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<riteo> here I am
<riteo> I wonder what midfavila thinks about this
<rio6> windows ui has been going down since windows xp
<riteo> meh, I liked windows vista/7 a lot
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<rio6> I like it better than win8/10 too
<rio6> but win xp just have some nostalgic feel
<GalaxyNova> win xp sucked also
<GalaxyNova> it had an animated dog for some reason
<rio6> dog and paper clips :D
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<riteo_> I loved that dog
<rio6> not that I did much with computers back then
<omanom> win11 looks essentially like win10 with a rainmeter skin
<riteo_> Do you remember when wine had that patch for applying gtk skins on top of programs?
<riteo_> I think it was a wine-staging thing
<riteo_> It looks EXACTLY like that with the win32 programs
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<riteo> sorry for the 3847373856 logins, I was configuring my mobile irc application
<riteo> you know, I registered myself
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<acheam> consider a bouncer before you connect from mobile
<acheam> because when you change from mobile tower to mobile tower, mobile tower to wifi etc, you'll get disconnected
<acheam> and then recconected
<riteo_> yeah I think that one is mandatory for mobile communication here
<riteo_> I don't need one for my pc but for my mobile phone is basically a must
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<riteo_> bye me
<riteo_> mhhh, I wonder if I could mesh up some weird DDNS configuration with my boscaiolo
<riteo_> you know what, I'll be at my computer soon so it's better that I log off so that I don't bother you all, I don't think I'll be chatting a lot anyways
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<GalaxyNova> acheam: any good tutorials for configuring an irc bouncer?
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<riteo> BRUH
<riteo> I DIDN'T JOIN
<riteo> damn you Revolution IRC!
<riteo> sorry guys!
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<acheam> GalaxyNova: kiss b pounce; man pounce
* midfavila pounces on acheam
<midfavila> owo
<acheam> oh
<midfavila> ho~
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<sad_plan> firefox failed again. it dooes looks like its the same error this time aswell
<noocsharp> acheam: are you running kiss yet?
<acheam> noocsharp: not on my laptop
<acheam> but yes on my desktop for the last few weeks
<necromansy> smh
<acheam> :(
<acheam> today was the final prep
<acheam> switching from offlineimap to mbsync
<acheam> cleaning up my VM images to be smaller
<necromansy> have you been using a VM?
<acheam> for KISS?
<necromansy> yeah
<acheam> a chroot
<acheam> VMs are messy and heavy
<necromansy> ah yeah fair 'nuff
<acheam> a chroot is instant, and fits in perfectly with my computer
<noocsharp> i maintain isync!
<acheam> its nice
<noocsharp> finally, i know for sure i won't the only user
<acheam> lol
<acheam> im sure lots of people use it
<acheam> but god offlineimap was horrendous
<acheam> slow, required python2, no "fetch password from a command" option
<acheam> mbsync is lean and mean
<acheam> or isync
<acheam> or whatever its called
<noocsharp> for a kiss machine
<necromansy> i mean ive been running KISS on metal since early 2020
<noocsharp> the first time i installed kiss on metal was also the first time i ever configured a kernel
<necromansy> same
<noocsharp> took me a full day to get my touchpad working
<necromansy> lmao
<necromansy> i never got my touchpad working
<acheam> hmm cant decide if I like the pass method of encrypting via private key, or the pash menu of encrypting just via a passphrase
<necromansy> just defaulted to using a wireless mouse
<acheam> hehe
<noocsharp> pash uses a private key...
<acheam> it does?
<noocsharp> yeah its a gpg key
<noocsharp> same as pass
<acheam> why does it make you enter your passphrase twice then
<GalaxyNova> kiss is amazing as a chroot
<GalaxyNova> the easiest distro to chroot by far
<acheam> when creating a new entry
<noocsharp> it doesn't for me
<acheam> and not mention any key in the pinentry menu when decrypting
<acheam> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
<acheam> oh I need to set PASH_KEYID
<noocsharp> well the passphrase twice probably to make sure you dont typo what you're storing in it
<acheam> have I mentioned how I dislike environment configuration?
<acheam> no you misunderstand
<acheam> not that passphrase entry
<acheam> but at the gpg-encryption stage
<necromansy> i like environ config
* necromansy shrugs
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<acheam> it makes sense for things that need to change session to session, instance to instance
<acheam> but not for settings you always want to be the same
<acheam> IMO
<noocsharp> yeah, it's sort of painful to have to log out and log in again to reload .profile
<acheam> i mean, you don't have to use .profile
<necromansy> i just use the shell rc
<acheam> same
<necromansy> $HOME/.ashrc
<noocsharp> genius
<acheam> I keep mine in ~/.config/ash/ashrc
<noocsharp> wait, y'all unironally use busybox ash?
<acheam> yes
<necromansy> yeah?
<acheam> why not?
<acheam> it works well
<acheam> been using it as a main shell for a while now
<noocsharp> fair enough
<GalaxyNova> busybox ash is nice
<necromansy> what dya use?
<GalaxyNova> i don't see the need to use something else
<noocsharp> oksh
<necromansy> ah
<GalaxyNova> what can oksh do that ash can't
<noocsharp> nothing that i know of
<noocsharp> but i dont know a lot
<GalaxyNova> > nothing that i know of
<GalaxyNova> exactly
<GalaxyNova> ash is light, fast, and gets the job done
<noocsharp> well ksh comes with a nice man page
<acheam> you got me there
<acheam> busybox manpage is... barren
<necromansy> a good man page is a benefit
<noocsharp> does your busybox come with manpages? mine doesn't
<necromansy> mine doesnt
<GalaxyNova> you have to enable the man pages as a compilation option i think
<acheam> yess got pash to use private key thanks for the nudge
<acheam> yeah its a compile time thing
<necromansy> >not default option
<necromansy> smh
<acheam> busybox has tooons of compile time options
<noocsharp> probably worth looking into
<acheam> its not meant to be used on an end user system like this lol
<rio6> man from busybox isn't very usable
<necromansy> true
<rio6> can't even specify which section to look
<necromansy> it *is* an embedded userspace
<acheam> yeah the busybox man doesn't often find the pages im looking for
<GalaxyNova> I don't think kiss ships busybox with busybox man?
<acheam> hmmm how to reencrypt these passwords that I added via pash that aren't privkey encrypted now.
<rio6> kiss uses mandoc by default I think?
<acheam> no defaults
<GalaxyNova> it has no default
<necromansy> i wish sbase was more POSIX compliant
<noocsharp> mandoc is in repo/extra
<rio6> or rather, the recommendation
<acheam> ye
<GalaxyNova> some could say that POSIX is a bloated standard
<acheam> its the man implementation in the repo
<necromansy> true but its the standard a lot of KISS uses
<GalaxyNova> yes
<GalaxyNova> and that is fair
<GalaxyNova> living withput POSIX compliance is almost impossible
<noocsharp> well it's rather easy if you use windows
<rio6> can't get people to use your standard if your not bloat :P
<necromansy> yeah but i think thats a worse fate
<GalaxyNova> windows is POSIX compliant btw
<rio6> *was
<acheam> cygwin anyone?
<GalaxyNova> KISS Linux in WSL anyone?
<noocsharp> i used mingw when i used windows
<acheam> GalaxyNova: done already
<acheam> check freenode logs
<GalaxyNova> lol
<rio6> i use git bash so I think it's mingw
<noocsharp> i believe it is
<sad_plan> is mmotango using kiss and wsl or something?
<acheam> tried it out
<sad_plan> s/is/isnt/
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<riteo> I'm back!
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<midfavila> yo.
<acheam> hi
<riteo> hi mid!
<acheam> wow, thanks riteo :(
<riteo> oh
<riteo> I thought mid just came
* acheam writes riteo out of his will
<riteo> like, we talked before
<riteo> I didn't talk with mid yet, that's why I thought they just came
<acheam> shush, child
<riteo> it's too late, right?
<riteo> I deserve death
<acheam> your wisdom is unnerving
<riteo> somehow, I knew that this would happen right as I greeted mid
<riteo> I had this discussion already in my head
<riteo> but seriously, I talked with you like very little time ago and thought that mid just came, that's why I greeted them
<riteo> I was 99% sure this would've happened but gone with it
<riteo> anyways*
<riteo> god I have to learn to press enter a bit later
<riteo> also I didn't know that bots had wills
<acheam> lol its okay
<riteo> oh my god I got a crazy idea that just won't come out of my head
<riteo> what if I used the kiss package format for something else too?
<riteo> you see, it's SO simple
<riteo> but not for something normal
<riteo> I'm a weird minecraft user ok? I compile from source all my mods in order to have the latest and greatest bugs, every time
<riteo> too bad that's actually quite a bummer to compile them all and move the right file to the mod folder everytime. I already did a pseudo package system for our minecraft server, but what if I did something fancier for my local machine?
<riteo> I need opinions
<riteo> ok apparently people had my same idea (kind of) but they're all binary based and I think all depend on a single .minecraft
<riteo> I'm talking about a source-based minecraft mod package manager, possibly even using KISS' own package format
<riteo> in POSIX* shell
<riteo> (or maybe c, who knows)
<noocsharp> do it, you won't
<riteo> are you challenging me?
<noocsharp> i am indeed
<riteo> you know that I did a way simpler but very similar thing for my server, right?
<riteo> I mean, if I were lazy I could also just fork kiss, but that sounds like cheating
<noocsharp> yes, i read that
<noocsharp> tbh you probably don't even need to fork kiss
<noocsharp> you could just use it as is and package minecraft mods as kiss packages
<noocsharp> although i don't know how maven/gradle work
<noocsharp> or whatever is used in minecraft mods
<riteo> I'd need to change kiss' root though
<riteo> is it possible?
<noocsharp> the $KISS_ROOT environment variable
<riteo> nice!
<riteo> then I don't even have to do anything!
<riteo> I'll be using kiss as my minecraft package manager now!
<riteo> I need midfavila to hear these words now
<midfavila> minecrap
<riteo> yes
<riteo> minecraft, with a nice package manager
<riteo> arch minecraft
<GalaxyNova> that sounds like something that should exist
<riteo> now I have unironically to install kiss on my arch linux installation
<riteo> arch kiss
<noocsharp> riteo evolves into acheam
<midfavila> BBBBBBBBBBBBB
<riteo> aw come on, there's already a package in the aur called "kiss"
<riteo> I'll call it kiss-package-manager
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<riteo> god it took so loong
<riteo> but I have done it, I've packaged kiss linux
<riteo> too bad that arch linux like forbids writing in /usr/sbin since as it's actually linked with /usr/bin but pacman won't tell you nono
<riteo> time to package a mod
<riteo> i
<riteo> sorry, focused the wrong window lol
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<riteo> I actually think this setup might make multimc redundant
<riteo> god if I can pull this up like, before I switch to KISS I might actually have built a KISSy way of playing minecraft, powered by the distribution's package manager itself
<riteo> I'm going crazy from power
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<midfavila-laptop> any of you guys use cron for interesting tasks?
<acheam> i've switched to systemd timers and cgi scripts
<acheam> on the server
<acheam> on my laptop, I pull my emails every 15 min
<acheam> but thats it
<riteo> I've done it
<riteo> I've packaged and installed my first mod with kiss linux
<acheam> riteo: package kiss?
<riteo> s/kiss linux/kiss package manager/
<acheam> just "curl https://github.com/whatevery/kiss > ~/.local/bin/"
<riteo> nono
<riteo> I already packaged kiss on archlinux
<acheam> send pkgbuild?
<riteo> oh yeah why not
<riteo> it's based on the template and I was lazy, so expect useless bash substitutions
<riteo> it's probably pretty bad, but does it's job well enough for now
<riteo> here it is, in all its shitty and cursed glory: http://0x0.st/-L7n.txt
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<riteo> see, I made sad_plan leave just by sending it
<riteo> I told you this was cursed
<riteo> but yes, I've packaged my first minecraft mod for kiss and installed it too
<riteo> I wonder how can I manage the enviroment variables for every instance though
<riteo> maybe a wrapper script that loads a file?
<riteo> that'd be messy for sure
<riteo> maybe not that much
<testuser[m]1> Hi
<riteo> hi!
<noocsharp> riteo: what mod/what build system does it use?
<riteo> oh I'm not on kiss linux, so this isn't technically fully available (yet) there
<riteo> it uses gradle
<riteo> minecraft is java based
<riteo> for now the first mod I packaged is DashLoader, a cool little mod for fabric
<riteo> still haven't tried yet the new version with resource pack caching, but that's the whole reason I got bored of recompiling every single mod by hand
<noocsharp> i was just curious because i wasn't sure what the java kids were using these days
<riteo> oh it's actually a split thing
<riteo> on bukkit/spigot/paper/tuinity/whatever it's maven
<riteo> on forge/fabric is gradle
<riteo> s/is/it's/
<noocsharp> ah, interesting
<riteo> for real though, dylan really made a very versatile tool that's really just a simple package manager (althought I'm bringing it at it's limit)
<riteo> like, I'll probably make some way of setting automatically the enviroment (reason that might bring me in the future to ditch multimc entirely) and put in KISS_PATH only a repo labeled with the version of the current instance
<testuser[m]1> sad_plan ff pgo seems to not work properly, i had to wait for the build to fail then resume it. You can just remove the MOZ_PGO line
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<riteo> ok last thing before I disappear: is there some json parser in community or any other repo?
<riteo> If that's the case I think I can really make a KISS minecraft launcher with micro enviroments managed by kiss
<acheam> jq
<riteo> cool! I really really have to sleep now, but I can't wait to build the little minecraft launcher of my dreams!
<riteo> well, cya for now!
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<cem> tfw propriatery phone
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<ang> acheam: you are doing it wrong to begin with
<ang> why run so many terminals when you have tmux/dvtm?
<ang> but anyway, make sure to exec the multiplexer, that might save one shell per terminal
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<lonzo> heyo
* necromansy waves
<testuser[m]1> Hi
<ang> damn, our busybox has real time signals disabled for {p}kill
<ang> FEATURE_RTMINMAX should be set imo
<ang> ^ dilyn
<ang> wait, we have it enabled
<jstnas> I'm pretty sure we do because I use the feature
<ang> I just checked our .config, it is indeed enabled
<ang> I can't use the signals by name though
<ang> and `kill -l` does not list them
<testuser[m]1> it does
<ang> weird
<testuser[m]1> num) NAME
<ang> you sure that's not util-linux's kill(1)?
<testuser[m]1> no i only build util-linux with lib{uuid,mount,blkid} for btrfs
<ang> I'm stupid, helps looking at the other columns of its output
<ang> but they are listed as RT34..RT64, not RTMIN+n and RTMAX
<ang> forces you to hardcode signal numbers
<ang> welp, guess that's what I have to do
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<ang> testuser[m]1, I also forgot that kill is a built-in... /me facepalms
<ang> so I was basically looking at the output of oksh's kill -l the entire time
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<testuser[m]1> Lol
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<omanom> noocsharp I wonder how rough it would be to figure something out along the lines of this: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/network/ofono/mmsd.git/
<midfavila> the roughest
<midfavila> the toughest
<midfavila> the most unreasonable thing to be to figure out
<midfavila> we need a true InfoWarrior to handle such a mission
<omanom> but sh4rm4^bnc is no longer in here
<midfavila> then I guess we'll have to settle for acheam
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<omanom> do i need X11/XWayland backend for lariza even though it states only needing gtk+3 and webkit2gtk?
<midfavila> gtk3 can run without X iirc
<omanom> i'm getting a couldn't load shared library libGL.so.1 error and it crashes
<midfavila> hmm. I wouldn't know in that case
<omanom> from what i understand, my mesa doesn't build libGL because i only target wayland
<midfavila> I've never actually experimented with wayland
<omanom> like, it loads initially and draws to the screen, but then any time i try to navigate or anything it crashes
<midfavila> ...huh.
<omanom> if i go to google.com, i can interact with the search bar, click search, it shows the results page start rendering... and then poof goodbye
<omanom> same with pretty much any site
<omanom> my guess is something isn't pointing to libEGL correctly but not sure what to look at next
<testuser[m]1> Try building mesa with gl, you don't need xlibs for that i think
<omanom> trying -Dshared-glapi=enabled first
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<omanom> oh it defaults to true
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<omanom> -Dglx=enabled forces x11 platform, which has an xcb runtime dependency :/
<testuser[m]1> What about gles instead of glx?
<testuser[m]1> I use libglvnd for libGL, it doesn't link to libX11 but it needs it installed (headers dependency) if you want to build anything that needs libglvnd
<omanom> i have gles built fine, libGLES.so.1 exists
<testuser[m]1> Oh
<testuser[m]1> Does -Dgl exist ?
<omanom> there's -Dopengl, -Dglx
<testuser[m]1> What does -Dopengl build then
<testuser[m]1> Instead of glx
<testuser[m]1> Oh
<omanom> didn't make a difference when i set it
<acheam> ang: I am doing one shell per terminal
<acheam> I'm launching my terminal with the default program as tmuz
<acheam> but when I close it, because the session stays arounde, they add up
<testuser[m]1> Why would webshit try to open libGL if it's built only with -DENABLE_GLES2=ON
<omanom> i don't know lol that's why i asked here, hoping someone might have an idea :)
<ang> acheam, kinda redundant
<omanom> wonder if its just a hidden dependency
<ang> imo you run a multiplexer so you don't have to run so many terminals
<ang> shitty work-around: close windows via C-d
<testuser[m]1> You didn't have any libGL when you build webshit right ?
<acheam> I'm running them just for session management, not multiplexing
<testuser[m]1> Maybe it linked against it
<acheam> c-d works
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<claudia> omanom: Do you try to build webkit2gtk without X11 backend?
<claudia> aka without any X
<claudia> If yes, you need this patch to set '-DUSE_OPENGL_OR_ES=OFF -DENABLE_GLES2=ON' http://ix.io/3q8F
<omanom> hm no, not explicitly
<omanom> i have -DENABLE_WEBGL2=OFF and -DENABLE_WEBDRIVER=OFF
<omanom> and -DENABLE_GLES=ON
<claudia> if not completely read logs
<claudia> is your mesa without libgl
<claudia> ?
<omanom> correct, it doesn't build libGL.so
<omanom> just libEGL.so
<testuser[m]1> Hmm not having `OPENGL_OR_ES=OFF` might be the cause of my webkit's cursedness
<claudia> then you need this patch, that webkit detects that properly
<testuser[m]1> Will give it a shot
<claudia> should fix "not finding shared lib libgl" from webkit
<omanom> ok i'll try that out, thanks claudia
<claudia> np. that one took me a while to find.
<claudia> But I didnt give up, because I had webkit to build and run in this constelation before.
<testuser[m]1> Lol setting OPENGL_OR_ES to off seems to have disabled all other options for some reason: https://termbin.com/q2j4
<claudia> Have tried -DENABLE_GLES2=ON ?
<claudia> in addition
<testuser[m]1> Yrah it's explicitly on
<testuser[m]1> wow
<testuser[m]1> it finalyl fucking works
<testuser[m]1> thanks claudia
<omanom> was there a different option you had to set?
<testuser[m]1> it works fine even tho it set everything to OFF , lol
<claudia> testuser[m]1: your welcome. Hf with webkit :v
<claudia> from release to release these gl option names have had changed before.
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<testuser[m]1> can you change the font stuff in webkit?
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<claudia> I think it defaults to dejavu. When I dont have those it defaults to something else. More I dont know.
<testuser[m]1> https://termbin.com/ls2b btw this is why it disabled everything else
<testuser[m]1> still need to experiment with options then
<claudia> Ah then I might have just not noticed that enable_gles2 was disabled then.
<claudia> wpe_renderer(the wayland goddie) does not work without libgl as from what I tried. Bad.
<claudia> *goodie
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<riteo> Hiii!
<riteo> Sleep: acquired
<riteo> Gamer gloves: on
<testuser[m]1> Nice
<riteo> Yep, It's time for minecraft 8)
<riteo> I've fleshed out more my idea for this multi-micro-enviroment minecraft launcher powered by kiss and it's awesome
<riteo> I just have to implement it real quick, shouldn't take too much I guess
<omanom> claudia testuser[m]1 dang no change for me, lariza still upset about no libGL.so
<testuser[m]1> use chromium
<testuser[m]1> :p
<testuser[m]1> In exchange for 15x more compile time you get something usable
<testuser[m]1> Or links2, better
<technoznc> riteo: if you know how to compile it shouldnt be that hard
<riteo> technoznc: compile what
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<midfavila> links is b a s e d
<testuser[m]1> We could use elinks for js but it works only with spodermonkey that too a centuries old version
<midfavila> hasn't elinks been abandoned for ages?
<testuser[m]1> I think it has had activity in ~1 year
<midfavila> oh, huh
<midfavila> now if only they had the Links2 graphics mode...
<testuser[m]1> Wait no it's dead since 2017
<testuser[m]1> Arch had just bumped revlers
<midfavila> Aw...
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<claudia> Just to make sure u have rebuild lariza? :v
<omanom> i'll do it again but yeah i did
<claudia> This is my buildfile for webkit no X http://ix.io/3q9k
<claudia> Have you seen the configure result testuser posted earlier?
<claudia> You can paste yours aswell then.
<claudia> Btw there is a fork of elinks with ongoing development https://github.com/rkd77/felinks
<midfavila> nice, thanks claudia
<omanom> my webkit buildfile was almost exactly that claudia, rebuilding now to see if the differences matter
<testuser[m]1> Claudia knows every browser there is, lol
<claudia> one might think that :D
<claudia> I skimmed through adelie packages and saw that they have updated elinks with strange name.
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<noocsharp> has anyone packages the device tree compiler (dtc)?
<noocsharp> packaged*
<noocsharp> 5 minutes too late :P
<noocsharp> i just packaged it
<noocsharp> have you built crust from source? that's why i need it
<jedavies> Not yet, have been having enough trouble trying to build atf and uboot with clang/llvm.
<jedavies> Will give it a go though, since I think the megi kernel requires it
<noocsharp> wait really? maybe i've been using crust without even knowing it lmao
<noocsharp> i built my sd card from the pmos image so i guess that would make sense if postmarket ships with crust
<jedavies> Yeah I did the same
<jedavies> What UI you using? On-screen keyboard?
<noocsharp> custom one, i added touch/input method support to swc
<noocsharp> and ported svkbd to wayland
<testuser[m]1> Nice
<noocsharp> it's pretty primitive at the moment
<noocsharp> i basically ripped out the pmos rootfs and replaced it with oasis
<noocsharp> and the kernel as well
<noocsharp> i figure it's high time to build a full image from source
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<noocsharp> jedavies: when you do build crust from source, i just packaged swig here: https://git.nihaljere.xyz/kiss-nihal/log.html
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<jedavies> Nice, will check out swc/velox. Have been running sway with a modified wvkbd https://github.com/jjsullivan5196/wvkbd
<testuser[m]1> What browser do you use on pinephone ?
<noocsharp> i haven't even attempted to get a browser working, but i think sxmo has surf
<noocsharp> i don't have any experience with it though
<noocsharp> maybe jedavies knows better
<jedavies> Been using webkit2gtk browsers OK since it's easy enough to cross build that now. Not tried cross-building firefox yet.
<noocsharp> cross compiling firefox sounds painful
<jedavies> What do you use swig for?
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<noocsharp> it's dependency for u-boot
<noocsharp> and i think the crust-firmware meta repo
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<kimerus> Any sane alternative to firefox?
<riteo> it depends on what you want to do with the web
<sad_plan> there are several people who use chromium though
<sad_plan> firefox is still failing on my end, even with pgo disabled.. log: https://0x0.st/-9z_.txt
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<riteo> >decommissioned?
<riteo> wait, who owned logbot?
<riteo> it looks like it was an hobby project made by glob, what did he mean by decommissioned?
<riteo> oh I just don't know english apparently
<riteo> well, that's sad :(
<riteo> well, I'll go for now, bye!
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