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<claudia> jedavies: I have now tested serious engine with assets for first/second encounter. Both start(menu) but when starting the actual game, both crash and segfault.
<jedavies> Interesting, you were doing same as the arch build file?
<claudia> In the end probably, but I made my own build file. http://ix.io/3pYS
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<acheam> claudia: I put the variable scroll speed stuff into chorizo
<acheam> thanks for the rec :)
<claudia> acheam: nice!
<claudia> I am still about to try it out extensively. Haven found the muse to tinker with it.
<claudia> But this is great stuff ^^
<claudia> jedavies: Ah, and I put my the compiled binary and the single .gro file into base/Bin from my gamecopy, like mentioned in the readme. https://github.com/ptitSeb/Serious-Engine/blob/master/README.md#copy-official-game-data-optional
<jedavies> Thanks, will try out your script
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<jedavies> noocsharp: mesa took 45 min to build
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<kimerus> Kiss woks well with toybox?
<GalaxyNova> kimerus: There's nothing that would stop it from not working well!
<GalaxyNova> as long as it has sed -i then everything should work
<kimerus> Then why kiss had busybox has default?
<kimerus> Toybox is more lightweight
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<noocsharp> jedavies: the stock package in repo/extra?
<noocsharp> that's not too bad
<jedavies> noocsharp: some changes from stock: http://0x0.st/-LU0.sh
<jedavies> Don't think I'll be building much on that machine, much quicker to cross build
<jedavies> on a quicker machine
<noocsharp> ah i see, not as good as i thought, but still reasonable for a new architecture without billions of dollars behind it
<noocsharp> actually maybe a few billion dollars, but not trillions like arm or x86
<GalaxyNova> kimerus: is toybox really more light than busybox
<GalaxyNova> busybox boasts about how goot it is for embeded hardware
<GalaxyNova> good
<kimerus> Good answer
<kimerus> D
<kimerus> I don't know if is major but i think the major of kiss users don't even use a embedded hardware
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<GalaxyNova> either way if you don't like busybox it's trivially easy to fork the rootfs to use toybox
<GalaxyNova> and everything will work fine because packages don't explicitly depend on busybox
<GalaxyNova> also kimerus, you can strip down busybox to icnlude less utilities if you are really concirned about that kind of stuff
<kimerus> Yeah i know
<kimerus> I will go with sbase or similar stuff, less complicated
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<Sweets> .
<Sweets> hello
<Sweets> friends
<GalaxyNova> hello
<m3g> hi
<GalaxyNova> Sweets: I didn't realize you were the one who created hummingbird init lol
<GalaxyNova> I've used it before in an LFS install
<midfavila-laptop> hey, Sweets
<midfavila-laptop> what's up?
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<Sweets> GalaxyNova ye, I made hummingbird
<Sweets> midfavila- working on memory injection rn
<midfavila-laptop> Sorry - "memory injection"? In what context?
<Sweets> in the context of finding an arbitrary address in memory and making it spawn a thread that has elevated priveleges
<Sweets> macos
<midfavila-laptop> That's neat. Apart from, you know, Mac :P /s
<Sweets> macos goes hard
<midfavila-laptop> the thing that bothers me is like
<GalaxyNova> idk it's just odd that you use mac and are interested in distros like KISS
<midfavila-laptop> 1) not a fan of some of the stuff Aqua does
<midfavila-laptop> (but the titlebar along the top that integrates with the current focused program is really cool)
<noocsharp> im pretty sure aqua has been dead for like 10 years
<Sweets> GalaxyNova I mean, it is *nix
<midfavila-laptop> ...wait, isn't Aqua what the "DE" so to speak of MacOS is called?
<midfavila-laptop> I swear to god it is.
<GalaxyNova> Sweets: it's very different from KISS or Linux in general
<Sweets> that and I've always been interested in kiss, even before dylan made it
<midfavila-laptop> maximum hipster
<Sweets> dylan and I were talking about making distros before he made it lol
<midfavila-laptop> "I was into this thing before it even EXISTED"
<Sweets> I mean
<Sweets> yeah
<Sweets> dylan's my friend, I like watching my friends and their projects succeed
<Sweets> hence I support it a lot too :)
<midfavila-laptop> unrelated, but on the topic of macos guis - platinum is super aesthetic
<Sweets> anyways, GalaxyNova, idk, it is pretty different, but you go deep enough past the userspace and eventually it's all just some weird purgatory of pain and memory addresses
<Sweets> plus most unix like systems work just about the same
<midfavila-laptop> something something "I know this..!"
<Sweets> macos gui isn't bad. macos really succeeds in GUIs
<midfavila-laptop> that's one thing I can't not give apple
<midfavila-laptop> they clearly put a lot of effort into look and feel
<midfavila-laptop> very polished
<midfavila-laptop> just... not polished in a way that I personally like. kek
<noocsharp> have you seen https://annoying.technology ?
<Sweets> most everything they do is polished, part of why I prefer macos to linux
<noocsharp> it's a bunch of counter-examples
<acheam> yes but its for $$$ not for the customers sake directly
<Sweets> poettering is ruining the linux userspace
<Sweets> along with freedesktop
<acheam> what's wrong with freedesktop?
<Sweets> freedesktop, GNU, suckless, poettering, they're what's wrong with linux
<acheam> xorg, xdg base dirs, etc etc?
<Sweets> acheam: X, Wayland, xdg, systemd, the list goes on
<acheam> without GNU thered be no modern desktop linux the way we know it
<midfavila-laptop> don't tell me you're one of those "fragmentation is why Linux failed" people
<Sweets> I'm not saying GNU isn't without credit
<Sweets> doesn't mean I like them though
<Sweets> and no
<Sweets> I'm not
<acheam> Sweets: so youre just suggesting abandon display servers?
<acheam> what's the actual issue with freedesktop
<Sweets> I'm suggesting that X11 is old and Wayland isn't the solution
<midfavila-laptop> i mean, I kinda get the FDesktop issues
<acheam> okay, but its a novel approach
<Sweets> freedesktop as an organization is horrid, especially when it comes to documentation
<midfavila-laptop> they just arbitrarily establish "standards"
<Sweets> ^
<midfavila-laptop> that - honestly - kind of suck
<acheam> someone's gotta do it
<acheam> not like ISO or ANSI will
<midfavila-laptop> yeah, well, that's why there's the ICCCM and EWMH and whatnot...
<Sweets> ICCCM and EWMH are both bad solutions to arbitrary problems
<Sweets> ewmh in particular is horrid
<midfavila-laptop> i'm not saying they're *good*
<midfavila-laptop> just that they're less awful than most of what FD and XDG pull
<acheam> you really want to go through ICCCM to decide where desktop icons should be in the file hierarchy?
<midfavila-laptop> i mean
<midfavila-laptop> /usr/share/pixmaps or w/e
<midfavila-laptop> it already exists
<midfavila-laptop> i feel like the problem with linux isn't that there are too many or not enough standards
<Sweets> fonts also
<midfavila-laptop> it's that everyone thinks they know what's best for linux
<Sweets> fonts are the worst on linux
<midfavila-laptop> and they try to enforce that on everyone else, instead of building their own little walled garden
<Sweets> jokes on you, I built my own little walled garden, AND lived in it
<midfavila-laptop> i think a good example of the "walled garden" approach would be like
<midfavila-laptop> idk
<Sweets> for quite a few years
<midfavila-laptop> enlightenment
<midfavila-laptop> enlightenment is really cool
<midfavila-laptop> where they have their own infrastructure and stuff, and just kinda do their own thing and stick with it
<midfavila-laptop> instead of "innovating:tm:" every few years like GNOME or whatever
<Sweets> can we go back to gnome 2.x days
<Sweets> things were simpler
<midfavila-laptop> GNOME 1
<midfavila-laptop> Sawfish >>> Metacity
<midfavila-laptop> ...at least I think gnome 2 used metacity...
<midfavila-laptop> disclaimer, the only time I've ever used GNOME was one time when I installed Kali on a burner system
<midfavila-laptop> it was... not very good
<Sweets> I'd really have to dig it up, but throw back to when GNOME 3.x-4.x devs were trying to get rid of desktop notifications because "nobody uses them" and the devs had never "seen them be used"
<midfavila-laptop> cringe
<midfavila-laptop> they have to polish the Gnome:tm: Experience:r:
<Sweets> yeah that was a good one
<midfavila-laptop> in GNOME 500 there won't even be buttons
<midfavila-laptop> it'll just autostart your browser
<Sweets> gnome 500 won't even come for a display, you just have to imagine it
<midfavila-laptop> lmao
<midfavila-laptop> "now you can customize it all you want. fuckers."
<Sweets> no, I still have to pay for a theme on gnome-look
<midfavila-laptop> i like to stereotype gnome developers as "artistes"
<midfavila-laptop> really self-righteous fart huffers who think their post-post-modernist cubism is super deep and shit
<Sweets> they're artists in the same sense that I'm an artist for rubbing my nutsack on a foggy window and you can see the exact path I took over it
<midfavila-laptop> but Sweets
<midfavila-laptop> that's clearly a critique of the capitalist patriarchy
<midfavila-laptop> someone'll pay good money to hang that window on their wall
<Sweets> clearly.
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<midfavila-laptop> i think if you *really* wanted to have a critique of modern society, you know what you do?
<midfavila-laptop> create a parody of the old statues, like The Thinker or something
<midfavila-laptop> but he's just staring at a smartphone
<midfavila-laptop> make the whole statue super bland and uninteresting and then go crazy on the smartphone details
<Sweets> nobody would see it, they're too busy doing the same thing the statue is doing
<midfavila-laptop> hmm
<midfavila-laptop> true
<midfavila-laptop> i think if I created such a statue, I'd call it "The Socialite"
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<GalaxyNova> Sweets: why is GNU bad?
<GalaxyNova> I mean yeah their tools are not very standards complaint but as long as they are not part of the core system it's fine with me
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<midfavila-laptop> holy shit you guys
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<midfavila-laptop> this theme is fantastic
<acheam> midfavila-laptop: Kali doesn't provide a good gnome experience
<acheam> I wouldn't judge just off of that
<midfavila-laptop> kali doesn't provide a good anything experience
<midfavila-laptop> i don't even like it for use as a pentesting toolkit
<midfavila-laptop> blackarch is unironically better in a lot of ways. includes less shit out of the box and has just as many if not more tools available
<midfavila-laptop> i know that the ebic heckers in here will probably roast me for my take but idec at this point
<testuser[m]1> Hi
<midfavila-laptop> ih
<acheam> hi
<midfavila-laptop> bleh, gonna have to rebind my caps lock to ctrl, on my laptop
<midfavila-laptop> i'm already starting to experience the effects of emacs pinky thanks to stumpwm
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<testuser[m]1> dilyn: can you change this git apply to patch -p1 https://github.com/kiss-community/repo/blob/master/extra/firefox-esr/build
<testuser[m]1> For some reason when i updated it, busybox patch was having trouble applying some part of the patch, gnu patch was failing on another part. Only git apply worked
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<midfavila-laptop> just added a modeline to my tiling wm config, am I cool yet
<testuser[m]1> What's a modeline
<midfavila-laptop> ever use emacs or vim or w/e?
<midfavila-laptop> it's the bit at the bottom of the display
<midfavila-laptop> tells you what file you're editing, current mode, etc
<midfavila-laptop> general info like that
<testuser[m]1> Oh
<midfavila-laptop> yeah
<GalaxyNova> oh interesintg
<testuser[m]1> What info does it show in the wm modeline
<midfavila-laptop> http://0x0.st/-L0g.png
<midfavila-laptop> just windows, time and date rn
<testuser[m]1> Nice
<midfavila-laptop> i want to extend it with info like wireless signal integrity, battery capacity, CPU, RAM and disk usage, etc
<GalaxyNova> interesting
<GalaxyNova> what window manager is that
<midfavila-laptop> stumpwm
<midfavila-laptop> i need to get around to packaging it
<midfavila-laptop> but if you want to try it out, I have the dependency (Steel Bank Common Lisp) packaged
<midfavila-laptop> ...actually, I don't know if the SDF sysops have updated the SSL cert...
<midfavila-laptop> they have not
<midfavila-laptop> cringe and reddit-pilled. get on that
<GalaxyNova> midfavila-laptop: never heard of that wm
<midfavila-laptop> it's the successor to ratpoison
<midfavila-laptop> which you might have heard
<GalaxyNova> oh yes
<midfavila-laptop> heard of*
<midfavila-laptop> yeah, the devs were apparently implementing a bunch of lisp stuff
<midfavila-laptop> so they were like
<midfavila-laptop> "why are we writing this in C and implementing all this crap when we can just write it in lisp"
<midfavila-laptop> and then they did that
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<midfavila-laptop> i really need to write a script to control my laptop's backlight...
<midfavila-laptop> maybe automate changes with cron. that would be niftyy
<midfavila-laptop> nifty*
<testuser[m]1> Do it
<midfavila-laptop> i used to use a dedicated utility to manage such things
<midfavila-laptop> i think it was xbacklight
<midfavila-laptop> but then I realized "wait a sec"
<midfavila-laptop> "this is exposed via sysfs"
<GalaxyNova> i think you can just edit the values directly in /proc IIRC
<midfavila-laptop> proc might have it, but I tend to manipulate my hardware via sysfs
<midfavila-laptop> so like, my modem initialization script does a bunch of black magic via sysfs, for example
<schillingklaus> is sysfs a systemd thing?
<midfavila-laptop> no
<midfavila-laptop> it's a virtual filesystem that's part of linux
<midfavila-laptop> i recommend you read about the filesystem if you're not familiar with it
<GalaxyNova> midfavila-laptop: is that laptop on KISS linux
<midfavila-laptop> yes
<midfavila-laptop> all of my machines run KISS
<midfavila-laptop> except for my media center
<acheam> midfavila-laptop: why is your ps1 that?
<midfavila-laptop> do>: ?
<GalaxyNova> acheam: i thinks it's some kind of interpreter that he's running
<midfavila-laptop> yeah, it's called "sh"
<midfavila-laptop> :P
<acheam> lol
<midfavila-laptop> you might have heard of it
<GalaxyNova> lol
<acheam> but why that prompt?
<midfavila-laptop> because I don't need a prompt to do anything other than prompt me
<midfavila-laptop> at least on my laptop
<midfavila-laptop> my desktop runs yash for an interactive shell, so it's a bit more featureful
<midfavila-laptop> but I try to keep my laptop super lean
<midfavila-laptop> so it just runs ksh
<midfavila-laptop> oksh*
<schillingklaus> my ps1 is "$ "
<GalaxyNova> I just use the normal baselayout PS1
<GalaxyNova> and just use ash
<midfavila-laptop> busybox gives me cancer
<GalaxyNova> why
<midfavila-laptop> i dislike *box style executables
<midfavila-laptop> and busybox has a lot of extraneous features, besides
<midfavila-laptop> like colorization and columnization on directory listings, for example
<midfavila-laptop> completely superfluous
<midfavila-laptop> the latter doubly so, considering col is literally a thing
<GalaxyNova> if you don't like the features you can always disable them when compilling busybox
<midfavila-laptop> or I can just use a better userland
<GalaxyNova> like?
<midfavila-laptop> suckless core
<GalaxyNova> suckless core has less utilities
<midfavila-laptop> and yet it's more useful
<midfavila-laptop> because it has everything I need and nothing I don't
<midfavila-laptop> :P
<midfavila-laptop> plus, I can build each executable standalone, and statically link them
<schillingklaus> i dislike colourization
<midfavila-laptop> and if I want to modify a given utility, the suckless code is much simpler and easier to understand
<midfavila-laptop> meaning it's better for studying, as well
<GalaxyNova> schillingklaus: so you run `ls --color=never`??
<midfavila-laptop> >long options
<midfavila-laptop> blech
<GalaxyNova> lol
<GalaxyNova> long options are bloat
<midfavila-laptop> i mean
<midfavila-laptop> unironically yes
<GalaxyNova> return to '/' flags
<midfavila-laptop> go back to NT
<midfavila-laptop> we don't want your kind around here, MCSE
<GalaxyNova> lol
<schillingklaus> it suffices to adjust /etc/prtofile to refrain from using ls with colours
<GalaxyNova> I'm a very visual person so I like having colors
<GalaxyNova> otherwise everything looks the same
<midfavila-laptop> color is nice when it's consistent and uniform
<midfavila-laptop> the problem is that most terminals aren't color, and if they are, they're not consistent
<GalaxyNova> I use dracula so literally everything I use has the same theme
<midfavila-laptop> well
<midfavila-laptop> terminal programs
<GalaxyNova> just change the ~/.Xresources file?
<GalaxyNova> or change the config values if you use ST?
<midfavila-laptop> sorry - I should have been less ambiguous
<midfavila-laptop> userspace tools that run in text mode - ls, cd, mv, etc - don't tend to be colorized, and if they are, they aren't consistent
<GalaxyNova> ah
<GalaxyNova> well
<schillingklaus> dracula sucks
<midfavila-laptop> it's a color scheme
<GalaxyNova> dracula is the only theme that I can apply everywhere easily
<midfavila-laptop> literally doesn't matter as long as people like it
<midfavila-laptop> personally, if I could, I'd slap an acme-style theme on all my programs
<midfavila-laptop> but I can't, so everything is grey instead
<GalaxyNova> I don't even use non terminal programs besides qutebrowser
<GalaxyNova> and qemu if you count that
<midfavila-laptop> >they don't use a text-mode browser
<midfavila-laptop> shame
<midfavila-laptop> and qemu can run in the terminal
<midfavila-laptop> so meh
<GalaxyNova> haha
<GalaxyNova> if u want graphics it can't
<midfavila-laptop> i believe it can
<testuser[m]1> Wat
<midfavila-laptop> since its graphical stack is based on sdl, right?
<midfavila-laptop> and sdl has a framebuffer backend if I recall
<GalaxyNova> i think it's only for the tty
<midfavila-laptop> well yes
<midfavila-laptop> but that's *true* text mode :P
<GalaxyNova> but ye the only thing I ever need to theme is my terminal and maybe neovim
<GalaxyNova> then everything looks decently consistent
<midfavila-laptop> nothing beats GEM gray
<GalaxyNova> since I use a terminal IRC client
<GalaxyNova> weechat is the best
<midfavila-laptop> somewhat amusingly the only program I use that isn't text mode compatible is my IM client
<midfavila-laptop> but I do keep a text-mode client around
<midfavila-laptop> epic5
<GalaxyNova> try weechat
<GalaxyNova> it's great
<midfavila-laptop> i'm good
<GalaxyNova> best IRC client by far
<midfavila-laptop> epic5 is efficient, fast and has a massively flexible scripting language
<midfavila-laptop> not to mention it has a lineage of almost thirty years, so it's rock-solid
<GalaxyNova> What turns me off about lots of GUI programs is a bunch of dependencies on GUI toolkits
<midfavila-laptop> that's why I only use GTK2 stuff
<midfavila-laptop> and maybe Xaw
<GalaxyNova> then you install a few GUI programs and soon you have 3 versions of QT and 20 versions of GTK
<midfavila-laptop> that just means you aren't committing to a single stack hard enough
<midfavila-laptop> you might want to watch out for STLWRT
<midfavila-laptop> it's a fork of gtk2 that attempts to unify GTK2/3/4
<GalaxyNova> maybe
<schillingklaus> qutebrowser is a qt thing
<GalaxyNova> yeah
<midfavila-laptop> wow, no way
<midfavila-laptop> next thing I know you'll tell me that xterm is an x thing
<GalaxyNova> but what's the alternative
<midfavila-laptop> literally any other webkit browser
<GalaxyNova> suckless surf always crashes and it's slow
<midfavila-laptop> may I suggest: pale meme
<GalaxyNova> webkit is slow and I've never had a good experience with it
<midfavila-laptop> webkit is ass, yes
<GalaxyNova> also there's the appeal of controling everything using vim keybindings
<midfavila-laptop> use vimperator
<GalaxyNova> not the same thing
<schillingklaus> vimperator is ruined by firefox quantum
<midfavila-laptop> pale moon still supports it
<midfavila-laptop> ultimately if you prefer qutebrowser that's up to you
<midfavila-laptop> there's luakit or whatever
<midfavila-laptop> which also has le ebic meme bindings
<GalaxyNova> I'll give it a try
<midfavila-laptop> maybe one day you'll embrace links
<GalaxyNova> the website gives off strong 2000s vibes lol
<schillingklaus> luakit crashes a lot, as all gtk webkit2 browsers
<midfavila-laptop> i find that the only sites that links can't handle are those with mandatory JS
<acheam> I find ls colors to be super nice
<GalaxyNova> come on
<midfavila-laptop> but any site with mandatory JS probably isn't worth visiting...
<GalaxyNova> using links in 2021 is impossible
<acheam> quickly differentiate between folders, links, dirs, etx
<midfavila-laptop> i daily it on both my machines GalaxyNova
<acheam> even broken/working symlinks
<testuser[m]1> its possible
<midfavila-laptop> like it's my main browser
<midfavila-laptop> i actually prefer it to using pale moon
<midfavila-laptop> since it integrates super nicely
<acheam> I wish I was like 95 so I had an excuse to not use the web
<GalaxyNova> midfavila-laptop: good luck watching youtube in it, listening to spotify, editing documents in google docs, searching things on google maps, watching netflix, etc etc etc
<GalaxyNova> all things I do on a daily basis
<midfavila-laptop> i watch invidious without a single problem by piping video to ffplay, spotify is for literal children. you should download your music
<acheam> GalaxyNova: youre not going to come to a pretty conclusion to this fight
<midfavila-laptop> download your docs and edit them locally instead of relying on shitty glowie services
<acheam> ^
<schillingklaus> i simply boycott youtube, google dox, maps, netflix,...
<midfavila-laptop> use a decentralized map service if you must
<midfavila-laptop> netflix is cringe and shit
<midfavila-laptop> just stop
<GalaxyNova> i need google docs for school
<midfavila-laptop> uh huh
<acheam> I copy and paste into google docs for school
<testuser[m]1> bruh all those things are garbage
<GalaxyNova> isn't downloading music illegal also haha
<acheam> who tf cares
<midfavila-laptop> >being constrained by The Man
<acheam> I'm not calling the cops on you
<midfavila-laptop> s
<midfavila-laptop> m
<midfavila-laptop> h
<GalaxyNova> schillingklaus: and move to the mountains and become a monk
<acheam> you should care more about hurting the artist
<midfavila-laptop> ^
<acheam> so instead of buying Spotify, buy some band merch
<GalaxyNova> buy KISS linux merch
<midfavila-laptop> if I were to pay for music I would get it off bandcamp
<midfavila-laptop> since afaik the artist gets most of the cut
<acheam> ye
<midfavila-laptop> but yeah
<midfavila-laptop> streaming services are both a)
<acheam> still proprietary though
<midfavila-laptop> complexing
<midfavila-laptop> and b) infuriating
<midfavila-laptop> >complexing
<GalaxyNova> as if taylor swift will come crying that I didn't give her 5 dollars on an albul lmao
<midfavila-laptop> i can't spell
<midfavila-laptop> i meant "perplexing"
<acheam> I dont care that much about streaming, I care about DRM
<GalaxyNova> yeah
<GalaxyNova> the DRM sucks
<midfavila-laptop> DRM is also hideous
<GalaxyNova> it doesn't even work on musl
<midfavila-laptop> which is why I don't pay for music
<acheam> Netflix should just be a list of links I can play in MPV or whatever media player
<midfavila-laptop> if you use DRM then I'm going to pirate your shit purely out of spite
<midfavila-laptop> man
<acheam> on the topic of pukeworthy software
<midfavila-laptop> why do people use streaming services
<midfavila-laptop> legit question
<acheam> does zoom work in a glibc chroot?
<GalaxyNova> ew
* midfavila-laptop inhales
<acheam> midfavila-laptop: convenience
<schillingklaus> warner brothers and viagracom use DRM
<midfavila-laptop> acheam but they're the opposite of convenience...
<GalaxyNova> i woudn't let that shit near my computer
<GalaxyNova> use a virtual machine
<acheam> ive never had luck passing mic/camera through to a vm
<midfavila-laptop> you need internet access at all times, you have to use their shitty client software, you can't find more obscure tracks, it's expensive, etc etc etc
<acheam> and ive tried hard
<acheam> both qemu and virtualbox
<midfavila-laptop> whereas I can just download a rip of the track from invidious onto my local machine and call it a day
<GalaxyNova> "how hard could it be"
<acheam> virtualbox I got video, no sound, although with the proprietary extensions
<midfavila-laptop> i used to use virtualbox
<acheam> qemu I got nothing
<GalaxyNova> same
<midfavila-laptop> then I installed QEMU
<midfavila-laptop> and was like
<GalaxyNova> qemu is what i use
<acheam> qemu is nice
<midfavila-laptop> "holy fucking shit this is so much better"
<acheam> its my usual
<midfavila-laptop> i need to set my VMs back up, actually...
<midfavila-laptop> i want to tinker with P9 again
<midfavila-laptop> it would also be nice to see if mothra can render my site
<GalaxyNova> I coudn't install Plan9
<acheam> install it on bare metal, noob
<GalaxyNova> ok
<GalaxyNova> brb
* GalaxyNova 's computer exploded
* acheam uninstalls KISS
<midfavila-laptop> my machine is a little more complex than a 386DX acheam
<acheam> bare. metal.
<midfavila-laptop> get me an old machine and not only will I install it, I'll daily it
<acheam> if it takes buying a 386, so be it
<midfavila-laptop> i have zero issues working on older hardware
<schillingklaus> plan9 is probably only suited for mouse fetishists
<GalaxyNova> it felt clunky when I tried it
<GalaxyNova> :/
<midfavila-laptop> you know, if you haven't looked into it, you should probably keep your piece, klaus
<GalaxyNova> I might give it another try but eh
<midfavila-laptop> rio might be idiosyncratic, but it's very snappy, and the more important aspect of P9 is oP2000 and its network capabilities
<acheam> ah you know youre home when the website is touting using PNGs as a feature of the site
<midfavila-laptop> >not TIFF and BMP
<acheam> wait, you dont base64 your bitmaps and put them in a p tag?
<midfavila-laptop> "why would i encrypt my bitmap"
<acheam> make sure to put the sha256 in a h1 below it
<midfavila-laptop> even more secure than XOR
<acheam> midfavila-laptop: because the government has all the TLS private keys
<acheam> Need that extra layer
<midfavila-laptop> you can't decrypt traffic to and fro my site if it was never encrypted in the first place
<midfavila-laptop> take that, NSA
<acheam> the encryption is in the fact it isnt encryption
<acheam> you'll leave them stunned for days
<midfavila-laptop> ye boi
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<midfavila-laptop> fuck, it's already almost 0300
<midfavila-laptop> i need to do the temporary die
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<testuser[m]1> acheam: http://45.76.83.244:8000/ idk if it'll work though since i might've built it with native flags, only switched to generic flags few days back
<testuser[m]1> sha256 fb4d9934eda8213e2bbe05d17e9a9006c0b0d67282449516430e2773c71d3226
<acheam> thank you!
<acheam> am on phone right now, OK if I grab it in 10 hrs or so?
<testuser[m]1> Unless my server burns down you should be ok
<acheam> also what happened to duckdns
<testuser[m]1> im trying out python http.server
<acheam> YOURE DOING WHAT
<acheam> /s
<acheam> that shouldn't stop you from using duckdns though right?
<testuser[m]1> yeah
<testuser[m]1> I'll look into it
<testuser[m]1> oh you can access it via my duckdns domains too
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<testuser[m]1> why does `sed 's/oldver/newver/g' version source -i; kiss c; gh pr create` feel so productive
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<riteo> I fell asleep with my pc on
<riteo> truly epic
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<omanom> testuser[m]1 yess.. yessss.... come to the dark side of python lol
<testuser[m]1> im on it already
<testuser[m]1> :p
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<kimerus> Hi guys
<riteo> hi!
<kimerus> Someone knows a good wiki or man page to busybox crond? I need to set trim to my ssd
<acheam> should be standard POSIX cron
<acheam> just start the service, and throw things in your crontab
<omanom> there's info about configuration and usage in the file itself
<acheam> huh there's a lot of interesting stuff there
<acheam> run as root, not setuid root
<acheam> and its written by the dragonfly BSD guy
<acheam> midfavila: love busybox now, or what
<rio6> all we need now is busybox bootloader and busybox kernel
<riteo> systemb
<omanom> freenode switched to inspircd
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<omanom> https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_suicide it gets crazier and crazier
<micr0> is it only zr that has ability to give cloak?
<micr0> I think we are in exact opposite timezones
<omanom> if you just want user cloak you go to... #liberacloak i think? and there's a bot that hands them out
<omanom> for kiss-specific cloak yeah i think its just them right now
<omanom> ah its #libera-cloak and you say !cloakme for the bot to hit you up
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<riteo> midfavila: I stumbled on the final solution to HDMI while surfing the web
<riteo> behold: http://0x0.st/-LkD.jpg
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<micr0> @omanom cool, this is good in the interim, thank you
<rio6> seems like all that is left of freenode is the name
<rio6> why is what lee bought originally so :P
<rio6> *which IS
<rio6> he coul've start a new network using freenode.net and get the same thing as now
<rio6> wow I can't type
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<dilyn> git-bruh: can do, thanks for the notice.
<dilyn> looks like it doesn't even need the rust patch...
<dilyn> ...and as with all things, i hath spake 2 soon: ` 1:33.13 error[E0432]: unresolved import `crate::arch::x86_64::__m64``
<acheam> micr0: I thought you were in the US?
<acheam> also dilyn should have the perms to do it, just might not know how to
<dilyn> i know nothing of the mystical might of IRC
<omanom> should the chorizo depends file be named "depends" instead of "dep"?
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<dilyn> ...yes...
<micr0> acheam yep, EST mostly
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<dilyn> can we be lazy and just disable rust simd
<testuser[m]1> It results nin a huge slowdown i think
<testuser[m]1> Read somewhere on a bug tacker
<testuser[m]1> I think the arch one
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<kimerus> Someone used the git-bruh steam and brawp script?
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<claudia> \o/
<testuser[m]1> Hi claudia
<dilyn> o/
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<ang> \o
<acheam> dilyn: omanom um
<acheam> im an idiot
<acheam> i rename the file for testing on my arch machine
<acheam> and forgot to rename it back
<dilyn> It's okay I suffer from temporary blindless and intermittent illiteracy
<acheam> by the end of the day this shalt not be an issue
<acheam> there will be no more arch on this laptop
<dilyn> one of us, one of us...
<dilyn> applied tyty
<dilyn> alright I think I fixed up the patch. I could theoretically make it smaller, but eeeeehhhhh
<testuser[m]1> acheam did it work
<claudia> dilyn: Didnt you update firefox-esr because of the patch? My apologies then, I reminded you because I thought you might have overseen it because none of our tools was recognizing its outdateness.
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<dilyn> i updated it because of your ping and then I was informed that it was using git apply instead of patch -p1 <
<dilyn> so I fixed that
<acheam> testuser[m]1: i've downloaded it, will test it later
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<midfavila> acheam i will never tolerate busybox
<midfavila> even if dBSD is involved
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<kiedtl> rip freenode
<kiedtl> and rip #kisslinux there. it's been more than two years
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<riteo> kiedtl: remember, the community isn't where it is, it's the people that make it
<riteo> #kisslinux never moved anywhere, it's still itself
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<dilyn> KISS is dead, long live KISS
<GalaxyNova> I really don't get what the new owners are trying to achieve
<GalaxyNova> they spent so much money only to then proceed to completely destroy the very thing they bought?
<GalaxyNova> If they really didn't like how freenode was doing things and felt the need to completely rebuilt the platform why not just create a new network instead of destroyign an existing one
<GalaxyNova> makes no sense to me :/
<kiedtl> riteo: yeah, a weird nostalgia for *that particular* channel registration, haha
<noocsharp> well, my pinephone can now make and receive calls
<noocsharp> basically daily driver ready
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<GalaxyNova> noocsharp: can you use SMS on it?
<noocsharp> not yet, that's on the todo list
<kimerus> I think in use a pixel 5 graphene instead pipephone
<jedavies> noocsharp: what distro are you running on it?
<kimerus> I see the reviews and is seems to much slow
<noocsharp> jedavies: my oasis based one
<omanom> noocsharp any hope for MMS too or is that a stretch goal
<noocsharp> omanom: i mean i'd like to, but it seems pretty hard
<omanom> oh for sure, just curious
<noocsharp> if the actual competent modemmanager/ofono people are having a hard time with it, i'm not sure i'll be able to do it
<omanom> #kisslinux has a new default operator on freenode now: http://0x0.st/-LRo.png
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<omanom> they haven't changed the topic at least
<kiedtl> boy am I glad we moved before all of this
<omanom> lol the new server i connected to is "evilcorp.freenode.net"
<kiedtl> that server has been there for a while
<kiedtl> I don't know what the hell rasengan was thinking when he got that host
<omanom> s/when he got that host//
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<dilyn> this bullshit is an injustice
<acheam> free the freenode!
<acheam> quick, everyone post a green square on instagram!
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<acheam> oh no
<acheam> they got 'im
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<kiedtl> I was predicting that freenode would become the sourceforge of IRC but I was wrong :v
<acheam> i'm not even going to bother reading that
<acheam> people should just move on imo
<kiedtl> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<omanom> it comes across as andrew is just dicking around and doesn't actually care what happens. like his little personal irc playground
<kiedtl> I just can't stop looking, and my productivity is plummeting as a result
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<midfavila> oh, huh, you ran into l0de
<midfavila> i didn't realize he hung out on freenode
<claudia02> I have sucessfully build the kiss-llvm toolchain.
<claudia02> One last thing from binutils remains, the 'as'. Does wyverkiss has a substitution for it and Which package provides it?
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<dilyn> it's provided by llvm
<dilyn> it's llvm-as
<midfavila> for anyone who uses my repo, SDF's git certificate appears to have been updated
<midfavila> updates should go through now
<GalaxyNova> windows 11 was leaked
<GalaxyNova> kek
<midfavila> wait what
<midfavila> a friend of mine messaged me that he was going to install it but I thought he meant that memey Linux distro
<GalaxyNova> no its real
<GalaxyNova> and it looks like shit
<midfavila> pix?
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<GalaxyNova> there's also lots of videos covering it on youtube
<GalaxyNova> it's a legitimate leak
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<midfavila> ...ew, what the fuck
<midfavila> this is cancer
<GalaxyNova> hey at least the live tiles are gone
<midfavila> at least win8 let you use a different shell if you wanted..
<midfavila> definitely not going to be using windows
<GalaxyNova> honestly I like the new design
<GalaxyNova> here's a longer video https://youtu.be/VMHgM_hTzlw
<GalaxyNova> it looks more polished and modern
<midfavila> it looks like a piece of shit
<midfavila> the only good thing about windows is that its UI *doesn't* change
<midfavila> you have the taskbar, the startmenu, and the desktop.
<GalaxyNova> well Microsoft has been constantily changing it since windows 8
<midfavila> and every single time it's been a mistake.
<GalaxyNova> Hopefully they don't do forced upgrades like they did with windows 10
<midfavila> the application launcher looks like a fuckin android UI...
<dilyn> we expected no different opinion from mid
<GalaxyNova> lol
<GalaxyNova> probably uses 4 gigabytes of ram just to boot
<dilyn> the last time they dared to modify the start menu the internet shit itself so hard microsoft is still hearing shit for it
<dilyn> gl msft
<midfavila> *seriously*
<dilyn> my only question is will it show me ads for candy crush
<midfavila> win 9x was the best UI they had. most importantly, it was consistent
<midfavila> and of course it will, dilyn
<midfavila> you'll have to watch a five-second ad before you can log in
<dilyn> again, we wouldn't expect any other different answer from you mid
<GalaxyNova> midfavila: ew windows 9x UI was wayy to modern for me
<GalaxyNova> use DOS or nothing
<midfavila> consistent UX is more important than "modern" aesthetics.
<noocsharp> for some reason the settings window is missing the close/minimize buttons... and it had them like 3 months ago
<noocsharp> thanks msft
<midfavila> Modern:tm: and Redesigned:tm:
<dilyn> yeah and it looks super good
<midfavila> If you say so.
<dilyn> looks like they've borrowed features from KDE and dmenu/spotlight
<midfavila> At least they have pages now.
<noocsharp> and if you open the file manager, 2 different documents folders appear right next to each other
<GalaxyNova> reminds me of KDE actually
<dilyn> this is sleek
<claudia02> dilyn, so binutils can just be removed? I do not onderstand the readme clearly when it says ".. use kiss a to switch to the llvm counterparts, except as."
<dilyn> because no 'as' is provided; it's just llvm-as
<dilyn> but yeah you don't need binutils
<dilyn> i mean
<claudia02> gotcha.
<dilyn> make sure you have llvm-as first
<dilyn> lol
<GalaxyNova> isn't readelf used extensively in kiss?
<claudia02> yes its there and happy building (:
<dilyn> you might need gnu-as, though
<dilyn> (which is just binutils as)
<dilyn> which is in the wyverkiss repo
<claudia02> yes this I got already.
<dilyn> you only need it for a few things, namely firefox and nss (if you want intel optimizations)
<dilyn> GalaxyNova: readelf is also provided by llvm
<GalaxyNova> ah nice
<dilyn> yeah. llvm is absolutely massive :v
<claudia02> I try to build webkit now(without binutils(gnu-as)s
<GalaxyNova> from my experience it takes ages to compile
<GalaxyNova> llvm i mean
<dilyn> all you need is 24 cores and you'll build it in less than 20 minutes (:
<claudia02> If I would not have a seperate machine in another room I would definately not play with this.
<GalaxyNova> wht not
<midfavila> i see that MS is still trying to force people to sign up for an account
<midfavila> very cool
<GalaxyNova> yes
<GalaxyNova> i think they deleted the option for an offline account
<GalaxyNova> so now you are forced to use their microsoft account to use windows
* midfavila grimaces
<midfavila> do they at least have minesweeper again
<GalaxyNova> but hey you get mOdERn uI
<noocsharp> tbh minesweeper is all windows is good for
<midfavila> gaymin
<GalaxyNova> they don't even have minesweeper
<noocsharp> and pinball
<GalaxyNova> unless you sign in with an xbox account
<GalaxyNova> and seel your soul to bill gates
<midfavila> billy g
<dilyn> if you aren't connected to the internet during install you can bypass creating an account
<midfavila> that doesn't matter
<dilyn> eyeroll
<dilyn> sure
<dilyn> it *is* shitty
<midfavila> i shouldn't have to create a microsoft account just to use my PC. whether it's connected to the net or not.
<dilyn> but for anyone INTERESTED
<midfavila> anyone interested is just going to use one of those deshittification scripts
<dilyn> smh
<noocsharp> it's also hard to ignore the fact that windows is literal spyware
<GalaxyNova> midfavila: that's not going to stop microsoft if they have some kind of spooky kernel level spyware
<GalaxyNova> which they probably have
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<midfavila> if you're using windows because you want security, you have bigger problems than your lack of technical sense...
<m3g> Leaked WXP SC + a wine fork to make a proper layer
<GalaxyNova> I do quite enjoy their new icon theme
<GalaxyNova> reminds me of breeze theme
<midfavila> i was reading about Multics the other day... apparently it was actually deployed
<midfavila> and in some pretty high-security environments, too
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<acheam> those of you who autolaunch tmux/dvtm in a terminal: how do you deal with the sessions just piling up
<acheam> like, I have 36 ash sessions running according to htop
<riteo> ok so, I tried windows 11
<riteo> It seriously feels like a weird linux distro
<riteo> I'm not joking, have you seen the new default win32 theme? Looks straight out of gtk
<GalaxyNova> lol
<GalaxyNova> download link?
<riteo> I got a magnet cause my stupid ass crashed while downloading from mega and capped
<riteo> mega or torrent?
<GalaxyNova> mega
<GalaxyNova> in case my isp goes crazy
<riteo> can I- can I post it there?
<riteo> I mean here?
<GalaxyNova> idk
<riteo> just to be sure
<GalaxyNova> post it
<claudia02> wont u do this in private?
<GalaxyNova> that would be a great idea
<claudia02> This is a logged chanel after all
<GalaxyNova> if i would know how to private message on irc
<riteo> I mean, I got linked the library genesis here
<riteo> dilyn: can we do this?
<GalaxyNova> i guess it's safer to take it to PMs
<riteo> ok
<riteo> how
<acheam> /msg GalaxyNova
<GalaxyNova> you can use /msg <username> <message>
<claudia02> I mean if u take drugs, thats ok but dont do it in front of the kids.
<GalaxyNova> LOL
* acheam puts his hands over midfavila's eyes
<riteo> it says that I have to log in
<riteo> we'll have to do it in front of everyone I guess
<acheam> /msg nickserv help
<GalaxyNova> don't you have a registered nick?
<riteo> no?
<GalaxyNova> oh
<GalaxyNova> /msg nickserv help
<GalaxyNova> and create an account
<GalaxyNova> it's good to have a registered account anyway
* midfavila flails
<riteo> I think I did it
<midfavila> Unhand me, creature
<riteo> can we do drugs now?
<riteo> would you guys mind if we did them here?
<GalaxyNova> drugs bad
<riteo> I see
<midfavila> people always say "drugs are bad"
<midfavila> but nobody ever says "drugs why bad?"
<riteo> did it
<riteo> goodbye guys, it's been nice talking with you
<riteo> I have no idea whether it was against any ToS
<riteo> but I mean, we talked about the genesis library sooo, maybe I'm fine?
<GalaxyNova> I honestly think we're fine
<GalaxyNova> it's not piracy
<riteo> it's just running confidential development copies of paid software
<GalaxyNova> basically yeah xD
<riteo> acheam: you can unblind mid
<riteo> now
<riteo> now I'm seriously scared for my account, I've even registered it with my email address
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<riteo> my PAID email address
<riteo> time to read libera chat's ToS
<riteo> you know what
<riteo> this never happened
<acheam> lol your fine
<riteo> actually I think you're right
<riteo> what are they gonna say? YOU DOWNLOADED WINDWOS 11!!!!!111
<riteo> THAT'S LILEGAL!!1!!!11
<GalaxyNova> lmao
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<riteo> I really gotta send you some pictures, it's crazy
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<riteo> oh my fucking god
<riteo> I deleted 1(one) shortcut and like 3 cmds popped on my screen
<GalaxyNova> welcome to windows
<acheam> its a beta version of the most complex os ever, even in the release version there are bugs aplenty
<acheam> but tbh idk at all
<GalaxyNova> and from my knoledge of Microsoft I can guarantee that it WONT be getting better in the release
<acheam> s/idk/idc/g
<acheam> proprietary garbagio
<soliwilos> Your computer is likely screaming in binary for what you have done.. :p
<riteo> wew I'm finally unstuck from my qemu trap
<riteo> I swear I saw this thing happen on my teachers' pc too
<riteo> I thought it was some school software doing some weird thing but not
<riteo> s/not/no/
<GalaxyNova> riteo: your teacher was running windows 11 in a qemu virtual machine?
<riteo> no lol
<riteo> on a windows 10 PC IIRC
<riteo> I can't fucking believe it
<riteo> my ALARMS AND CLOCK program automatically updated itself
<riteo> imagine running a end-of-may build and having to update your CLOCK
<riteo> the more I use this build the more I'm losing my mind
<sad_plan> firefox is still failing for me when trying to build with pgo and lto. says profileserver.py returned non-zero exit status 245
<sad_plan> heres the log https://0x0.st/-LRm.txt
<GalaxyNova> sad_plan: did you install pciutils?
<dilyn> that's a separate thing
<GalaxyNova> and did you install video drivers?
<sad_plan> no i havent. and yes I have video drivers installed.
<dilyn> or oh, hm that's interesting
<GalaxyNova> well the build script is complaining about pciutils missing
<GalaxyNova> install the package and see if it works
<dilyn> it looks like it may very well need it for graphics profiling, which is strange
<sad_plan> hm, ill build it and retry for firefox
<riteo> guys would you like to see some pictures of what I mean that it looks like a weird linux distro?
<GalaxyNova> sure
<riteo> would you like them in hi-res?
<sad_plan> go for it. and yeah., highres is great
<riteo> gimme just a sec to snap some other photos and I'll send them to you
<riteo> ok done, lemme upload them
<riteo> ok here they are
<riteo> here's the desktop in 1920x1080: http://0x0.st/-LRD.png
<riteo> this is the file explorer: http://0x0.st/-LRk.png
<riteo> this is what I meant by the GTKy change in the default win32 theme: http://0x0.st/-LRd.png
<sad_plan> lol
<riteo> these are the settings in full-screen (ignore the name, it's a funny thing a friend of mine told me to set): http://0x0.st/-LRn.png
<riteo> settings as a floating window: http://0x0.st/-LR5.png
<sad_plan> looks alot like if w10 and macOS had a baby or something
<riteo> and the worse of them all, the start menu: http://0x0.st/-LRR.png
<riteo> just look at it
<riteo> it looks out straight of a smartphone
<GalaxyNova> told you it looks like KDE Plasma
<GalaxyNova> like something you would see on r/unixporn
<riteo> absolutely
<riteo> looks like a weird linux distro
<rio6> what's those screenshots
<riteo> what do you mean
<riteo> I didn't upload the wrong file, did I?
<rio6> is that windows?
<riteo> kind of
<riteo> they recently leaked a windows 11 build
<rio6> no I'm just curious what that os is
<rio6> windws 11 what?
<riteo> yes
<riteo> I wish I were joking
<riteo> windows 10 isn't the definitive windows anymore
<riteo> now it's all about windows 11, and it looks like shit
<rio6> I think I saw that on unixporn discord but thought it was just a bad windows rice
<riteo> lmao
<riteo> tell me if the new default win32 theme doesn't look like something out of gtk/qt
<rio6> the icons reminds me of the phones from 2010 that ran their own OS
<riteo> just look at those active taskbar items
<riteo> it seriously looks like it came out of a Linux DE
<riteo> wait a sec, gotta switch device
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