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<midfavila-laptop> http://0x0.st/-pT6.png
<midfavila-laptop> working on a new theme for shod
<midfavila-laptop> still has some kinks to work out, but I think it's looking alright so far
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<riteo> hiii!
<midfavila-laptop> Hey, Riteo.
<midfavila-laptop> you just missed my super amazing 1337 screenshot
<riteo> nooooooooooooooooooo
<midfavila-laptop> that's right
<midfavila-laptop> and now you'll never get to see it
<midfavila-laptop> unless you somehow have channel logs, but that's impossible
<riteo> furry
<riteo> cool drawing actually
<midfavila-laptop> an astute observation, as always
<midfavila-laptop> and yes, it is
<riteo> it looks mildly familiar
<riteo> is it THAT furry?
<midfavila-laptop> ...probably?
<riteo> wait lemme check
<midfavila-laptop> he makes a lot of music and is fairly well-known
<midfavila-laptop> but I can't recall his name off the top of my head...
<riteo> oh it's probably he then
<midfavila-laptop> renard
<midfavila-laptop> that's it
<riteo> I don't remember the name but I feel like that's him
<riteo> lemme check just in case
<midfavila-laptop> kk
<riteo> yup
<riteo> that's him
* midfavila-laptop nods
<riteo> IIRC they've had a long story
<midfavila-laptop> wouldn't surprise me
<midfavila-laptop> renard's been active on the net for like
<midfavila-laptop> fifteen, sixteen years, I want to say
<midfavila-laptop> yep.
<riteo> she even changed sex AFAICT
<riteo> god those songs are still bangers after a long time
<midfavila-laptop> yeah, renard makes good music.
<riteo> did she make penis music
<riteo> wait a second
<midfavila-laptop> probably.
<midfavila-laptop> like, almost certainly.
<midfavila-laptop> >youtube
<midfavila-laptop> I'm disappointed in you.
<riteo> I still haven't bothered to find a mirror that isn't like extra slow
<riteo> I already use those for everything else though
<midfavila-laptop> instances.invidio.us should help
<riteo> last time I looked they were all slow or banned
* midfavila-laptop shrugs
<riteo> oh now it's quite fast!
<riteo> I chose a pretty small instance and it's great!
<midfavila-laptop> yeah, smaller instances are generally better than larger ones.
<riteo> if only there was a way of redirecting me to those other domains...
<midfavila-laptop> my script randomly redirects traffic to various instances. helps with load distribution... you'd think they would have a "mixer" or something, that served you randomly
<riteo> would editing the hosts file work?
<midfavila-laptop> i tried fiddling with DNS in the past
<midfavila-laptop> i don't recall success
<riteo> the random traffic idea is great
<midfavila-laptop> i have good ideas sometimes
<noocsharp> i feel like i've heard of a protocol which allows you to downloads bits of data from peers in a sort of torrent
<noocsharp> forget what it's called tho
<midfavila-laptop> webtorrent
<riteo> webrtc?
<midfavila-laptop> peertube uses it
<midfavila-laptop> no
<midfavila-laptop> ...maybe..?
<midfavila-laptop> i don't actually know, when it comes to webrtc...
<riteo> peertube uses webrtc though IIRC
<midfavila-laptop> i've only heard of it being used for video calls
<noocsharp> you can download peertube videos over bittorrent
<riteo> oh right it uses webtorrent
<riteo> for some reason I was sure they used WebRTC
<riteo> I'm a bit skeptical about using those p2p youtube instances
<riteo> at least without a VPN
<noocsharp> why?
<riteo> well, you can basically get the view history of an IP with not that many resources
<noocsharp> unfortunately youtube does the same thing
<midfavila-laptop> i was gonna say
<midfavila-laptop> i'd rather a bunch of nobodies who like the same stuff as me have my IP than Google.
<riteo> noocsharp: yes, but everyone can get your history, and it can get way more anonymous with invidious
<riteo> one person hosting the server getting your view history is better than everyone
<noocsharp> how is invidious more anonymous?
<acheam> midfavila-laptop: is that... a compositor?
<midfavila-laptop> it is
<midfavila-laptop> i make regular use of compositors
<midfavila-laptop> they help reduce screentearing, but also I like fading and dropshadows. sue me.
<acheam> see you in small claims court mf
<midfavila-laptop> anyway, invidious proxies your traffic
<acheam> not necessarily
<acheam> most of the time the video is still served by googlevideo.com
<riteo> noocsharp: you connect to youtube along with (preferably a lot of people) to a server that gets the video
<acheam> very few instances proxy video because of the high bandwidth
<midfavila-laptop> ultimately the whole thing is bullshit. you either give your data to google or give it to other people. there's not much else you can do.
<noocsharp> oh, i was under the assumption that that's invidious proxies because the quality seems to be lower
<riteo> oh
<midfavila-laptop> short of like, go to a library, download the video, go back home, watch it
<riteo> so what's different than using google's youtube? Not using JS?
<noocsharp> tor + youtube-dl
<riteo> bruh are you gonna slow youtube-dl down because you're scared that google might see what you're whatching
<riteo> god
<riteo> I'm stupid
<riteo> tor, I meant tor
<noocsharp> indeed
<midfavila-laptop> renard is cancelled
<noocsharp> this is #kisslinux not #furry
<riteo> that's Jackal mid
<noocsharp> we have to draw a line somewhere
<midfavila-laptop> fight me, noocsharp
<midfavila-laptop> rn
<midfavila-laptop> fuckin, tryin' to oppress me
<riteo> noocsharp: you answered yourself, this's #kisslinux
<noocsharp> true
<midfavila> besides,
<midfavila> #furry is too cringe, even for me
<midfavila> i lasted like five minutes before I gave up
<noocsharp> christ, i was hoping your response would be "haha, funny, #furry doesn't exist"
<riteo> it exists?
<midfavila-laptop> Man, I wish that was my response, too.
<midfavila-laptop> Yes.
<midfavila-laptop> It was one of the first channels registered.
<riteo> wow, I don't know why but I didn't expect it here on LiberaChat
<riteo> it's also true that furries are like the backbone of the internet for some reason
<midfavila-laptop> yup.
<riteo> so I should've definitely have expected that
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<riteo> have have
<riteo> I feel like my launcher has reached the "just usable" point
<midfavila-laptop> is it just in shell, or what?
<riteo> just in POSIX* shell
<midfavila-laptop> *
<riteo> still haven't tested
<riteo> although I put /bin/sh as the shebang
<midfavila-laptop> good enough for me
<GalaxyNova> shellcheck it
<riteo> It's still very messy and I could defintely put it through shellcheck and do some proper formatting but it's actually pretty fast at doing stuff like verifying stuff
<riteo> lol I got ninja'd
<riteo> I'm sure it's gonna puke
<GalaxyNova> lol
<riteo> oh it's not that bad
<riteo> I didn't know posix only had = for conditions
<riteo> I thought that == would work fine
<midfavila-laptop> that got me the other day
<riteo> those suggestions are actually way more complete than I expected
<riteo> I quite like it
<riteo> if someone cares I might share it already, although I warn you: it's still very shitty
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<GalaxyNova> riteo: sure
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<midfavila> i'm shocked and disappointed that wmctrl isn't packaged officially
<riteo> GalaxyNova: let me tidy it up a bit then
<riteo> I'll surely keep it unformatted though
<riteo> thinking about it, would it be an issue if I made the help screen similar to the one of KISS?
<GalaxyNova> why would it be an issue
<riteo> I already did my own interpretation of that cool formatting it had with an arrow, like, errors are a red "XX", warnings are a yellow "!!" and info messages are a green "->"
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<riteo> GalaxyNova: I don't know, that's why I ask
<riteo> I know it sounds silly, but maybe it would be considered... Plagiarism?
<midfavila> i get how you feel
<GalaxyNova> idk if using a color scheme is plagiarism
<riteo> not only that
<midfavila> but that's like saying using K&R formatting is plaigarism
<GalaxyNova> it would make the script feel more integrated in kiss
<riteo> midfavila: good point
<riteo> GalaxyNova: that's kinda the idea
<GalaxyNova> i despise K&R formatting btw
<midfavila> also
<midfavila> speaking of packages
<midfavila> next time someone sees git-bruh, can he be asked to remove -t from the uthash buildfile?
<midfavila> it causes issues when using suckless userspace
<GalaxyNova> make an issue on github
<midfavila> i'm not using shithub.
<riteo> It still isn't that much integrated as I'm trying to concentrate more on the implementation than the interface, but it's already relatively configurable with enviroment variables
<GalaxyNova> ok
<GalaxyNova> I'll make an issue then
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<GalaxyNova> riteo: I have an idea for a script
<GalaxyNova> that i could make
<GalaxyNova> basically, it would check to see if a package build file corresponds to the formatting guidelines of KISS
<acheam> nice
<riteo> it'd be a nice addition to the package development tools
<acheam> awk is great for that
<riteo> I mean, we already got the definitions nicely formatted in a shellcheck-y way
<GalaxyNova> Forgot my editor was set on tabs and then pr'ed a package
<GalaxyNova> it was merged and now i feel bad
<riteo> make another pr
<GalaxyNova> a pr just to fix the tabs?
<riteo> why not?
<GalaxyNova> I don't know if amending the commit will cause issues
<riteo> it's not like you pay to make PRs
<riteo> GalaxyNova: is the repo yours?
<GalaxyNova> sure then
<GalaxyNova> yes
<riteo> eh, it depends whether there are people forking it
<GalaxyNova> it's the slang and most packages
<GalaxyNova> that i maintain
<riteo> is this commit very recent?
<GalaxyNova> that have tabs in them instead of spaces
<GalaxyNova> it's 22 days old
<riteo> then don't amend it
<riteo> you're only risking big issues with people that cloned/forked your code
<GalaxyNova> That's what i was thinking
<GalaxyNova> but then how am i supposed to fix it
<riteo> make a commit for that
<riteo> maybe even do it with the rest of your packages while you're at it
<GalaxyNova> like just "most: changed tabs for spaces"??
<riteo> yes
<riteo> I fail to see why you're so skeptical
<GalaxyNova> i noticed with weechat and changed the tabs into spaces along with a bump
<GalaxyNova> riteo: it's in the community repository
<acheam> present tense in commits GalaxyNova
<acheam> and yes that's fine
<GalaxyNova> there's also the fookin slang commit message that I messed up :(
<riteo> GalaxyNova: that changes nothing
<GalaxyNova> alright
<GalaxyNova> guess i'll make a pr swapping the tabs to spaces
<riteo> no ok I think I'll work on it just a little bit more in order to share it
<GalaxyNova> do you think it'd be fine if i just call it "most: changed tabs to spaces"
<GalaxyNova> and that would get accepted?
<riteo> as acheam pointed out before you should change the verb tense, but that's just a nitpick
<riteo> it'll surely get accepted
<riteo> Again, why not?
<GalaxyNova> i'll start using present tense
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<noocsharp> i'm coming closer and closer to puttin an xmpp server on my vps
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<dilyn> present tense and active voice are overrated
<noocsharp> i mean some people end up overusing active voice because they're told it makes their writing clearer
<noocsharp> but often times it does make writing clearer
<dilyn> obfuscation is my preference
<dilyn> http://0x0.st/-pal.txt this is the cruelest possible of jokes
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<noocsharp> kiss needs a way to resume failed builds
<riteo> :(
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<acheam> noocsharp: ccache helps
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<acheam> sorry, that issue could be helped by ccache
<acheam> excuse my lapsus lingus please
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<noocsharp> im talking more like: build fails, tweak package, restart build from where it failed
<noocsharp> i guess it's possible to do manually with KISS_DEBUG or something
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<midfavila> man, vsynced glx compositing is crazy-smooth
<riteo> cool!
<midfavila> speaking of cool
<midfavila> someone made a clone of the classic mac UI
<riteo> "Virtual" window manager?
<riteo> what does that mean?
<midfavila> Oh. It means it has virtual desks
<riteo> oh
<riteo> that's really cool
<midfavila> Yeah. Virtual desks are something I can't live without, now
<riteo> are they different from workspaces?
<midfavila> Not really. They're the same thing
<riteo> oh then I agree on their utility
<riteo> they're really really useful and way better than minimizing windows everywhere
<acheam> tags ftw
<riteo> I have no idea how they work
<midfavila> tags are cool, but they seem unnecessary
<midfavila> tl;dr each desk can have a set of tags assigned to it, and any windows with those tags will appear on said desks
<acheam> theyre just a different work flow
<midfavila> at least, that's how I understand it
<acheam> ye
<midfavila> also,
<acheam> you can use them just as workspaces as you want
<midfavila> >finally muster the courage to use nyxt
<midfavila> >webkit fails to build
<midfavila> >mfw
<riteo> bruh
<acheam> but say you want your web browser on 2 desktopa
<acheam> tags allow that
<midfavila> okay but why would I ever want that
<acheam> midfavila: did you manage to get over the introspection thing?
<riteo> midfavila re tags: I see why you feel like it's unnecessary
<acheam> uh
<acheam> isk
<midfavila> no, this is onmy desktop
<midfavila> on my*
<midfavila> which is a gkiss install
<acheam> yes but it still needs gtk to be built with introspection
<acheam> unless gkiss has that by default?
<midfavila> wouldn't matter either way
<acheam> libc alone has no effect on that
<midfavila> webkit doesn't build.
<acheam> you could use it with webengine if youre a cretin
<midfavila> i'll stick with uxp
<midfavila> ngl tho
<midfavila> kinda irked that their suggestion for setting it up is "install guix"
<midfavila> nyxt, I mean
<trunc88> tags are like the best part of dwm
<trunc88> i think its funny when wms based on dwm dont have that feature
<noocsharp> acheam: do you daily drive chorizo?
<acheam> noocsharp: yes
<noocsharp> did you use ff before?
<acheam> yes and I still use it when WebKit can't handle certain pages, or I need webrtc
<acheam> also Google docs
<noocsharp> wait webkit can't do google docs?
<acheam> it might be my cookie policy
<acheam> which is no third pary
<midfavila> webkit can barely render openwrt's login page
<acheam> it can definitely do google docs
<noocsharp> openwrt must have an insane login page
<midfavila> must.
<acheam> just not with my setup
<noocsharp> hmm... i'll see how chorizo works for what i need
<noocsharp> hopefully i can get away with it
<acheam> its not for everybody
<acheam> but all the actual browsing is handled by webkit2gtk, so its sound that way
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<noocsharp> i waste so much time impulsively opening hn and lobste.rs, i'd be better off without a browser altogether
<noocsharp> alas
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<acheam> lol that's why I'm trying to take more notes on a paper pad
<acheam> less opening my phone, and then my browser
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<riteo> aaaa I'm not confortable yet sharing the script
<riteo> I must improove
<riteo> i'm improooooooving
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<noocsharp> the thing is a fixed my phone habit, but it has progressed into a laptop browser habit
<noocsharp> i fixed*
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<testuser[m]1> Hi
<riteo> hi!
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<testuser[m]1> Wait install -t isn't portable ? It's used in a lot of build files
<riteo> welp, gtg for now, bye!
<riteo> s/welp/well/
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<illiliti> install isn't portable itself
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<Guest3331> Hi all. What do you think about the new Nvidia 470 driver and Wayland?
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<phoebos[m]> noocsharp: re resuming builds, I recently added that to kiss in a fork
<phoebos[m]> build fails -> you fix it and install to pkg_dir -> let kiss back in to tar it up etc
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<testuser[m]1> Where
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<noocsharp> phoebos[m]: neat
<noocsharp> damn, webkit is way faster than firefox
<noocsharp> i forgot how fast browsers could be
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<riteo> hiiiii!
<riteo> now minekiss passes shellcheck
<riteo> epic
<riteo> I had to put two ignore directives though
<noocsharp> nice
<testuser[m]1> Wdym faster noocsharp
<noocsharp> it just feels snappier
<noocsharp> although it might just be librewolf that's slower
<acheam> probably is librewolf
<acheam> because it doesnt preload links and stiff
<acheam> stuff
<testuser[m]1> Page loading seems much slower for me on webkit browsers compared to other pozzed browsers on my shit net connection
<noocsharp> librewolf takes a full second to fully render my 2kb homepage
<testuser[m]1> Wtf
<riteo> bruh
<riteo> maybe you compiled it without optimizations?
<acheam> well its a rust program
<acheam> so the optimizations should be automatic with rustc iirc
<acheam> not that it would make that big of a differencr
<riteo> optimizations usually make a great job AFAIK
<riteo> I've experienced it first-handedly with godot
<noocsharp> i mean i took the extra/firefox build file and just added the librewolf specific stuff in the AUR PKGBUILD
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<riteo> mh
<noocsharp> it should compile with the same opitmization settings as extra/firefox
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<noocsharp> librewolf doesn't do webgl if that would cause it to slow down significantly
<riteo> well, gtg, cya later!
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<testuser[m]1> webgl would only affect the sites that used that shit tech
<testuser[m]1> Oh
<testuser[m]1> Webgl needs js anyway
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<taaparthur> dilyn for gcc could we remove the "--build=x86_64-pc-linux-musl" flag? It can be auto-detected and don't see any benefit of hard coding it
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<acheam> is there any disadvantage?
<taaparthur> I don't know of any. Removing it works fine for me
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<claudia> taaparthur: Is there an advantage other as saving a line, when removing the binary specification?
<acheam> noocsharp: bash needs bison as a dependency
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<noocsharp> thanks, will send patch soon
<taaparthur> The advantage would be supporting additional systems. Like working with arm or a non-musl based system