<midfavila>
as it stands, regardless of actual clocks, more load on even a single core is a marked reduction in interference...
<lastchansen>
midfavila: not sure why, but it could perhaps be related to the psu at idle? I seem to have had that problem a few years back.
<midfavila>
that would be weird...
<lastchansen>
well.. I think that's the solution to your problem. Constant compiling :)
<midfavila>
this is a 80+ gold unit
<midfavila>
and yeah, I make that joke earlier
<lastchansen>
:p
<midfavila>
"whenever I need to call someone, I'll just cat random into null"
<lastchansen>
hehe
<midfavila>
it could also have something to do with the physical proximity of the GPU and sound card... but...
<midfavila>
based on my rudimentary understanding of wave interaction, a higher-frequency wave doesn't jam a lower-frequency one. it.. kind of just ignores it.
<lastchansen>
Yeah, that was my next thought, but that has not been a problem for many years.. newer designs seem to be pretty solid on most motherboards.
<midfavila>
well, this is a server board, fwiw. they're both discrete boards
<lastchansen>
Perhaps a simple solution with a usb sound card?
<midfavila>
ew ew ew ew ew
<lastchansen>
Perhaps a simple solution with a high end goldplated usb sound card?
<midfavila>
i'm using a high-end PCIe sound card . -.
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<kqz>
an external DAC may help with a lot of that interference
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<lastchansen>
yeah, but if he already has a expensive PCIe card..
<kqz>
a pci-e card in a very beefy two(?) socket mobo ;p
* lastchansen
looks at his expensive dusty unused DAC.
<midfavila>
yeah, two-socket. if it *is* the CPUs causing interference, then I'll have to work something out there...
<midfavila>
at this point I'm more curious than anything.
<kqz>
yeah i had a similar issue about a few years ago with my internal soundcard, switched to a DAC and i can't hear any of that anymore, would reccommend 7/9
<midfavila>
Eeh...
<lastchansen>
hehe
<midfavila>
thing is, I'd need to invest in a ton of USB-based equipment at that point. which would entail investing in USB expansion boards.
<midfavila>
this motherboard hasn't got onboard audio.
<midfavila>
and only like four USB, two of which are already in use.
<kqz>
ah yeah dealing with all the usb devices is a pain, I had to buy a pretty pricey usb hub just to fit everything
<midfavila>
another reason I think it might be the GPU is that even with the CPU under load, moving windows of different sizes produces corresponding interference
<midfavila>
i.e larger windows generate more interference
<riteo>
mh
<midfavila>
this is so janky
<riteo>
can you try moving it away? Maybe even with a riser?
<midfavila>
that's what I'm thinking I'll do, if it *is* the GPU
<riteo>
well, if you say that moving windows and such changes the interference
<riteo>
maybe try running some 3d program?
<kqz>
get an external gpu enclosure! /s
<midfavila>
>use an external GPU enclosure for your SSI-EEB build in an ultra-tower, Mid
<midfavila>
#kisslinux moment
<kqz>
hahahaha
<midfavila>
as if my rig doesn't already take up most of my living room
<riteo>
that's an epico kisslinux moment too
<kqz>
on the opposite end, i moved to an sff case, it's smaller than my toaster
<riteo>
lmao I wrote epico, damn it muscle memory XD
<kqz>
(and i imagine about the same size as most external gpu enclosures)
<midfavila>
no, the epic kisslinux moment was putting together a dual socket system so that I can build mesa and llvm faster
<riteo>
lmao
<riteo>
kqz: how do you deal with temps on that thing?
<midfavila>
probably water cooling
<kqz>
yeah, that
<riteo>
cool
<midfavila>
i don't like liquid-cooled systems
<midfavila>
they make me nervous
<riteo>
same thing
<kqz>
oh yeah it can be a nightmare for sure
<kqz>
when i was first putting together the loop, after a few days, the first radiator i had **melted**
<riteo>
how
<kqz>
luckily i hadn't put anything in the case yet so nothing else got leaked on, but wow
<midfavila>
imma stick with my noctuas and fuckoff huge heatsinks kthx
<kqz>
i'm still not too sure what happened, think just unlucky qa
<midfavila>
hopefully you were able to get your money back
<kqz>
the current rad i have has been going without issue for over a year
<kqz>
yeah I got it rma'd, it was an ek rad too, they're usually pretty awesome
<kqz>
fun project though all-in-all, so much power in a tiny little package
<kqz>
3950x + 6900 xt and 64 gigs of ram :D
<riteo>
oh wow
<riteo>
a smol beast
<midfavila>
>mfw my ultra-tower is cucked by a SFF
<midfavila>
this injustice will not stand
<midfavila>
time to invest in 1.5tb of RAM
<riteo>
yes
<kqz>
ahaha
<midfavila>
crypto based on RAM when
<riteo>
and use it as the main storage
<riteo>
hyper fast ssd
<midfavila>
i mean, at that point, I would have more RAM than SSD space
<riteo>
yes
<riteo>
just remember to keep it powered and everything will be fine
<midfavila>
now I can finally play crysis in HD!!!
<riteo>
CRAZY
<riteo>
now I want 1.5 TB of ram too
<riteo>
me and the boys depleting the ram market of all its supplies
<midfavila>
mid in here single-handedly causing another silicon shortage
<midfavila>
get dabbed on, third-world manufacturing plants.
<riteo>
we do a little trolling
<acheam>
kiedtl: thanks!
<acheam>
little reminder to do the group reg
<riteo>
oh kiedtl that's very cool!
<riteo>
I really like that interface and the fact that it works well even without javascript
<kiedtl>
riteo: yeah, and extra points for working in netsurf!
<midfavila>
netsurf is comfy
<midfavila>
sucks that it's kind of clunky-feeling.
<kiedtl>
acheam: thanks, I sent the email yesterday, am waiting for a reply :)
<kiedtl>
yeah, netsurf's UI is... primitive
<midfavila>
the bigger problem isn't that it's primitive
<midfavila>
it's that the actual rendering window does whatever the hell it wants
<midfavila>
like, it doesn't interact with the clipboard properly, for example
<midfavila>
and there's the weird scroll-by-dragging-the-cursor
<kiedtl>
yup, that too
<kiedtl>
NetSurf's CSS support isn't complete, but that'll get better in time
<testuser[m]>
what group reg
<june>
not much what's group reg with you?
<midfavila>
oh damn
<midfavila>
get destroyed
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<kiedtl>
testuser[m]: "project registration" in libera.chat speak
<omanom>
decided to torture myself by trying to get wayland working on my laptop
<mmatongo>
hows that going
<omanom>
much torture, very fun
<omanom>
how about you?
<mmatongo>
I just spent 4 days using macOS
<omanom>
you're not going to ditch us now, are you...?
<mmatongo>
no no, I just wanted to get familiar with it in case I have to use it for anything.
<midfavila-laptop>
tl;dr it's like linux but shit
<midfavila-laptop>
open a terminal and you'll be fine.
<mmatongo>
so much shit
<mmatongo>
I only felt safe with the terminal on
<mmatongo>
open
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<june>
excuse you, it's like FreeBSD but shit
<june>
get it right at least
<mmatongo>
how similar are they, I know apple uses darwin over linux
<kiedtl>
mmatongo: darwin contains a lot of code from freebsd
<june>
almost all the command line tools in macOS are from FreeBSD
<kiedtl>
I think the entire networking stack was lifted off of freebsd
<mmatongo>
geez
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<mmatongo>
I need to try a bsd
<mmatongo>
Odd though, is it good as a daily driver?
<june>
OpenBSD <3
<mmatongo>
j\une has spoken
<mmatongo>
*june
<kiedtl>
ensure that it supports your hardware and wifi card first
<mmatongo>
Wait what
<midfavila-laptop>
june freebsd is already shit
* midfavila-laptop
dabs
<mmatongo>
isn't that built into the kernel
<kiedtl>
mmatongo: freebsd can't support every hardware item in existance
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<kiedtl>
gotta make sure the drivers are there
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<mmatongo>
midfavila-laptop: you hearing this shit
<acheam>
yeah hardware support, especially on laptops, is slim compared to linux
<midfavila-laptop>
hardware support is slim compared to linux*
<mmatongo>
What even does that mean, who doesnt own a laptop
<acheam>
gaymerz
<midfavila-laptop>
anyone who needs to get actual work done, beyond typing documents
<acheam>
just dont expect good nvidia or high speed wireless suppory
<mmatongo>
june, it's a no from me.
<kiedtl>
..did you check if they have drivers for your hardware?
<kiedtl>
You don't need to say 'no' just because their hardware support is slim, it won't matter if they have your drivers
<acheam>
well if AC wireless for example, Is a requirement (it is for me) then that can be an auto no without needing to check suppory
<acheam>
among other things
<mmatongo>
I feel like I shouldn't have to research my hardware
<midfavila-laptop>
then go use windows
<midfavila-laptop>
or buy a mac
<kiedtl>
^^
<kiedtl>
it's not like you never have to do that with linux
<midfavila-laptop>
"not having to research your hardware" didn't become normal until like windows vista/7
<midfavila-laptop>
if you think having to know the chipset of your wireless card is bad, wait until you have to fuck around with IRQs
<midfavila-laptop>
kids these days, kiedtl
<midfavila-laptop>
smh
<mmatongo>
I'm good mid
<midfavila-laptop>
back in *my* day, you had to make sure your *monitor* supported your video card
<mmatongo>
My laptop came with linux preinstalled
<kiedtl>
o_O is that the pinebook?
<mmatongo>
no
<mmatongo>
wait, are we doing sarcasm?
<mmatongo>
Ya'll gotta warn me
<june>
OpenBSD runs well on approximately the same machines that Linux runs well on. thinkpads, macbooks, dell xps (I think)
<noocsharp>
the apostrophe comes before the a btw
<noocsharp>
"you all" => "y'all"
<midfavila-laptop>
hot take
<mmatongo>
ahhhh I see, thanks
<midfavila-laptop>
if your OS doesn't support common desktop hardware, 'tis a toy OS
<june>
I think there are better things to care about in an OS than support for some crummy hardware
<mmatongo>
Are you calling BSD a toy Os
<noocsharp>
hot take: if your hardware doesn't support your OS, it's toy hardware
<testuser[m]>
install gentoo
<june>
noocsharp++|
<midfavila-laptop>
considering the last time I installed BSD on real hardware, it lacked support for my mouse, I didn't leave with a very good impression.
<noocsharp>
sounds like a pretty bad mouse
<noocsharp>
:P
<midfavila-laptop>
just an older kensington trackball.
<june>
really must be a shitty mouse. USB HID is pretty universal
<midfavila-laptop>
it was PS/2.
<midfavila-laptop>
don't @ me.
<noocsharp>
then it really must be shitty, because i can't imagine bsd doesn't have ps2 support
* midfavila-laptop
shrugs
<midfavila-laptop>
Mouse works just fine everywhere else.
<midfavila-laptop>
DOS through win10, linux since pre-2.6, and MacOS.
<june>
really though complaining that your hardware isn't supported by an OS is backwards. you bought the wrong hardware.
<V>
That's a very narrow way of looking at it
<mmatongo>
Why am I buying specific hardware for a single OS
<midfavila-laptop>
my hardware works just fine everywhere *but* the BSDs.
<kiedtl>
^^
<june>
it's like complaining that the couch you bought doesn't fit in your apartment
<V>
your apartment is the hardware, the couch is the software :)
<omanom>
it's the chicken and egg question -- did you buy the hardware to fit the OS or did you choose the OS based on your hardware
<V>
it's comfy to sit on
<midfavila-laptop>
I was gonna say, if the apartment doesn't fit my couch, it's a shitty apartment.
<kiedtl>
lolol
<midfavila-laptop>
the failing of the apartment has no bearing on my couch.
<june>
right, that's the attitude
<V>
Mostly it doesn't make much sense to complain about one thing not supporting another thing if one wasn't intended to support the other, or if another is a item
<V>
Which depends on context, etc
<V>
I'm a little surprised at BSDs not supporting that trackball though
<midfavila-laptop>
i was kind of surprised too. it's not like it's exotic hardware
<midfavila-laptop>
kensington 64215 serial/PS/2, four buttons.
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<noocsharp>
you plug it into the keyboard ps/2 port accidentally? lmao
<midfavila-laptop>
= w=
<acheam>
june: dell xps isnt as good as think pad but its pretty good
<midfavila-laptop>
eh
<midfavila-laptop>
ngl I prefer the latitudes over the XPSes
<acheam>
I had to swap out my WiFi card to get it to run on dragonfly bsd
<midfavila-laptop>
the XPS feels more prosumer than business
<acheam>
nerditup has a page on 9360, which is what I have
<acheam>
midfavila-laptop: that's because it is
<acheam>
lol
<midfavila-laptop>
look, what do you expect from me
<midfavila-laptop>
up to date knowledge on consumer hardware?
<midfavila-laptop>
please
<acheam>
yes.
<acheam>
be a conzooomer
<midfavila-laptop>
everything I own is obsolete, military, or industrial
<acheam>
wait you own things?
<midfavila-laptop>
like two things
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<acheam>
sounds like consumerism to me
<acheam>
let's get those numbers down
<midfavila-laptop>
fuck you're right
<lastchansen>
:P
<midfavila-laptop>
...oh boy, kernel panic with "processor context corrupt"
<midfavila-laptop>
today just keeps getting more and more exciting
<june>
must be that toy OS you're running!
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<midfavila-laptop>
nope, just fucking with kernel parameters.
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<jslick>
I remember looking at XPS a while ago, but didn't buy bc it had soldered ram
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<acheam>
yeah
<acheam>
could you have slapped that sense into me when I bought it?
<midfavila>
amd chads, I kneel. apparently intel chips being whiny is a known phenomenon
<acheam>
well you already have lots of experience with whining
<midfavila>
uwu
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<noocsharp>
goteem
<GalaxyNova>
amd cpus come with the best coolers
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<honeyedbee>
Ah. I came from arch, you'd think I'd know to check the dang news feed!
<omanom>
no worries, it's tripped up a bunch of us :)
<honeyedbee>
Thanks. I appreciate the help.
<omanom>
sure, welcome btw!
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<dilyn>
of course recursive dependency resolution is NP complete. why tf wouldn't it be
<dilyn>
this is why we are a simple distro with <<1k packages :v
<midfavila>
did I hear someone say "let's rewrite kiss in scheme"?
<honeyedbee>
Thanks for the welcome too! I've been lurking. But a lot of stuff tends to go over my head, so I just hang around in case the smart rubs off.
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<claudia>
dilyn: I agree that using cmake is overkill. But you would need it anyways to build webkit2gtk, firefox, falkon or chromium.
<claudia>
So its in your basic tooling anyway.
<dilyn>
uuuhhmmmm
<claudia>
So I view it not to use libxml directly but I need it to build other stuff.
<dilyn>
you certainly do need cmake to build other things, but... hm
<dilyn>
chromium doesn't require cmake btw. or at least, it shouldn't, afaik
<claudia>
I apreciate your idealism and I think its right
<riteo>
solution: don't use XML :P
<dilyn>
the biggest downfall of wayfire is that it requires xml >=|
<dilyn>
would prefer yaml ffs
<noocsharp>
wayland itself requires xml
<claudia>
chromium -> libjpeg-turbo
<dilyn>
hng
<dilyn>
right.
<claudia>
we are cursed
<dilyn>
gooooooddddddd
<riteo>
IMO yaml is a mess too
<riteo>
better than XML, but it has way too many ways of doing the same thing
<dilyn>
just parse plaintext amirite
<riteo>
JSON hits the sweet spot imo
<riteo>
it's very very simple and extremely readable
<noocsharp>
i don't know why more people dont use s-expressions
<claudia>
But hosting a makefile in the repo is messy. And hosting it somewhere only for this one seems also overkilled.
<noocsharp>
its like the most flexible thing there is, and its simple
<riteo>
noocsharp, oh, you weren't talking about sed expressions? Now I'm feeling stupid, sorry for ignoring you
<riteo>
I've never heard of them
<noocsharp>
lisp programs are s expressions
<riteo>
oh
<riteo>
wouldn't that make it all turing complete and very complex to parse?
<riteo>
or is there some other condition?
<carlosdavidepto>
sexps are not turing complete by default
<riteo>
I'm reading it on wikipedia but still can't get what's different from normal lips code, since there's ifs and whatnot
<carlosdavidepto>
they're a data serialization format
<riteo>
s/lips/lisp/
<carlosdavidepto>
one way to think of it is this
<carlosdavidepto>
a lisp program is just a list
<carlosdavidepto>
in fact a list of lists of lists of...