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<kris_> a
<sad_plan> a
<kris_> i wonder if there are wny decent alternatives to jellyfin
<kris_> (just outright playing media files is not an option)
<kris_> jellyfin is a little bit annoying because of the dotnet requirement
<kris_> i found this but ive never heard of it until now
<sad_plan> emby perhaps? or kodi?
<sad_plan> https://alternativeto.net/software/jellyfin/ maybe you can find something else here
<kris_> emby is proprietary last i checked which makes it a nogo for me
<kris_> i havent used kodi before, might have to look into it
<sad_plan> hm, couldve sworn it was foss, but ok. kodi is foss atleast, and afaik, its pretty decent
<kris_> it seems like at some point it was?
<kris_> the github was last updated 7 years ago
<sad_plan> wierd
<sad_plan> 21.2 was built on flatak 18 days ago, so maybe they switched hosting?
<kris_> i dont know, i just know that it's similar to plex now where people are like buying licenses for it
<kris_> which i am very much not okay with on its own
<sad_plan> https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc this is the one
<sad_plan> its linked from their website
<sad_plan> dunno why its named like this, but I recall the name when i read it..
<kris_> yeah kodi is potentially an option
<kris_> not to mention, void has kodi packaged already
<kris_> which is what i run on my servers and why i'm not super happy with using jellyfin at the moment
<sad_plan> plex is afaik also good, but its not foss. and yeah, licencing shit is also not ideal
<sad_plan> give kodi a go, maybe itll suit you just fine
<kris_> the issue here is just the OS' i'm okay with using for this
<kris_> void has no dotnet, so no jellyfin
<kris_> alpine has jellyfin already packaged, issue is that it's alpine and i'll have to run it in a container because mullvads vpn client is a hard requirement for me as opposed to just straight up wireguard
<kris_> debian is a *mess* with dependencies and packages get way way too old even with security patches, so i would be forced to use debian testing if i go that route but it has both things
<kris_> containers *are* a simple solution but meh
<kris_> i guess nixos is also an option but that's so irrationally overkill
<kris_> actually hm, jellyfin has generic builds
<kris_> i guess i could package it and pull those as an upstream, they even have generic builds for musl
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<kris_> ^ ended up just doing that
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<sewn> hi kris
<kris_> hi sewn
<sewn> :3
<kris_> considering abusing github actions to build packages for me
<kris_> and basically be my xbps repo via github pages
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<sewn> you use void?
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<chungstoin> hello
<sewn> hai
<chungstoin> wassup
<chungstoin> kiss sounds amazing
<chungstoin> I'm trying to install it rn
<chungstoin> do open source nvidia drivers work on it
<chungstoin> I can't find anyone really talking about nouveau support on musl
<chungstoin> if I can't get it to work I'll just use gkiss though
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<sewn> chungstoin: you can use gkiss ofc
<sewn> dont use nouveau
<sewn> its kinda bad atm
<chungstoin> what's bad rn
<sewn> well power management and graphics
<chungstoin> is it like unusable or something
<sewn> no just not exactly the greatest
<chungstoin> oh
<sewn> graphics especially
<chungstoin> is it only really problematic for high end games or something?
<sewn> i havent tried low end games
<sewn> but if your graphics card is high end enough it can run low end games at maybe 60fps
<chungstoin> gamedev is the most important thing to my pc rn so like blender, godot
<sewn> ohhell no dont use nouveau then
<sewn> casual gaming is fine but if thats your profession i would not do that
<chungstoin> well I only do retro stuff
<sewn> well you can shoot yourself in the foot if you want
<sewn> lol
<chungstoin> oy if I wasn't in the middle of a kiss install I would take your advice
<chungstoin> would have
<sewn> kiss is very simple to install
<chungstoin> yeah
<sewn> so switching now is easier most likely
<sewn> especially if you have ccache already setup
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<kris_> aaaa
<kris_> ^2
<riteo> wahoo
<riteo> got a thin client for cheap
<riteo> me happy
<kris_> whatdya get
<riteo> "only" 2 gigs of ram, but who ever needed more than that :P
<riteo> one sex
<riteo> sec
<riteo> crap
<sewn> sex.
<riteo> dell wyse 3030
<kris_> lmao
<riteo> yes you heard that right, I got one sex at the used market
<riteo> not two, not three
<riteo> ONE se
<riteo> x
<kris_> condition: mint
<sewn> you negociated
<riteo> I didn't because I... kinda didn't think about it
<kris_> the client was thin as well
<riteo> looked at the price and was like "that's fine"
<kris_> what do you plan on using the 3030 for?
<riteo> kris_: sounds perfect as a server honestly
<riteo> got gbit and an usb 3.0 port
<riteo> also an internal unused m2 slot for wifi stuff
<riteo> also great as a media box
<riteo> its got 2 displayport outputs and I think that it would go quite well for streaming DRM crap to the "smart" tv with all the crap out of date
<riteo> I mean it's a thin client it should be enough for decoding video shouldn't it
<kris_> i wouldnt expect to transcode on it
<kris_> but i imagine it should >play back video
<riteo> yea
<riteo> the netflics, the amazoon primos and all that weird stuff out there
<kris_> alternatively: selfhost jellyfin
<kris_> assuming you have a bunch of storage :p
<riteo> yea but then I should get the videos somehow...
<riteo> and I'd rather not start a sailing adventure just for some random series my mom watches
<riteo> I don't really do that, it'd be more for my mom
<kris_> private trackers have spoiled me personally
<sewn> ooh what are private trackers
<kris_> i never have to like actually look for shit anymore
<riteo> yea I can imagine
<riteo> do you have to keep a quota or something
<kris_> you have to seed XYZ amount or XYZ amount of time
<kris_> it varies by tracker
<kris_> generally you just keep a positive ratio and you're fine but you *have* to seedc
<kris_> sewn invite only torrent trackers
<kris_> for the most part you have to know someone who already has access to get in
<kris_> riteo idk i imagine it can definitely play back video
<kris_> what do you intend on hosting on it if you server it up
<riteo> other stuff
<riteo> tbh I'd like to partition stuff into different machines
<riteo> like I could definitely put this out to the outside world
<riteo> I don't feel like hooking the fast cool NAS with all my sensitive data to the outside world
<riteo> not even with minimal software and good user separation
<riteo> I think I'm just paranoid but... I still have to figure out what I have and make good use of it
<riteo> like I still have a dead laptop in the drawer that I could use too
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<kris_> yeah that's a positive to having actual vlan support
<kris_> gotta treat anything truly publicly exposed as toxic waste
<riteo> yea
<riteo> although isn't vlan like exploitable
<riteo> with packet spoofing and weird things
<kris_> potentially
<riteo> wouldn't a firewall be better suited then
<sewn> what does it track kris
<riteo> sewn: you could see a tracker as a torrent index
<riteo> when you want to torrent something it tells you where to connect IIRC
<riteo> speeds up peer detection
<riteo> if you can even detect in the first place
<sewn> ooh u wan
<sewn> I want
<sewn> oh wait nvm I don't torrent
<riteo> yea me neither
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<kris_> riteo: generally you want both
<kris_> the switch should be segmenting traffic and the router provides a subnet for those devices
<kris_> you can have inter vlan routing via some funky firewall stuff but generally you just want no connection
<kris_> the point of a vlan is more to tell your router to put those devices somewhere else
<riteo> kris_: yea but if you can spoof vlan packets then is it really secure
<kris_> i think at that point you're mostly just putting trust in your switch firmware and otherwise
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<sad_plan> sewn: what makes you say that noveoau is so terrible as you say? last time i checked which was couple months ago or something, it worked fine. I had no issues with it. appart from not seeing the gpu temp, which was annoying
<sad_plan> did something happen just recently with it?
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<sad_plan> also; kris_ please abuse github to build your xpbs stuff :p i have thought about doing something similar for a binary part of my repo, or somethingsomething
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<kris_> sad_plan yeah im not sure how private keys are handled in that scenario
<kris_> obviously the private key for my package signing shouldnt leave my desktop at all, id rather github not have access to that
<kris_> using github would definitely be the most seamless approach for this though given all id have to do is update my packages template on github and the rest is automatic
<kris_> so just edit the template, wait a little bit, and update all of my systems
<kris_> i found this post which is what inspired this idea
<sad_plan> nice
<sad_plan> I dont see any reason why we shouldnt abuse github here. cost m$ some extra cash does not bother me one bit
<kris_> its definitely based but there are ratelimits
<sad_plan> well, just watch out for them ratelimits. dont build 200 packages all at once :p
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<chungstoin> how could I fix b3sum checksum mismatch while trying to run kiss update
<chungstoin> I'm very new to downloading distros manually
<sad_plan> chungstoin: kiss c $pkg
<sad_plan> however, if the file you downloaded doesnt match up, might be somethin off with the file, could try to redownload first
<kris_> this ended up working out, all i had to do was set up pages and drop the repo stuff onto that repo
<kris_> works fine as an xbps repository lol
<sad_plan> awesome
<kris_> i may do this with github instead though, i feel no remorse using up microsoft disk space
<kris_> codeberg are real ones so i do kinda feel bad about just hosting files there
<sad_plan> yeah, I get that. codeberg is more of the good guys, so why punish them if we can instead punish M$ instead :p
<chungstoin> I still get the b3sum checksum mismatch error
<chungstoin> while trying to update kiss itself
<chungstoin> so like this https://pastebin.com/yUkZubnV
<sad_plan> chungstoin: cd into the package, and rerun kiss c, this should fix the checksum for the package
<sad_plan> wait, youre using a really old tarball arent you?
<chungstoin> yeah from 2021
<chungstoin> I just want to try it for rn
<chungstoin> oh the codeberg one is very well maintained
<sad_plan> yeah, I guessed that. *upstream* kiss never made the switch to b3sum, and after a while when we supposed all users had made the switch, all checksums were changed to b3sum, which is probably whats the issue here is. although, kiss should iirc, have a fallback for this, but maybe they removed it after all
<sad_plan> exacly. dylan, the creator of kiss, went away, and is now farming instead of coding. so the community picked up the slack instead
<chungstoin> I remember reading that before, it's really nice that there's an active community for this
<chungstoin> thank you
<chungstoin> I'll just download from codeberg and retry everything
<sad_plan> exacly