
<midfavila>
like everything else that goes on is directly downstream from this
<riteo>
btw I'd love to keep discussing about this but I gotta go to do something terribly important
<riteo>
it's related to the out-of-the-house scare
<midfavila>
we've gone from pretty much everyone understanding that climate change is a thing and also an issue to the governments of the world celebrating CO2 as being good for agro
<midfavila>
yeah don't let me keep you
<riteo>
we'll talk later, if all goes well
<riteo>
cya
<midfavila>
for sure
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<kris_>
riteo idk if you're here atm, but man my head is killing me
<kris_>
but i got everything set up, finally.
<kris_>
very nearly 12 hours straight working on this, and now it's time to finally eat for the day
<farkuhar>
kris_: congratulations on your persistence! I bet it feels good to be done with the openwrt configuration. Enjoy your well-deserved meal.
<kris_>
farkuhar most of it was actually dealing with vlans on this switch
<kris_>
but yeah, glad it's done for and it was a good experience anyway
<kris_>
this was a total migration from a consumer asus router to business class switch, access point, split off modem, and openwrt on a thin client