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<beach>
As I recall, it was mfiano who was suggesting more collaboration in the form of community projects (not sure that was the term used). I have a suggestion for such a project, namely a Common Lisp language reference in the form of a website. I also seem to remember that gilberth agreed to take some raw text and turn it into nicely presented material with links and such.
<beach>
A lot of the material can be taken from the dpANS, but lots more would need to be added in order to turn that material into a language reference.
<beach>
If there were some infrastructure where contributions could be added, I could contribute, but I am no good with setting up such an infrastructure.
<beach>
I think such a project is a good candidate, because it could be done incrementally, and it doesn't have to be finished in order to be useful.
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<mfiano>
I just got back from a couple weeks of brainstorming the design of an unrelated project, but, I did some work here in the past, and it might be worth seeing how much of it is stale, how much of it is usable, and how much work would be needed to continue it into a minimal viable form. I'll think about this tomorrow and take some notes on what is left that needs to be done, and all that good
<mfiano>
stuff.
<beach>
Are you saying you did some work on a language reference already?
<beach>
If so, that's great news!
<mfiano>
Yes, but moreso on the infrastructure part of it.
<mfiano>
Not the content.
<beach>
Sure. Very good news though.
<mfiano>
I picked it up a few times in the last couple years. I think phoe is the only one I showed at one point in time. Sadly, I haven't touched it in over a year, so I'll have to see if it is even in a satisfactory form (this was during a time when I really don't like the way I was programming).
<mfiano>
So it needs investigating (tomorrow)
<beach>
Sure. There is no rush of course. This thing has been needed for decades.
<mfiano>
:)
<mfiano>
I know, and it is a lot of work, and was always on my back burner for when I needed a menial task to get my mind off of the regular flow of priority code. Now that there is an interest, maybe I'll bump it up a notch or two :)
<beach>
I would think that, for people who know how to do it, the infrastructure would not be too much work, but I may be wrong of course.
<mfiano>
I would make a comment about my experience with Common Lisp 'web' and related software, but I won't. Instead, I'll admit right now that I contributed to the problem by writing a lot of custom code, because I know how I would want it to be done, especially from a security perspective.
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<beach>
There is also elsconf@european-lisp-symposium.org, and I don't know which one is right.
<beach>
Shinmera probably knows.
<Shinmera>
I don't. I've never actually corresponded about paper feedback.
<beach>
Hmm, OK.
<hayley>
It's not about paper feedback; I'm looking for an official answer as to how remote presentations will work.
<beach>
Last year, I think there was a mixture between recorded presentations and live ones.
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<Shinmera>
hayley: you submit a video, then hang out in chat for QA. There may also be a live jitsi call, but with phoe being incapacitated, I don't know what's gonna happen.
<beach>
What happened to phoe?
<Shinmera>
"there are chances that I will be able to do anything regarding serving as an ELS online chair/stream guardian this year due to a collision with another event - I'll be out of town and away from my comfortable multimonitor setup. So, there are chances that I will at most I'll be an online visitor."
<Shinmera>
I haven't heard about a replacement yet.
<beach>
Oh, I see.
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<hayley>
I came up with another question which I'm not sure about putting on the mailing list. Is there some other way to contact the ELS admin?
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<jackdaniel>
email perhaps? Didier Verna is the person in charge, then Shinmera takes care of the website if I understand correctly
<Shinmera>
I don't even really do that these days
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<hayley>
jackdaniel: Should I write to the ldre.epita.fr address then?
<jackdaniel>
hayley: check query
* hayley
checked
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<mariari>
is there a good way of having `(compile-file "foo" :trace-file t)' but for single functions or expressions, or in a way that I get back the IR1 in the REPL?
<Shinmera>
make a wrapper function that creates a temp file?
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<mariari>
I'm more interested in getting the values, rather than dealing with temp files, I'm getting close as I'm tracing the output of SB-C::IR1-TOPLEVEL
<mariari>
was hoping this would all be as easy as factor is with letting you get the CFG and graph it. Makes it nice to study for how the compoenents work
<Shinmera>
In any case you're gonna want to ask in #sbcl, not here
<_death>
although I tried running one of my clim programs the other day and it failed, possibly something to do with tab layout in recent mcclim.. since this also uses tab layouts, not sure it'll work
<mariari>
Seems I get circularity issues with it
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<bjorkintosh>
will mcclim have a drag and drop canvas for development or does it already exist?
<_death>
it has drag and drog support.. do you mean an interface builder thing?
<_death>
*drop
<mariari>
_death: this should still be good though as it at least gets me some commands easier I think
<beach>
bjorkintosh: You may want to ask in #clim.
<mariari>
which is not a big deal, as I can just input values in the REPL, since it uses closeua
<scymtym>
the fix should be simple
<scymtym>
using the application has a few benefits such as easily changing optimization settings
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<mariari>
That is true, which is nice to see, the main benefit I get from this is the initial visualization, and I can likely go through the source code to see how it gets IR2 and IR1, so I can send it through SBCL internal functions to see how the compiler ticks hands on. Much like I can with Factor
<mariari>
Though I really should fix it up and submit a patch
<mariari>
I got it working sy
<mariari>
Well except for the input buffer, which is invisible, but I think I had this issue in the past as well
<scymtym>
huh, i have unpushed code which displays the source s-expression when the pointer hovers over an ir node
<mariari>
that's cool scymtym !
<scymtym>
thanks
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<mariari>
yeah it's very odd I can't seem to make the text appear in the pane
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<mariari>
I can get it to flicker but then it goes away
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<scymtym>
you mean the editor pane under "Lambda Expression"?
<mariari>
yes
<scymtym>
works here. let me try it with vanilla McCLIM. this may take a little while
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<ldb>
good moring
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<beach>
Hello ldb.
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<jasom>
IIRC someone wrote a parser for lisp source-code (maybe for climacs?) that would do things like preserving comments, but I can't seem to find it right now. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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<jackdaniel>
minion: tell jasom about eclector
<minion>
jasom: eclector: A portable, customizable implementation of the Common Lisp reader
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<scymtym>
jasom: (first) climacs contained parsing infrastructure like that which is now part of McCLIM (although it is being removed now, i think). second climacs uses
<scymtym>
Eclector like jackdaniel said
<jasom>
thanks
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<ixelp>
GitHub - scymtym/s-expression-syntax: UNFINISHED, FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY, YOU CANNOT USE THIS YET
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<jasom>
scymtym: will s-expression-syntax handle e.g. #1= stuff? eclector seems to parse "(#1=#:a #1#)" and "(#:a #:a)" in a way that is only really distinguishable if you manually walk the results for duplicates...
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<Filystyn>
hello
<Filystyn>
guys y-or-n-prompt
<Filystyn>
i mean y-or-n-p
<Filystyn>
it forces to pass Y or N
<Filystyn>
but
<Filystyn>
i get either T or Nil
<Filystyn>
is that ruth false ???
<Filystyn>
how to interpretate this ?
<hayley>
Anything that isn't NIL is true.
<Filystyn>
and T is standard value for Yes
<Filystyn>
or does it jst asume anything not nil can show up ?