<claudia>
jedavies: I have now tested serious engine with assets for first/second encounter. Both start(menu) but when starting the actual game, both crash and segfault.
<jedavies>
Interesting, you were doing same as the arch build file?
<claudia>
In the end probably, but I made my own build file. http://ix.io/3pYS
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<acheam>
claudia: I put the variable scroll speed stuff into chorizo
<acheam>
thanks for the rec :)
<claudia>
acheam: nice!
<claudia>
I am still about to try it out extensively. Haven found the muse to tinker with it.
<jedavies>
Don't think I'll be building much on that machine, much quicker to cross build
<jedavies>
on a quicker machine
<noocsharp>
ah i see, not as good as i thought, but still reasonable for a new architecture without billions of dollars behind it
<noocsharp>
actually maybe a few billion dollars, but not trillions like arm or x86
<GalaxyNova>
kimerus: is toybox really more light than busybox
<GalaxyNova>
busybox boasts about how goot it is for embeded hardware
<GalaxyNova>
good
<kimerus>
Good answer
<kimerus>
D
<kimerus>
I don't know if is major but i think the major of kiss users don't even use a embedded hardware
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<GalaxyNova>
either way if you don't like busybox it's trivially easy to fork the rootfs to use toybox
<GalaxyNova>
and everything will work fine because packages don't explicitly depend on busybox
<GalaxyNova>
also kimerus, you can strip down busybox to icnlude less utilities if you are really concirned about that kind of stuff
<kimerus>
Yeah i know
<kimerus>
I will go with sbase or similar stuff, less complicated
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<Sweets>
.
<Sweets>
hello
<Sweets>
friends
<GalaxyNova>
hello
<m3g>
hi
<GalaxyNova>
Sweets: I didn't realize you were the one who created hummingbird init lol
<GalaxyNova>
I've used it before in an LFS install
<midfavila-laptop>
hey, Sweets
<midfavila-laptop>
what's up?
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<Sweets>
GalaxyNova ye, I made hummingbird
<Sweets>
midfavila- working on memory injection rn
<midfavila-laptop>
Sorry - "memory injection"? In what context?
<Sweets>
in the context of finding an arbitrary address in memory and making it spawn a thread that has elevated priveleges
<Sweets>
macos
<midfavila-laptop>
That's neat. Apart from, you know, Mac :P /s
<Sweets>
macos goes hard
<midfavila-laptop>
the thing that bothers me is like
<GalaxyNova>
idk it's just odd that you use mac and are interested in distros like KISS
<midfavila-laptop>
1) not a fan of some of the stuff Aqua does
<midfavila-laptop>
(but the titlebar along the top that integrates with the current focused program is really cool)
<noocsharp>
im pretty sure aqua has been dead for like 10 years
<Sweets>
GalaxyNova I mean, it is *nix
<midfavila-laptop>
...wait, isn't Aqua what the "DE" so to speak of MacOS is called?
<midfavila-laptop>
I swear to god it is.
<GalaxyNova>
Sweets: it's very different from KISS or Linux in general
<Sweets>
that and I've always been interested in kiss, even before dylan made it
<midfavila-laptop>
maximum hipster
<Sweets>
dylan and I were talking about making distros before he made it lol
<midfavila-laptop>
"I was into this thing before it even EXISTED"
<Sweets>
I mean
<Sweets>
yeah
<Sweets>
dylan's my friend, I like watching my friends and their projects succeed
<Sweets>
hence I support it a lot too :)
<midfavila-laptop>
unrelated, but on the topic of macos guis - platinum is super aesthetic
<Sweets>
anyways, GalaxyNova, idk, it is pretty different, but you go deep enough past the userspace and eventually it's all just some weird purgatory of pain and memory addresses
<Sweets>
plus most unix like systems work just about the same
<midfavila-laptop>
something something "I know this..!"
<Sweets>
macos gui isn't bad. macos really succeeds in GUIs
<midfavila-laptop>
that's one thing I can't not give apple
<midfavila-laptop>
they clearly put a lot of effort into look and feel
<midfavila-laptop>
very polished
<midfavila-laptop>
just... not polished in a way that I personally like. kek
<Sweets>
most everything they do is polished, part of why I prefer macos to linux
<noocsharp>
it's a bunch of counter-examples
<acheam>
yes but its for $$$ not for the customers sake directly
<Sweets>
poettering is ruining the linux userspace
<Sweets>
along with freedesktop
<acheam>
what's wrong with freedesktop?
<Sweets>
freedesktop, GNU, suckless, poettering, they're what's wrong with linux
<acheam>
xorg, xdg base dirs, etc etc?
<Sweets>
acheam: X, Wayland, xdg, systemd, the list goes on
<acheam>
without GNU thered be no modern desktop linux the way we know it
<midfavila-laptop>
don't tell me you're one of those "fragmentation is why Linux failed" people
<Sweets>
I'm not saying GNU isn't without credit
<Sweets>
doesn't mean I like them though
<Sweets>
and no
<Sweets>
I'm not
<acheam>
Sweets: so youre just suggesting abandon display servers?
<acheam>
what's the actual issue with freedesktop
<Sweets>
I'm suggesting that X11 is old and Wayland isn't the solution
<midfavila-laptop>
i mean, I kinda get the FDesktop issues
<acheam>
okay, but its a novel approach
<Sweets>
freedesktop as an organization is horrid, especially when it comes to documentation
<midfavila-laptop>
they just arbitrarily establish "standards"
<Sweets>
^
<midfavila-laptop>
that - honestly - kind of suck
<acheam>
someone's gotta do it
<acheam>
not like ISO or ANSI will
<midfavila-laptop>
yeah, well, that's why there's the ICCCM and EWMH and whatnot...
<Sweets>
ICCCM and EWMH are both bad solutions to arbitrary problems
<Sweets>
ewmh in particular is horrid
<midfavila-laptop>
i'm not saying they're *good*
<midfavila-laptop>
just that they're less awful than most of what FD and XDG pull
<acheam>
you really want to go through ICCCM to decide where desktop icons should be in the file hierarchy?
<midfavila-laptop>
i mean
<midfavila-laptop>
/usr/share/pixmaps or w/e
<midfavila-laptop>
it already exists
<midfavila-laptop>
i feel like the problem with linux isn't that there are too many or not enough standards
<Sweets>
fonts also
<midfavila-laptop>
it's that everyone thinks they know what's best for linux
<Sweets>
fonts are the worst on linux
<midfavila-laptop>
and they try to enforce that on everyone else, instead of building their own little walled garden
<Sweets>
jokes on you, I built my own little walled garden, AND lived in it
<midfavila-laptop>
i think a good example of the "walled garden" approach would be like
<midfavila-laptop>
idk
<Sweets>
for quite a few years
<midfavila-laptop>
enlightenment
<midfavila-laptop>
enlightenment is really cool
<midfavila-laptop>
where they have their own infrastructure and stuff, and just kinda do their own thing and stick with it
<midfavila-laptop>
instead of "innovating:tm:" every few years like GNOME or whatever
<Sweets>
can we go back to gnome 2.x days
<Sweets>
things were simpler
<midfavila-laptop>
GNOME 1
<midfavila-laptop>
Sawfish >>> Metacity
<midfavila-laptop>
...at least I think gnome 2 used metacity...
<midfavila-laptop>
disclaimer, the only time I've ever used GNOME was one time when I installed Kali on a burner system
<midfavila-laptop>
it was... not very good
<Sweets>
I'd really have to dig it up, but throw back to when GNOME 3.x-4.x devs were trying to get rid of desktop notifications because "nobody uses them" and the devs had never "seen them be used"
<midfavila-laptop>
cringe
<midfavila-laptop>
they have to polish the Gnome:tm: Experience:r:
<Sweets>
yeah that was a good one
<midfavila-laptop>
in GNOME 500 there won't even be buttons
<midfavila-laptop>
it'll just autostart your browser
<Sweets>
gnome 500 won't even come for a display, you just have to imagine it
<midfavila-laptop>
lmao
<midfavila-laptop>
"now you can customize it all you want. fuckers."
<Sweets>
no, I still have to pay for a theme on gnome-look
<midfavila-laptop>
i like to stereotype gnome developers as "artistes"
<midfavila-laptop>
really self-righteous fart huffers who think their post-post-modernist cubism is super deep and shit
<Sweets>
they're artists in the same sense that I'm an artist for rubbing my nutsack on a foggy window and you can see the exact path I took over it
<midfavila-laptop>
but Sweets
<midfavila-laptop>
that's clearly a critique of the capitalist patriarchy
<midfavila-laptop>
someone'll pay good money to hang that window on their wall
<Sweets>
clearly.
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<midfavila-laptop>
i think if you *really* wanted to have a critique of modern society, you know what you do?
<midfavila-laptop>
create a parody of the old statues, like The Thinker or something
<midfavila-laptop>
but he's just staring at a smartphone
<midfavila-laptop>
make the whole statue super bland and uninteresting and then go crazy on the smartphone details
<Sweets>
nobody would see it, they're too busy doing the same thing the statue is doing
<midfavila-laptop>
hmm
<midfavila-laptop>
true
<midfavila-laptop>
i think if I created such a statue, I'd call it "The Socialite"
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<GalaxyNova>
Sweets: why is GNU bad?
<GalaxyNova>
I mean yeah their tools are not very standards complaint but as long as they are not part of the core system it's fine with me
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<acheam>
midfavila-laptop: Kali doesn't provide a good gnome experience
<acheam>
I wouldn't judge just off of that
<midfavila-laptop>
kali doesn't provide a good anything experience
<midfavila-laptop>
i don't even like it for use as a pentesting toolkit
<midfavila-laptop>
blackarch is unironically better in a lot of ways. includes less shit out of the box and has just as many if not more tools available
<midfavila-laptop>
i know that the ebic heckers in here will probably roast me for my take but idec at this point
<testuser[m]1>
Hi
<midfavila-laptop>
ih
<acheam>
hi
<midfavila-laptop>
bleh, gonna have to rebind my caps lock to ctrl, on my laptop
<midfavila-laptop>
i'm already starting to experience the effects of emacs pinky thanks to stumpwm
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<testuser[m]1>
For some reason when i updated it, busybox patch was having trouble applying some part of the patch, gnu patch was failing on another part. Only git apply worked
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<midfavila-laptop>
just added a modeline to my tiling wm config, am I cool yet
<testuser[m]1>
What's a modeline
<midfavila-laptop>
ever use emacs or vim or w/e?
<midfavila-laptop>
it's the bit at the bottom of the display
<midfavila-laptop>
tells you what file you're editing, current mode, etc
<midfavila-laptop>
general info like that
<testuser[m]1>
Oh
<midfavila-laptop>
yeah
<GalaxyNova>
oh interesintg
<testuser[m]1>
What info does it show in the wm modeline
<midfavila-laptop>
i want to extend it with info like wireless signal integrity, battery capacity, CPU, RAM and disk usage, etc
<GalaxyNova>
interesting
<GalaxyNova>
what window manager is that
<midfavila-laptop>
stumpwm
<midfavila-laptop>
i need to get around to packaging it
<midfavila-laptop>
but if you want to try it out, I have the dependency (Steel Bank Common Lisp) packaged
<midfavila-laptop>
...actually, I don't know if the SDF sysops have updated the SSL cert...
<midfavila-laptop>
they have not
<midfavila-laptop>
cringe and reddit-pilled. get on that
<GalaxyNova>
midfavila-laptop: never heard of that wm
<midfavila-laptop>
it's the successor to ratpoison
<midfavila-laptop>
which you might have heard
<GalaxyNova>
oh yes
<midfavila-laptop>
heard of*
<midfavila-laptop>
yeah, the devs were apparently implementing a bunch of lisp stuff
<midfavila-laptop>
so they were like
<midfavila-laptop>
"why are we writing this in C and implementing all this crap when we can just write it in lisp"
<midfavila-laptop>
and then they did that
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<midfavila-laptop>
i really need to write a script to control my laptop's backlight...
<midfavila-laptop>
maybe automate changes with cron. that would be niftyy
<midfavila-laptop>
nifty*
<testuser[m]1>
Do it
<midfavila-laptop>
i used to use a dedicated utility to manage such things
<midfavila-laptop>
i think it was xbacklight
<midfavila-laptop>
but then I realized "wait a sec"
<midfavila-laptop>
"this is exposed via sysfs"
<GalaxyNova>
i think you can just edit the values directly in /proc IIRC
<midfavila-laptop>
proc might have it, but I tend to manipulate my hardware via sysfs
<midfavila-laptop>
so like, my modem initialization script does a bunch of black magic via sysfs, for example
<schillingklaus>
is sysfs a systemd thing?
<midfavila-laptop>
no
<midfavila-laptop>
it's a virtual filesystem that's part of linux
<midfavila-laptop>
i recommend you read about the filesystem if you're not familiar with it
<GalaxyNova>
midfavila-laptop: is that laptop on KISS linux
<midfavila-laptop>
yes
<midfavila-laptop>
all of my machines run KISS
<midfavila-laptop>
except for my media center
<acheam>
midfavila-laptop: why is your ps1 that?
<midfavila-laptop>
do>: ?
<GalaxyNova>
acheam: i thinks it's some kind of interpreter that he's running
<midfavila-laptop>
yeah, it's called "sh"
<midfavila-laptop>
:P
<acheam>
lol
<midfavila-laptop>
you might have heard of it
<GalaxyNova>
lol
<acheam>
but why that prompt?
<midfavila-laptop>
because I don't need a prompt to do anything other than prompt me
<midfavila-laptop>
at least on my laptop
<midfavila-laptop>
my desktop runs yash for an interactive shell, so it's a bit more featureful
<midfavila-laptop>
but I try to keep my laptop super lean
<midfavila-laptop>
so it just runs ksh
<midfavila-laptop>
oksh*
<schillingklaus>
my ps1 is "$ "
<GalaxyNova>
I just use the normal baselayout PS1
<GalaxyNova>
and just use ash
<midfavila-laptop>
busybox gives me cancer
<GalaxyNova>
why
<midfavila-laptop>
i dislike *box style executables
<midfavila-laptop>
and busybox has a lot of extraneous features, besides
<midfavila-laptop>
like colorization and columnization on directory listings, for example
<midfavila-laptop>
completely superfluous
<midfavila-laptop>
the latter doubly so, considering col is literally a thing
<GalaxyNova>
if you don't like the features you can always disable them when compilling busybox
<midfavila-laptop>
or I can just use a better userland
<GalaxyNova>
like?
<midfavila-laptop>
suckless core
<GalaxyNova>
suckless core has less utilities
<midfavila-laptop>
and yet it's more useful
<midfavila-laptop>
because it has everything I need and nothing I don't
<midfavila-laptop>
:P
<midfavila-laptop>
plus, I can build each executable standalone, and statically link them
<schillingklaus>
i dislike colourization
<midfavila-laptop>
and if I want to modify a given utility, the suckless code is much simpler and easier to understand
<midfavila-laptop>
meaning it's better for studying, as well
<GalaxyNova>
schillingklaus: so you run `ls --color=never`??
<midfavila-laptop>
>long options
<midfavila-laptop>
blech
<GalaxyNova>
lol
<GalaxyNova>
long options are bloat
<midfavila-laptop>
i mean
<midfavila-laptop>
unironically yes
<GalaxyNova>
return to '/' flags
<midfavila-laptop>
go back to NT
<midfavila-laptop>
we don't want your kind around here, MCSE
<GalaxyNova>
lol
<schillingklaus>
it suffices to adjust /etc/prtofile to refrain from using ls with colours
<GalaxyNova>
I'm a very visual person so I like having colors
<GalaxyNova>
otherwise everything looks the same
<midfavila-laptop>
color is nice when it's consistent and uniform
<midfavila-laptop>
the problem is that most terminals aren't color, and if they are, they're not consistent
<GalaxyNova>
I use dracula so literally everything I use has the same theme
<midfavila-laptop>
well
<midfavila-laptop>
terminal programs
<GalaxyNova>
just change the ~/.Xresources file?
<GalaxyNova>
or change the config values if you use ST?
<midfavila-laptop>
sorry - I should have been less ambiguous
<midfavila-laptop>
userspace tools that run in text mode - ls, cd, mv, etc - don't tend to be colorized, and if they are, they aren't consistent
<GalaxyNova>
ah
<GalaxyNova>
well
<schillingklaus>
dracula sucks
<midfavila-laptop>
it's a color scheme
<GalaxyNova>
dracula is the only theme that I can apply everywhere easily
<midfavila-laptop>
literally doesn't matter as long as people like it
<midfavila-laptop>
personally, if I could, I'd slap an acme-style theme on all my programs
<midfavila-laptop>
but I can't, so everything is grey instead
<GalaxyNova>
I don't even use non terminal programs besides qutebrowser
<GalaxyNova>
and qemu if you count that
<midfavila-laptop>
>they don't use a text-mode browser
<midfavila-laptop>
shame
<midfavila-laptop>
and qemu can run in the terminal
<midfavila-laptop>
so meh
<GalaxyNova>
haha
<GalaxyNova>
if u want graphics it can't
<midfavila-laptop>
i believe it can
<testuser[m]1>
Wat
<midfavila-laptop>
since its graphical stack is based on sdl, right?
<midfavila-laptop>
and sdl has a framebuffer backend if I recall
<GalaxyNova>
i think it's only for the tty
<midfavila-laptop>
well yes
<midfavila-laptop>
but that's *true* text mode :P
<GalaxyNova>
but ye the only thing I ever need to theme is my terminal and maybe neovim
<GalaxyNova>
then everything looks decently consistent
<midfavila-laptop>
nothing beats GEM gray
<GalaxyNova>
since I use a terminal IRC client
<GalaxyNova>
weechat is the best
<midfavila-laptop>
somewhat amusingly the only program I use that isn't text mode compatible is my IM client
<midfavila-laptop>
but I do keep a text-mode client around
<midfavila-laptop>
epic5
<GalaxyNova>
try weechat
<GalaxyNova>
it's great
<midfavila-laptop>
i'm good
<GalaxyNova>
best IRC client by far
<midfavila-laptop>
epic5 is efficient, fast and has a massively flexible scripting language
<midfavila-laptop>
not to mention it has a lineage of almost thirty years, so it's rock-solid
<GalaxyNova>
What turns me off about lots of GUI programs is a bunch of dependencies on GUI toolkits
<midfavila-laptop>
that's why I only use GTK2 stuff
<midfavila-laptop>
and maybe Xaw
<GalaxyNova>
then you install a few GUI programs and soon you have 3 versions of QT and 20 versions of GTK
<midfavila-laptop>
that just means you aren't committing to a single stack hard enough
<midfavila-laptop>
you might want to watch out for STLWRT
<midfavila-laptop>
it's a fork of gtk2 that attempts to unify GTK2/3/4
<GalaxyNova>
maybe
<schillingklaus>
qutebrowser is a qt thing
<GalaxyNova>
yeah
<midfavila-laptop>
wow, no way
<midfavila-laptop>
next thing I know you'll tell me that xterm is an x thing
<GalaxyNova>
but what's the alternative
<midfavila-laptop>
literally any other webkit browser
<GalaxyNova>
suckless surf always crashes and it's slow
<midfavila-laptop>
may I suggest: pale meme
<GalaxyNova>
webkit is slow and I've never had a good experience with it
<midfavila-laptop>
webkit is ass, yes
<GalaxyNova>
also there's the appeal of controling everything using vim keybindings
<midfavila-laptop>
use vimperator
<GalaxyNova>
not the same thing
<schillingklaus>
vimperator is ruined by firefox quantum
<midfavila-laptop>
pale moon still supports it
<midfavila-laptop>
ultimately if you prefer qutebrowser that's up to you
<midfavila-laptop>
there's luakit or whatever
<midfavila-laptop>
which also has le ebic meme bindings
<GalaxyNova>
I'll give it a try
<midfavila-laptop>
maybe one day you'll embrace links
<GalaxyNova>
the website gives off strong 2000s vibes lol
<schillingklaus>
luakit crashes a lot, as all gtk webkit2 browsers
<midfavila-laptop>
i find that the only sites that links can't handle are those with mandatory JS
<acheam>
I find ls colors to be super nice
<GalaxyNova>
come on
<midfavila-laptop>
but any site with mandatory JS probably isn't worth visiting...
<GalaxyNova>
using links in 2021 is impossible
<acheam>
quickly differentiate between folders, links, dirs, etx
<midfavila-laptop>
i daily it on both my machines GalaxyNova
<acheam>
even broken/working symlinks
<testuser[m]1>
its possible
<midfavila-laptop>
like it's my main browser
<midfavila-laptop>
i actually prefer it to using pale moon
<midfavila-laptop>
since it integrates super nicely
<acheam>
I wish I was like 95 so I had an excuse to not use the web
<GalaxyNova>
midfavila-laptop: good luck watching youtube in it, listening to spotify, editing documents in google docs, searching things on google maps, watching netflix, etc etc etc
<GalaxyNova>
all things I do on a daily basis
<midfavila-laptop>
i watch invidious without a single problem by piping video to ffplay, spotify is for literal children. you should download your music
<acheam>
GalaxyNova: youre not going to come to a pretty conclusion to this fight
<midfavila-laptop>
download your docs and edit them locally instead of relying on shitty glowie services
<acheam>
^
<schillingklaus>
i simply boycott youtube, google dox, maps, netflix,...
<midfavila-laptop>
use a decentralized map service if you must
<midfavila-laptop>
netflix is cringe and shit
<midfavila-laptop>
just stop
<GalaxyNova>
i need google docs for school
<midfavila-laptop>
uh huh
<acheam>
I copy and paste into google docs for school
<testuser[m]1>
bruh all those things are garbage
<GalaxyNova>
isn't downloading music illegal also haha
<acheam>
who tf cares
<midfavila-laptop>
>being constrained by The Man
<acheam>
I'm not calling the cops on you
<midfavila-laptop>
s
<midfavila-laptop>
m
<midfavila-laptop>
h
<GalaxyNova>
schillingklaus: and move to the mountains and become a monk
<acheam>
you should care more about hurting the artist
<midfavila-laptop>
^
<acheam>
so instead of buying Spotify, buy some band merch
<GalaxyNova>
buy KISS linux merch
<midfavila-laptop>
if I were to pay for music I would get it off bandcamp
<midfavila-laptop>
since afaik the artist gets most of the cut
<acheam>
ye
<midfavila-laptop>
but yeah
<midfavila-laptop>
streaming services are both a)
<acheam>
still proprietary though
<midfavila-laptop>
complexing
<midfavila-laptop>
and b) infuriating
<midfavila-laptop>
>complexing
<GalaxyNova>
as if taylor swift will come crying that I didn't give her 5 dollars on an albul lmao
<midfavila-laptop>
i can't spell
<midfavila-laptop>
i meant "perplexing"
<acheam>
I dont care that much about streaming, I care about DRM
<GalaxyNova>
yeah
<GalaxyNova>
the DRM sucks
<midfavila-laptop>
DRM is also hideous
<GalaxyNova>
it doesn't even work on musl
<midfavila-laptop>
which is why I don't pay for music
<acheam>
Netflix should just be a list of links I can play in MPV or whatever media player
<midfavila-laptop>
if you use DRM then I'm going to pirate your shit purely out of spite
<midfavila-laptop>
man
<acheam>
on the topic of pukeworthy software
<midfavila-laptop>
why do people use streaming services
<midfavila-laptop>
legit question
<acheam>
does zoom work in a glibc chroot?
<GalaxyNova>
ew
* midfavila-laptop
inhales
<acheam>
midfavila-laptop: convenience
<schillingklaus>
warner brothers and viagracom use DRM
<midfavila-laptop>
acheam but they're the opposite of convenience...
<GalaxyNova>
i woudn't let that shit near my computer
<GalaxyNova>
use a virtual machine
<acheam>
ive never had luck passing mic/camera through to a vm
<midfavila-laptop>
you need internet access at all times, you have to use their shitty client software, you can't find more obscure tracks, it's expensive, etc etc etc
<acheam>
and ive tried hard
<acheam>
both qemu and virtualbox
<midfavila-laptop>
whereas I can just download a rip of the track from invidious onto my local machine and call it a day
<GalaxyNova>
"how hard could it be"
<acheam>
virtualbox I got video, no sound, although with the proprietary extensions
<midfavila-laptop>
i used to use virtualbox
<acheam>
qemu I got nothing
<GalaxyNova>
same
<midfavila-laptop>
then I installed QEMU
<midfavila-laptop>
and was like
<GalaxyNova>
qemu is what i use
<acheam>
qemu is nice
<midfavila-laptop>
"holy fucking shit this is so much better"
<acheam>
its my usual
<midfavila-laptop>
i need to set my VMs back up, actually...
<midfavila-laptop>
i want to tinker with P9 again
<midfavila-laptop>
it would also be nice to see if mothra can render my site
<GalaxyNova>
I coudn't install Plan9
<acheam>
install it on bare metal, noob
<GalaxyNova>
ok
<GalaxyNova>
brb
* GalaxyNova
's computer exploded
* acheam
uninstalls KISS
<midfavila-laptop>
my machine is a little more complex than a 386DX acheam
<acheam>
bare. metal.
<midfavila-laptop>
get me an old machine and not only will I install it, I'll daily it
<acheam>
if it takes buying a 386, so be it
<midfavila-laptop>
i have zero issues working on older hardware
<schillingklaus>
plan9 is probably only suited for mouse fetishists
<GalaxyNova>
it felt clunky when I tried it
<GalaxyNova>
:/
<midfavila-laptop>
you know, if you haven't looked into it, you should probably keep your piece, klaus
<GalaxyNova>
I might give it another try but eh
<midfavila-laptop>
rio might be idiosyncratic, but it's very snappy, and the more important aspect of P9 is oP2000 and its network capabilities
<acheam>
ah you know youre home when the website is touting using PNGs as a feature of the site
<midfavila-laptop>
>not TIFF and BMP
<acheam>
wait, you dont base64 your bitmaps and put them in a p tag?
<midfavila-laptop>
"why would i encrypt my bitmap"
<acheam>
make sure to put the sha256 in a h1 below it
<midfavila-laptop>
even more secure than XOR
<acheam>
midfavila-laptop: because the government has all the TLS private keys
<acheam>
Need that extra layer
<midfavila-laptop>
you can't decrypt traffic to and fro my site if it was never encrypted in the first place
<midfavila-laptop>
take that, NSA
<acheam>
the encryption is in the fact it isnt encryption
<acheam>
you'll leave them stunned for days
<midfavila-laptop>
ye boi
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<midfavila-laptop>
fuck, it's already almost 0300
<midfavila-laptop>
i need to do the temporary die
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<testuser[m]1>
acheam: http://45.76.83.244:8000/ idk if it'll work though since i might've built it with native flags, only switched to generic flags few days back
<acheam>
by the end of the day this shalt not be an issue
<acheam>
there will be no more arch on this laptop
<dilyn>
one of us, one of us...
<dilyn>
applied tyty
<dilyn>
alright I think I fixed up the patch. I could theoretically make it smaller, but eeeeehhhhh
<testuser[m]1>
acheam did it work
<claudia>
dilyn: Didnt you update firefox-esr because of the patch? My apologies then, I reminded you because I thought you might have overseen it because none of our tools was recognizing its outdateness.
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<dilyn>
i updated it because of your ping and then I was informed that it was using git apply instead of patch -p1 <
<dilyn>
so I fixed that
<acheam>
testuser[m]1: i've downloaded it, will test it later
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<midfavila>
acheam i will never tolerate busybox
<midfavila>
even if dBSD is involved
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<kiedtl>
rip freenode
<kiedtl>
and rip #kisslinux there. it's been more than two years
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<riteo>
kiedtl: remember, the community isn't where it is, it's the people that make it
<riteo>
#kisslinux never moved anywhere, it's still itself
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<dilyn>
KISS is dead, long live KISS
<GalaxyNova>
I really don't get what the new owners are trying to achieve
<GalaxyNova>
they spent so much money only to then proceed to completely destroy the very thing they bought?
<GalaxyNova>
If they really didn't like how freenode was doing things and felt the need to completely rebuilt the platform why not just create a new network instead of destroyign an existing one
<GalaxyNova>
makes no sense to me :/
<kiedtl>
riteo: yeah, a weird nostalgia for *that particular* channel registration, haha
<noocsharp>
well, my pinephone can now make and receive calls
<noocsharp>
basically daily driver ready
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<GalaxyNova>
noocsharp: can you use SMS on it?
<noocsharp>
not yet, that's on the todo list
<kimerus>
I think in use a pixel 5 graphene instead pipephone
<jedavies>
noocsharp: what distro are you running on it?
<kimerus>
I see the reviews and is seems to much slow
<noocsharp>
jedavies: my oasis based one
<omanom>
noocsharp any hope for MMS too or is that a stretch goal
<noocsharp>
omanom: i mean i'd like to, but it seems pretty hard
<omanom>
oh for sure, just curious
<noocsharp>
if the actual competent modemmanager/ofono people are having a hard time with it, i'm not sure i'll be able to do it
<midfavila>
the only good thing about windows is that its UI *doesn't* change
<midfavila>
you have the taskbar, the startmenu, and the desktop.
<GalaxyNova>
well Microsoft has been constantily changing it since windows 8
<midfavila>
and every single time it's been a mistake.
<GalaxyNova>
Hopefully they don't do forced upgrades like they did with windows 10
<midfavila>
the application launcher looks like a fuckin android UI...
<dilyn>
we expected no different opinion from mid
<GalaxyNova>
lol
<GalaxyNova>
probably uses 4 gigabytes of ram just to boot
<dilyn>
the last time they dared to modify the start menu the internet shit itself so hard microsoft is still hearing shit for it
<dilyn>
gl msft
<midfavila>
*seriously*
<dilyn>
my only question is will it show me ads for candy crush
<midfavila>
win 9x was the best UI they had. most importantly, it was consistent
<midfavila>
and of course it will, dilyn
<midfavila>
you'll have to watch a five-second ad before you can log in
<dilyn>
again, we wouldn't expect any other different answer from you mid
<GalaxyNova>
midfavila: ew windows 9x UI was wayy to modern for me
<GalaxyNova>
use DOS or nothing
<midfavila>
consistent UX is more important than "modern" aesthetics.
<noocsharp>
for some reason the settings window is missing the close/minimize buttons... and it had them like 3 months ago
<noocsharp>
thanks msft
<midfavila>
Modern:tm: and Redesigned:tm:
<dilyn>
yeah and it looks super good
<midfavila>
If you say so.
<dilyn>
looks like they've borrowed features from KDE and dmenu/spotlight
<midfavila>
At least they have pages now.
<noocsharp>
and if you open the file manager, 2 different documents folders appear right next to each other
<GalaxyNova>
reminds me of KDE actually
<dilyn>
this is sleek
<claudia02>
dilyn, so binutils can just be removed? I do not onderstand the readme clearly when it says ".. use kiss a to switch to the llvm counterparts, except as."
<dilyn>
because no 'as' is provided; it's just llvm-as
<dilyn>
but yeah you don't need binutils
<dilyn>
i mean
<claudia02>
gotcha.
<dilyn>
make sure you have llvm-as first
<dilyn>
lol
<GalaxyNova>
isn't readelf used extensively in kiss?
<claudia02>
yes its there and happy building (:
<dilyn>
you might need gnu-as, though
<dilyn>
(which is just binutils as)
<dilyn>
which is in the wyverkiss repo
<claudia02>
yes this I got already.
<dilyn>
you only need it for a few things, namely firefox and nss (if you want intel optimizations)
<dilyn>
GalaxyNova: readelf is also provided by llvm
<GalaxyNova>
ah nice
<dilyn>
yeah. llvm is absolutely massive :v
<claudia02>
I try to build webkit now(without binutils(gnu-as)s
<GalaxyNova>
from my experience it takes ages to compile
<GalaxyNova>
llvm i mean
<dilyn>
all you need is 24 cores and you'll build it in less than 20 minutes (:
<claudia02>
If I would not have a seperate machine in another room I would definately not play with this.
<GalaxyNova>
wht not
<midfavila>
i see that MS is still trying to force people to sign up for an account
<midfavila>
very cool
<GalaxyNova>
yes
<GalaxyNova>
i think they deleted the option for an offline account
<GalaxyNova>
so now you are forced to use their microsoft account to use windows
* midfavila
grimaces
<midfavila>
do they at least have minesweeper again
<GalaxyNova>
but hey you get mOdERn uI
<noocsharp>
tbh minesweeper is all windows is good for
<midfavila>
gaymin
<GalaxyNova>
they don't even have minesweeper
<noocsharp>
and pinball
<GalaxyNova>
unless you sign in with an xbox account
<GalaxyNova>
and seel your soul to bill gates
<midfavila>
billy g
<dilyn>
if you aren't connected to the internet during install you can bypass creating an account
<midfavila>
that doesn't matter
<dilyn>
eyeroll
<dilyn>
sure
<dilyn>
it *is* shitty
<midfavila>
i shouldn't have to create a microsoft account just to use my PC. whether it's connected to the net or not.
<dilyn>
but for anyone INTERESTED
<midfavila>
anyone interested is just going to use one of those deshittification scripts
<dilyn>
smh
<noocsharp>
it's also hard to ignore the fact that windows is literal spyware
<GalaxyNova>
midfavila: that's not going to stop microsoft if they have some kind of spooky kernel level spyware
<GalaxyNova>
which they probably have
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<midfavila>
if you're using windows because you want security, you have bigger problems than your lack of technical sense...
<m3g>
Leaked WXP SC + a wine fork to make a proper layer
<GalaxyNova>
I do quite enjoy their new icon theme
<GalaxyNova>
reminds me of breeze theme
<midfavila>
i was reading about Multics the other day... apparently it was actually deployed
<midfavila>
and in some pretty high-security environments, too
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<acheam>
those of you who autolaunch tmux/dvtm in a terminal: how do you deal with the sessions just piling up
<acheam>
like, I have 36 ash sessions running according to htop
<riteo>
ok so, I tried windows 11
<riteo>
It seriously feels like a weird linux distro
<riteo>
I'm not joking, have you seen the new default win32 theme? Looks straight out of gtk
<GalaxyNova>
lol
<GalaxyNova>
download link?
<riteo>
I got a magnet cause my stupid ass crashed while downloading from mega and capped
<riteo>
mega or torrent?
<GalaxyNova>
mega
<GalaxyNova>
in case my isp goes crazy
<riteo>
can I- can I post it there?
<riteo>
I mean here?
<GalaxyNova>
idk
<riteo>
just to be sure
<GalaxyNova>
post it
<claudia02>
wont u do this in private?
<GalaxyNova>
that would be a great idea
<claudia02>
This is a logged chanel after all
<GalaxyNova>
if i would know how to private message on irc
<riteo>
I mean, I got linked the library genesis here
<riteo>
dilyn: can we do this?
<GalaxyNova>
i guess it's safer to take it to PMs
<riteo>
ok
<riteo>
how
<acheam>
/msg GalaxyNova
<GalaxyNova>
you can use /msg <username> <message>
<claudia02>
I mean if u take drugs, thats ok but dont do it in front of the kids.
<GalaxyNova>
LOL
* acheam
puts his hands over midfavila's eyes
<riteo>
it says that I have to log in
<riteo>
we'll have to do it in front of everyone I guess
<acheam>
/msg nickserv help
<GalaxyNova>
don't you have a registered nick?
<riteo>
no?
<GalaxyNova>
oh
<GalaxyNova>
/msg nickserv help
<GalaxyNova>
and create an account
<GalaxyNova>
it's good to have a registered account anyway
* midfavila
flails
<riteo>
I think I did it
<midfavila>
Unhand me, creature
<riteo>
can we do drugs now?
<riteo>
would you guys mind if we did them here?
<GalaxyNova>
drugs bad
<riteo>
I see
<midfavila>
people always say "drugs are bad"
<midfavila>
but nobody ever says "drugs why bad?"
<riteo>
did it
<riteo>
goodbye guys, it's been nice talking with you
<riteo>
I have no idea whether it was against any ToS
<riteo>
but I mean, we talked about the genesis library sooo, maybe I'm fine?
<GalaxyNova>
I honestly think we're fine
<GalaxyNova>
it's not piracy
<riteo>
it's just running confidential development copies of paid software
<GalaxyNova>
basically yeah xD
<riteo>
acheam: you can unblind mid
<riteo>
now
<riteo>
now I'm seriously scared for my account, I've even registered it with my email address
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<riteo>
my PAID email address
<riteo>
time to read libera chat's ToS
<riteo>
you know what
<riteo>
this never happened
<acheam>
lol your fine
<riteo>
actually I think you're right
<riteo>
what are they gonna say? YOU DOWNLOADED WINDWOS 11!!!!!111
<riteo>
THAT'S LILEGAL!!1!!!11
<GalaxyNova>
lmao
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<riteo>
I really gotta send you some pictures, it's crazy
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<riteo>
oh my fucking god
<riteo>
I deleted 1(one) shortcut and like 3 cmds popped on my screen
<GalaxyNova>
welcome to windows
<acheam>
its a beta version of the most complex os ever, even in the release version there are bugs aplenty
<acheam>
but tbh idk at all
<GalaxyNova>
and from my knoledge of Microsoft I can guarantee that it WONT be getting better in the release
<acheam>
s/idk/idc/g
<acheam>
proprietary garbagio
<soliwilos>
Your computer is likely screaming in binary for what you have done.. :p
<riteo>
wew I'm finally unstuck from my qemu trap
<riteo>
I swear I saw this thing happen on my teachers' pc too
<riteo>
I thought it was some school software doing some weird thing but not
<riteo>
s/not/no/
<GalaxyNova>
riteo: your teacher was running windows 11 in a qemu virtual machine?
<riteo>
no lol
<riteo>
on a windows 10 PC IIRC
<riteo>
I can't fucking believe it
<riteo>
my ALARMS AND CLOCK program automatically updated itself
<riteo>
imagine running a end-of-may build and having to update your CLOCK
<riteo>
the more I use this build the more I'm losing my mind
<sad_plan>
firefox is still failing for me when trying to build with pgo and lto. says profileserver.py returned non-zero exit status 245