<remiliascarlet>
/watch?v=xPF2NSFvNCc I support Russia in making a hard fork of the Linux kernel at this point.
<remiliascarlet>
The Linux Foundation is completely distroying the Linux Kernel, and they're seemingly going as far as to cancel long term contributors just for protesting the removal of Russians.
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<SiFuh__>
remiliascarlet: <tim> And if it's no troll: gosh you sure make it seem like a lovely community. <-- Says the guy who insulted a newbie
<SiFuh__>
<tim> And since we are dropping opinions in here today: I don't care for the talk. I contribute on a regular basis to keep CRUX alive :) <-- Always resorts to bragging about himself being so important to CRUX.
<SiFuh__>
zorz: uwumeowmeownyaa is zorzing the #crux channel.
<zorz>
2hahahahaha
<SiFuh__>
You reading?
<zorz>
SiFuh__: yes i saw it sometime ago
<SiFuh__>
I'm only replying because Tim was complaining about remiliascarlet pushing a troll. HAHAH
<zorz>
he is next level man.....
<zorz>
improved model
<zorz>
hahahhahaa
<SiFuh__>
I am more and more convinced he is a bot.
<zorz>
SiFuh__: you sound valid
<zorz>
hahaha
<SiFuh__>
Yeah it is weird and notice the lack of spelling errors and punctuation and grammer?
<zorz>
dont know man... i think he is a russian/non speaking english and translating everythin
<zorz>
brb
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<zorz>
SiFuh_: thx god he is not joinning crux-social
<SiFuh>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
<SiFuh>
[21 34 04] [SiFuh> uwumeowmeownyaa: zorz says you should join #crux-social.
<zorz>
hahahahahahahahahaha
<zorz>
SiFuh_: you suck
<SiFuh>
He will get hammered here
<zorz>
remiliascarlet's 2nd ban
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<SiFuh>
HAHA
<zorz>
remiliascarlet: love where are you?
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: You a Russian or a Russian bot?
<ukky>
I'd say his/her English is perfect.
<SiFuh>
Don't worry. Nothing anti-Russia here.
<SiFuh>
ukky: It is
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
"The code is cheap. Show me your passport" (C) Linus Torvalds
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: Some of us don't like what Linus did
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
He had to do this, though. The way he did it was awkward, but that is another story.
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: I would never have done that.
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: By the way, are you using Yandex translate?
<SiFuh>
I bet everyone is in suspense waiting for the answer
<SiFuh>
HAHAHA
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
The foundation behind the Linux kernel development is registered in the USA, as far as I know, so it must comply with US laws. Linus Torvalds simply annouced it the way he usually communicates with people.
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
Also I hate Yandex so much it's unreal.
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: I'd have moved my software and myself from the US if it was the case.
<ukky>
'it's unreal' is another way to say 'btw'
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
No, my hatred to Yandex is unfathomable.
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
Literally.
<SiFuh>
Targetting a nation of people for a political agenda ignoring the contributions they have done, is just a coward act.
<ukky>
Is it almost like me hating systemd?
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
I hate SystemD almost as much as Yandex.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Someone made a comment on the video remiliascarlet sent saying they prefer the old argument about hating systemd than what is happening with the Linux kernel right now.
<ukky>
Then I understand the feeling very well
* SiFuh
likes Yandex
<zorz>
SiFuh_: has rss feeds of rt.com & sputnik
<SiFuh>
I use it for image text translations
<SiFuh>
zorz: I do
<zorz>
i just inform uwumeowmeownyaa
<SiFuh>
zorz: I was fucking mad as hell when firefox took the liberty of banning the RT.com extension.
<zorz>
uwumeowmeownyaa: from where your nickname derives? what expresses?
<SiFuh>
Who the fuck do they think they are? It's my computer. If I want to see it then I should. Fuck mozilla
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
SiFuh: Linux kernel is too big to move the underlying infrastructure from the US. Also it is not easy to find a country that would not comply to US sanction laws while allowing for international development and communication.
<zorz>
SiFuh: firefox devs are taking initiatives to make firefox worst
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: remiliascarlet made a comment that I thought was awesome. Russia forks the Linux kernel.
<zorz>
SiFuh: you see uwumeowmeownyaa is potential openbsd user
<SiFuh>
zorz: He hate's BSD
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
zorz: My mood when I use "CRUX".
<zorz>
ukky: you dont miss much.... actually you miss headaches and aspirines
<zorz>
heh
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
Then I'll wait for GNU Hurd to be usable (GNU Guix (the operating system) community is working on it furiously).
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: GNU Hurd is never going to happen either
<zorz>
uwumeowmeownyaa: make your own fork of gnu crux,,, you have the package manager... use libre kernel and so on
<zorz>
you can even use hurd kernel
<zorz>
anything
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
GNU Guix is going to switch to GNU Hurd at some point.
<SiFuh>
uwumeowmeownyaa: We made a fork of CRUX for CRUX MUSL.
<ukky>
My next OS will be either NetBSD, or something new, based on pkgsrc and Linux kernel
<SiFuh>
ukky: void linux ;-)
<zorz>
ukky i like netbsd speed performance. for me its enough
<zorz>
i use void
<ukky>
SiFuh: voidlinux is not good enough for me
<SiFuh>
ukky: Nice distro but 2 years ago, I snapped and called them a gang of cunts. Hahaha
<zorz>
hahahahahahaa
<zorz>
SiFuh: counting how many beers?
<SiFuh>
Since 1993?
<SiFuh>
zorz: I went to dinner next door with the Tamil/Indian family. They were giving me whiskey.
<zorz>
i got lazy of compiling things,,, and void is ok for me right now. i dont know in the future.
<SiFuh>
I gave them a bottle of my home brew moonshine. Told them to not throw the bottle. I can top up everytime they need.
<zorz>
indians are the first consumers of scotch
<ukky>
Using non-source-based distro is boring
<SiFuh>
I was drinking Scottish Scotch.
<zorz>
funny when they are drunk and speak english, mother chaud
<SiFuh>
ukky: And more difficult to modify.
<SiFuh>
I had to download the entire source tree, to rebuild xdm to support the modern fonts in void.
<ukky>
SiFuh: agree
<zorz>
ukky: i like in void that they separate the build enviroment from the root system. and in root you get no devel headers files
<SiFuh>
ukky: I never understood why Xorg can support modern fonts but xdm did not.
<zorz>
never used xdm
<SiFuh>
zorz: That is why you need the entire source tree to build one package in void.
<zorz>
okay... i can live with that
<SiFuh>
brb checking the rt and sputnik rss feed
<ukky>
zorz: Building must be done separate from root FS and should not rely on runtime, like NetBSD does
<zorz>
ukky: exctly
<ukky>
For me, Gentoo is more advanced compared to Void Linux, but Gentoo's package manager sucks, as it is written in Python
<zorz>
ukky: Gentoo requires RTFM, which I am infamous of not doing :)
<zorz>
heh
<ukky>
And Gentoo moves toward systemd, as they grab more and more components from systemd sources
<zorz>
ukky: I got the best man-db man=SiFuh
<SiFuh>
I use most
<zorz>
yes, they dont pay effort for their own udev
<ukky>
zorz: but you have to RTFM
<SiFuh>
export PAGER="most"
<zorz>
ukky: last option is RTFM
<ukky>
Gentoo dropped eudev and switched to full udev from systemd a while ago
<SiFuh>
zorz: Do you think beerman is seething because I mentioned that I am the longest running CRUX user from the days of per?
<zorz>
expor PAGER="less" export LESS='-R '
<zorz>
SiFuh: most probably no money to enter a bordelle
<ukky>
SiFuh: I have probably least Linux experience in this room, including Crux experience
<zorz>
ukky: never say that... I am the one
<ukky>
zorz: I switched to Crux in April of 2023
<zorz>
i was in november 2022
<SiFuh>
ukky: Apart from beerman abusing a newbie which mad me mad as hell. There is one more thing that beerman pissed me off about. Romster! Romster has been around for awhile and he maintained a lot of ports. But when he got sick. Beerman was pissed off that his ports were not being updated. I thought they were friends.
<ukky>
At work, main development system was switched to Crux in July of 2024 (it was more complex to switch).
<SiFuh>
Then when it was clear Romster isn't coming back. Beerman dumped a lot of his ports and now runs around saying that CRUX basically exists because of him. He calls himself a dev. But he is not. He is a port maintainer.
<SiFuh>
ukky: My main systems were switched to CRUX in 2003.
<SiFuh>
Then OpenBSD for the servers.
<zorz>
romster z3bra
<zorz>
beerman just writes Pkgfiles
<SiFuh>
Romster has done more for CRUX than anyone has ever done
<zorz>
farkuhar: aswell handbook
<SiFuh>
zorz: farkuhar is quite young. Almost could say a newbie. But he has produced a lot
<SiFuh>
But beerman never credits anyone but himself.
<ukky>
SiFuh: I know you prefer OpenBSD
<zorz>
SiFuh: what i told you, myself i have a crux overlay and i stop using it. i went to void.
<zorz>
i even wrote pip2crux... for crux and i stop using it
<SiFuh>
zorz: When farkuhar was doing the handbook, he credited me. I told him to remove it. I don't need the credit. It is how I am
<zorz>
i care not about rust or go Pkgfiles, but i care about /etc/group
<zorz>
i care about btrfs
<zorz>
and so on
<zorz>
:P
<SiFuh>
When I was doing the CRUX MUSL, more than 80% was done by me. 30% done by emmett1. But you read everything I say. I always credit emmett1 for it even though he did a lot of unconventional things and not the CRUX way. I had to step in and manipulate it. But as I said. I credit him for it.
<SiFuh>
Why can't beerman credit others?
<SiFuh>
His last comment to remiliascarlet pissed me off. "He" is keeping CRUX alive. Fuck... CRUX has been alive before he even knew what a computer was.
<zorz>
myself i like what the Japanese lady is doing to him... troll troll troll
<zorz>
hahahhaa
<SiFuh>
If beerman quit today. CRUX will still exist.
<zorz>
Crux will be better
<zorz>
hahahaa
<SiFuh>
No #crux would be better
<SiFuh>
CRUX will be still CRUX
<SiFuh>
Even today, I credited beerman for helping me and I can't stand that guy.
<SiFuh>
Credit is due where it is due. Simple. Hate or not, dislike or not, like or not.
<SiFuh>
Beerman is just me, me, me, me and God's gift to CRUX.
<ukky>
There is no designer of Crux. Maintaining Pkgfiles is not the same.
<SiFuh>
He'd make a port and I'd complain it was broken. Then he'd abuse me for like 10 minutes before realising it wasn't me it was him. Then fix it then never said a word about it.
<zorz>
ukky: I agree
<SiFuh>
ukky: CRUX has. It's people like me. That provide patches to fix broken init systems and other users that say "This is wrong" then someone like jue or jaeger would look into it and re-design CRUX to patch up the errors.
<SiFuh>
Basically it is us that design it. Then the REAL developers listen and manipulate it for us.
<ukky>
SiFuh: Patching is not designing.
<SiFuh>
It was designed by Per and he handed the keys to jaeger
<uwumeowmeownyaa>
The Gentoo has fallen :-(
<SiFuh>
ukky: One thing I love about CRUX is that they keep it mostly the way Per wanted it.
<SiFuh>
I was an am still pissed off that dumb_runtime_dir, sudo and PAM are in core. Per would never have allowed that.
<ukky>
Well, Crux design has not beed completed. It could have been good 20 years ago, but now it lacks features
<SiFuh>
The introduction of PAM was something huge and jaeger took a vote from the port maintainers and not from the users.
<ukky>
Forcing PAM into design was a bad call
<SiFuh>
Not hard to write a port to detect if the user has it installed
<SiFuh>
Yeah, jaeger's call. And I love jaeger a lot. But I disagree with it.
<SiFuh>
But the maintainers were lazy and the excuse was "More work" and use users do jack shit to help CRUX.
<SiFuh>
use/us
<SiFuh>
ukky: zorz: The thing is beerman looks down on us and that is something I have seen a lot in life and they are not nice people.
<SiFuh>
chinarulezzz was awesome. He did a lot and very fast and clean. But he and beerman had a huge argument and he left. He said "It's not for me"
<zorz>
even opendoas in crux is compiled with pam support.
<SiFuh>
I'd say 9 great port maintainers left maybe more because beerman abused them.
<SiFuh>
zorz: Mine isn't
<zorz>
mine too
<zorz>
:P
<SiFuh>
And opendoas should not be in core. So why is sudo in core?
<zorz>
su -
<zorz>
sukoi
<SiFuh>
Opendoas is superior to sudo. But the retarded version is in CRUX core?
<SiFuh>
It makes no sense.
<SiFuh>
And dumb_runtime_dir is in core? That is for an graphical based system.
<zorz>
and why vim is with Pkgfile helper by default?
<zorz>
crux is bullshit
<SiFuh>
There is so much junk in core that doesn't need to be there now.
<SiFuh>
zorz: is bullshit.
<zorz>
farkuhar: will come back winning
<zorz>
hahahaha
<zorz>
no crux is good
<SiFuh>
zorz: I would only trust farkuhar these days with core power.
<zorz>
I agree
<zorz>
crux is good, but not to rely on
<zorz>
so... devs need to do something
<SiFuh>
At least he listens to the users and knows what should or should not be in core
<SiFuh>
zorz: The problem is the dev team are now lazy. Beerman is their laborer.
<SiFuh>
They gave beerman too much power with his opinions. They folded to him because they need him to maintain the ports.
<SiFuh>
If they get rid of him. Then they will need to do port maintainence and they don't want that.
<zorz>
you do not need all this ports in a source based distro
<zorz>
make the distro
<zorz>
not the ports.
<SiFuh>
I think CRUX should have core, opt and Xorg
<SiFuh>
Nothing else
<SiFuh>
everything else should be user contrib.
<zorz>
core opt xorg wayland
<zorz>
separate wayland with xorg
<ukky>
zorz: you are talking about binary distro (which does not need ports). Source-based distro needs ports
<zorz>
ukky: i am talking about.... you do not need all this ports that crux is maintening.
<ukky>
zorz: some people need more ports, some need less (I'm zorzing here)
<zorz>
lets start with the sgx group in /etc/group
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
then we move into ports
<ukky>
zorz: why would I add sgx on my system if I do not need it?
<zorz>
udev needs it, or fix udev
<zorz>
why to hit on everyboot sgx is missing
<ukky>
I do not use udev, hence, no sgx on my systems
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
you see
<SiFuh>
ukky: There are many things in the group file you don't need
<SiFuh>
Adding sgx is a nothing thing
<SiFuh>
But I get your point.
<ukky>
SiFuh: So, group file must be cleaned up.
<SiFuh>
But adding a dumb_runtime_dir file to core for an X based system is just insanity.
<zorz>
a new user installing crux, he does not know... he boots... and he sees sgx is missing
<SiFuh>
ukky: I'd like that to be honest
<ukky>
SiFuh: I agree on dumb_runtime_dir. Again, very bad decision
<ukky>
zorz: A new user should not try Crux
<SiFuh>
ukky: I disagree
<SiFuh>
ukky: A new user using CRUX will learn more about linux than any other distro they install.
<SiFuh>
It's better than gentoo for example.
<zorz>
libnetfilter_conntrack is in contrib.... ooo man
<SiFuh>
ukky: CRUX is so bare metal essence that a user can start to pick up and understand some of the most common simple things that would appear difficult.
<SiFuh>
As for the kernel configuration. I don't agree that a beginner should attempt. Hence me providing the modular amd64/x86 kernel to make life easier. But for the system itself it is the perfect learning environment
<SiFuh>
ukky: When I was teaching at University. I found the students learned faster, hands on, fscking around with CRUX than SuSE Linux.
<ukky>
A new user, eager to learn Linux OS at the core, definitely have to use Crux
<SiFuh>
I actually forced an entire class onto CRUX as opposed to SuSE which I was teaching and all those students today run big computer companies in Thailand now.
<SiFuh>
There is RTFM and SiFuh ;-)
<SiFuh>
As zorz would say
<ukky>
for zorg, RTFM and SiFuh are synonyms
<SiFuh>
ukky: One of my most hated things of many, about systemd is the lack of understandable error logs.
<SiFuh>
ukky: Should make a T-Shirt for him. Ask SiFuh or RTFM.
<ukky>
RTFMOASF
<SiFuh>
I am one of the rare generations of people who were brought up on Unix, then Linux before Windows.
<SiFuh>
Everyone else I know were brought up on Windows then shifted to Linux
<ukky>
I have started in IBM 360/390 era
<SiFuh>
My first was PC DOS and Dr Dos
<ukky>
punch cards for me
<SiFuh>
Then straight to Unix. BSD actually. Before the OpenBSD/NetBSD/FreeBSD
<SiFuh>
Even until this very day. Still my favorite machine.
<ukky>
For me, PDP-11
<SiFuh>
DEC Alpha
<SiFuh>
I don't think I ever say one
<SiFuh>
We had Ultra Sparcs and Alpha that no one used. So I poached them.
<SiFuh>
say/saw*
<SiFuh>
And two huge VAX II's
<ukky>
Sparcs are nice.
<ukky>
I want Sparc, but it is expensive
<ukky>
Arm server is probably cheaper, HP R300 about 6K USD
<ukky>
s/R300/RL300
<SiFuh>
I want my NFS server to be SPARC
<SiFuh>
ukky: Equilibruim
<SiFuh>
Excellent movie
<ukky>
Is Sparc affordable? The last I've checked was like $30K (not sure what I've seen for that price)
<SiFuh>
ukky: remiliascarlet found a Fujitsu version at a good price
<SiFuh>
ukky: My plan is to go to Thailand buy from the university I once worked for. Have to pull some strings. Government property.
<ukky>
What form factor Fitjitsu is? Server, desktop, SOC, SBC, laptop?
<ukky>
Yeah, my company's IT department still have Sparcs. Probably a lot of universities still have Sparcs.
<SiFuh>
ukky: I don't know. I didn't even know there was a Fujitsu version of Sparc until remiliascarlet showed me.
<SiFuh>
Then I later discovered that OpenBSD has a source for it.
<SiFuh>
So I looked deeper and discovered that they are quite common across Asia.
<SiFuh>
I wouldn't be surprised if mine in Thailand was Fujitsu
<SiFuh>
ukky: Tell you a story though. I walked into my office with Chukrapong. Smoke everywhere. We saw it coming from MY Sparc64 server. I quickly pulled the plug and opened the box. There is a plastic shield over the CPU. Like made of formaldhyde or something. It had caught fire and was burning. I removed it. No fires since. Never understood why it was there to begin with.
<SiFuh>
So I removed them from all the Sparc servers that day.
<SiFuh>
It was running OpenBSD 3.X maybe 4.x. I will need to check
<SiFuh>
OpenBSD 3.3
<ukky>
They probably wanted to increase air flow through CPU cooler with that shield
<SiFuh>
Maybe, but it was an airconditioned room anyway. So it was weird.
<SiFuh>
I think it was 1CM above the CPU. (I am guessing)
<SiFuh>
That machine ran for many years after until the staff shut it down when I resigned.
<SiFuh>
I wouldn't be suprised if it is still there with OpenBSD 3.3 on it.
<ukky>
Still, the type of plastic was not properly selected by engineers
<SiFuh>
I am an engineer and I have designed many things, I'd never put plastic above any hot surface. The case is metal.
<SiFuh>
You'd think, they would be smart enough
<SiFuh>
Best hardware on the planet
<ukky>
You need experience to know that
<SiFuh>
ukky: Do you? Plastic and heat don't match.
<SiFuh>
Apart from that small hiccup. The Sparc64's are awesome machines
<ukky>
s/You need experience to know that/You need experience to know that heat and plastic are enemies/
<SiFuh>
ukky: I can't remember if they even had heat sinks. Heh
<ukky>
It is nice just to look at Sparc motherboards, so well made
<SiFuh>
ukky: Yep, and I wish Sparc and Alpha still existed
<ukky>
That beauty costs a lot, compared to cheap crap design.
<SiFuh>
Yep
<SiFuh>
x86 is garbage
<SiFuh>
zorz: Why did you call her 'love'?
<SiFuh>
You trying to replace lavaball now?
<zorz>
hahahha
<zorz>
imposible lavaball is unique
<SiFuh>
Neighbours says I can't shoot the cats with the Slingshot. I said "No, I won't use ball bearings or stones. I will use red kidney beans" They said "Oh... okay, that is fine."
<SiFuh>
So I have a pile of beans ready for tomorrow for when the cats come.
<SiFuh>
Beans are cool. They are like being hit by fat drunk mosquitoes. ;-)
<SiFuh>
zorz: Fscking Whiskey makes me reminisce the past. So sad...
<SiFuh>
zorz: I called my friend and he said when I go to Japan he can take care of Aunt Sally. He says "I can take care of Aunt Sally when you are in Japan. Just don't blame me when she gives birth to big tall hairy dogs"
<SiFuh>
He has some ugly dogs that look like Scottish Terriers but they are not. I don't know what they are.
<SiFuh>
I was laughing at his reply and I said "Your dogs are so short. They'd be fucking the air when trying to mate with Aunt Sally"
<SiFuh>
Actually I am hoping she has her business this month so in January she should be safe.
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<SiFuh>
Can't sleep
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh cited "lack of spelling errors" as a reason for thinking uwumeowmeownyaa is a bot (13:29). ukky echoes this sentiment at 13:36, and then five minutes later uwumeowmeownyaa misspells "announced" when describing how Linus Torvalds usually communicates with people. It's hard to believe the misspelling was not on purpose.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I think he is a bot.
<SiFuh>
I have asked him multiple times and he has never replied
<farkuhar>
Out of the blue I got an email from a long-estranged cousin, whose father was on death's door (and has since passed away). The language in the email was so unnatural, I had suspicions he was asking ChatGPT to write it for him. When my mom returned from the funeral, she in fact confirmed that he was regularly consulting ChatGPT for everyday tasks.
<SiFuh>
Hmm
<SiFuh>
You should read my father's emails. It's worse than zorz's English
<SiFuh>
I actually blocked my father on MSM because his English was unintelligble
<SiFuh>
20 years later his emails are still incomprehensible
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Brother is talking to me about meidcal shit. I said "Why the leg and not the back behind the kidney?" and he replies "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" hahaha flat earthers
<SiFuh>
medical*
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: your brother is a flat earther?
<SiFuh>
Yeah, he read the bible and now thinks the earth is flat with 4 corners and stands on pillars.
<SiFuh>
It's like he doesn't understand discriptions for people who can't describe it in modern terms
<SiFuh>
descriptions
<SiFuh>
Not mention that if he read the Hebrew word it would mean round/sphere but he denounces that. And also not to mention Job describes the Earth but he ignores that too.
<farkuhar>
How would your brother explain the photos of Earth taken from orbiting spacecraft, if they don't agree with his mental image?
<SiFuh>
The worst part is he reads the King James version which is political/monarchical.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Simple. It's fake
<SiFuh>
I even can point to the Space Station and he refutes it. Actually refuses to look at it as it goes over our head.
<SiFuh>
Says it is impossible to from from Australia to South Africa direct. Even though many flights from Melbourne go there. Says it is all fake.
<SiFuh>
ti fly from*
<SiFuh>
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<farkuhar>
SiFuh: you have a strange family. A father who can't write coherent English, and a brother who thinks the Earth is flat.
<SiFuh>
And a father who can't ride a bicycle
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I had sent you a PM the other day about him.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Whats worse is he is convining my mother to believe it is flat
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: if I'm reading your PM correctly, he has poor reactions on the bike, panicking and then moving unpredictably.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I lived in Tasmania and Kyrgystan. I seen the positions of the sun. When I tell him, he says I am lying.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Yes and now in hospital with 6 broken ribs. A partially collapsed lung and a bleeding spleen.
<SiFuh>
If the world was round, he'd have rolled over it. But it is flat so he is flat now too.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I don't agree with the laws of gravity. I think it is bullshit. But the Earth flat? My brother beleives all stars and planets are man made lights projected at a dome. WTF? So cave drawings and great ancient architecture is fake that followed the positions of the stars and sun?
<SiFuh>
I told him once. There is 24 hours of sunlight in Antarctica. His reply was "You have never been there!" which is basically similar to the answer I'd give. You can't prove it!
<farkuhar>
"man made lights projected at a dome." <- Ask him why we don't just turn them off sometimes, when we need the energy for other more important purposes.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: He was quite intelligent until he read the bible then he became a moron.
<SiFuh>
And no remiliascarlet I am not denouncing the bible.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Can you imagine how big the conspiracy would be to have every person who knows geometry, pilots, captains of ships and governments to hife this?
<SiFuh>
hide*
<SiFuh>
If the earth was flat then how the fuck does the sun move so fast in the south and so slow in the north? Does that mean when you go to Australia you become larger?
<SiFuh>
He says the sun is closer to the Earth in the south. That doesn't make sense. Actually the sun is closer near the equator. I noticed it when I first moved to Thailand. Thought it was 15:00 when my friend took me to breakfast. Realised it was only 07:00
<farkuhar>
Don't worry about remiliascarlet, she's smart enough to avoid the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. She won't infer any deeper meaning from what happened after your brother read the bible.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: But she does. She twisted everything I said two days ago.
<SiFuh>
Added shit that I didn't even say, directing it to a meaning I didn't even mean.
<farkuhar>
Are you sure it wasn't simply intended to tease you?
<SiFuh>
I am sure it wasn't
<SiFuh>
You read it right?
<farkuhar>
I'll have to revisit the logs. I don't recall the exact incident.
<SiFuh>
I was informing her that she has no right to comment on anything religious if she hasn't read a single religious text.
<SiFuh>
I told her that a majority of people on the planet have some sort of religion.
<SiFuh>
And you can't understand them if you don't understand where they are coming form.
<SiFuh>
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<SiFuh>
Then she twisted it into some right wing anti-religious thing.
<SiFuh>
It's like that comedian said about aethisim
<SiFuh>
You can't be an aethiest unless you read the religious texts and came to a conclusion. You can't just skip it and say you are an athiest. Because if you do, you are a moron.
<farkuhar>
Heh, even if you do read them, you can still turn into a moron. Your brother sounds like a perfect example of that.
<SiFuh>
I don't like Islam. I read the Quran. I like dog meat. I ate it.
<SiFuh>
Actually the Quran was the most horrible thing I ever read
<SiFuh>
And I live in a Muslim country and have many Muslim friends. So I can talk about it sometimes with them. My opinion matters. If I never read it then I am just a moron to talk to them
<SiFuh>
If you have never read a single religous text then you have no authority to have an opinion about it.
<SiFuh>
It's like zorzing a driver teaching you how to drive.
<SiFuh>
Next year, I plan to go for a truck licence. Can you imagine me schooling the truck driver teaching me?
<SiFuh>
It's arrogant as fsck
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<SiFuh>
farkuhar: In eigth grade there were two students from two different demonitations of Christianity arguing. I was listening and kind of laughing because they both got it wrong. But I never interjected because they both read the bible and they had a reason to dispute.
<SiFuh>
I grew up reading the bible. It was a daily thing. 5 pages per day. Every day. They read it once or twice and listen to a priest talk shit about it and think they know.
<zorz>
I grew up reading Larry Flin
<zorz>
:P
<SiFuh>
12 year old brain with tight jeans is talking
<zorz>
Larry was the best, freedom of speech
<zorz>
Larry should write now about elections
<zorz>
heh
<SiFuh>
ZThen read Isaac Newtons work.
<SiFuh>
He was anti church and in his papers was a lot of religous stuff
<zorz>
I like to read about plastic boobs
<SiFuh>
Silicone parts are made for toys -- Sir Mix A Lot
<zorz>
religion is different than church
<SiFuh>
zorz: Of course
<zorz>
that you do no agree with church does not mean that you are not religious
<SiFuh>
You and God.
<SiFuh>
You and a religous institute ..... No fucking way.
<zorz>
Silicone is the God!
<zorz>
:P
<zorz>
God bless Silicone!
<SiFuh>
You talking about Horta?
<SiFuh>
Horta was the silicone life form in Star Trek.
<zorz>
dont remember startrek, i do remember sport billy, with vanda!
<zorz>
vanda was the bitch!
<SiFuh>
I hate Star Trek
<SiFuh>
But I am cursed with an awesome memory
<SiFuh>
Silicon*
<SiFuh>
When I lived in Shanghai. I use to take the train 1 hour to get home. I use to pull my beanie over my eyes and sleep. My friend asked me why. I said. I hear, I see everything. Bad enough to listen to their shit without having to dream about it when I try to sleep
<SiFuh>
I was asked today if I speak Chinese. I said "I did but I don't want to" They asked why and I said "You learn a language to understand others right?" He said "Yes" and I said "Well I don't want to understand them" He laughed.
<SiFuh>
I like not knowing what they say even though I know what they say. I just prefer to not to... They all talk shit 24/7.
<SiFuh>
Today they were laughing at me (Chinese) when I was calling the neighbours in Tamil language.
<SiFuh>
How is that funny?
<SiFuh>
My wife "I've never heard you speak Tamil before" Me "So?"
<SiFuh>
I speak many languages but I prefer to not, because I hate the gossip.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Was asked when I will learn Malay. I said "Don't want. It is efficient but you can't get your exact meaning across"
<SiFuh>
Actually I can, I just won't.
<SiFuh>
The most advanced Asian language is Vietnamese. This one I want to learn and learning for more than 10 years