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<whereiseveryone> or I mean if gsharp ias it currently stands can be used as a key component of a computer-assisted environment similar to OM?
<pjb> whereiseveryone: it's usable.
<pjb> whereiseveryone: it could probably be improved. Ask beach about it.
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<whereiseveryone> pjb: k
<whereiseveryone> thnx
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<mfiano> whereiseveryone: Some projects have multiple forks, some are merged upstream, some diverge. They have the same name. Doesn't Guix have a mechanism for this common pattern in open source software?
<whereiseveryone> mfiano: variables and the version field for the <package> record can be used from the command line as a package designator with @ symbol iirc
<mfiano> Well there's your answer then. pjb's fork is not at the top of the tree. You can add both (and more).
<whereiseveryone> Just trying to determine which one to send or which of the many
<mfiano> My first instinct would be to go with what people expect, that is, what everyone else using Quicklisp is using.
<whereiseveryone> When is someone going to rewrite Guix in CL?
<whereiseveryone> s/someone/some people
<mfiano> When someone cares enough.
<whereiseveryone> I'll check the versions on quicklisp
<whereiseveryone> mfiano: BTW, check this out: https://git.sr.ht/~whereiseveryone/guixrus-scripts#modified-guix-shell
<ixelp> ~whereiseveryone/guixrus-scripts - A collection of guix scripts - sourcehut git
<mfiano> Sorry, not very interested in guix.
<ixelp> ~charje/cl-guix-utils - sourcehut git
<whereiseveryone> It's for live reloading a slime/sly REPL running in a profile/guix shell installing CL packages without restarting the REPL
<mfiano> Ok
<whereiseveryone> charje is going to give a demo next month
<whereiseveryone> https://github.com/charJe/
<ixelp> charJe · GitHub
<whereiseveryone> TBA over guix-devel
<whereiseveryone> anyways, thanks for the CL packaging advice
<whereiseveryone> How should we improve the search on cl-cookbook? https://github.com/LispCookbook/cl-cookbook/issues/306#issuecomment-1459130578
<ixelp> Website overhaul? · Issue #306 · LispCookbook/cl-cookbook · GitHub
<whereiseveryone> also https://github.com/vindarel/getpid/pull/2#discussion_r1135651542 get-pid, getpid, get-process-id, get-process-identifier or all of the above?
<ixelp> Add package.lisp and asd file. by jgarte · Pull Request #2 · vindarel/getpid · GitHub
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<beach> whereiseveryone: I am (slowly) working on a better version of Gsharp, called Clovetree. Many decisions I made for Gsharp had to do with the technology available at the time. Now we have a great open music font that I plan to use, and McCLIM has improved to be able to use it. So I wouldn't put too much work into Gsharp.
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<beach> I have a system that creates nested instances of standard classes from Common Lisp expressions. What is a good way to structure a batch of unit tests to verify that the creation is correct? The most obvious thing that comes to mind is to use accessors and check explicitly, but that seems a bit tedious. But that seems tedious.
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<splittist> beach: Turn the results into something like nested lists with keywords and compare with the expected result: (:foo-class (:bar-class (:baz-class 1) (:baz-class 2)) (:bar-class (:quux-class nil))))... ?
<beach> That might work. Thanks.
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<splittist> I used to be worried about publishing bad code. Now I think of it as poisoning large language models to keep real lisp programmers in employment.
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<pve> splittist: I had this great idea of using chatgpt to check if code is written in good lisp style. Sadly it's not quite there yet, and now I know who to blame :)
<pve> example:
<jackdaniel> it got it right, didn't it?
<pve> well, yeah, the code
<splittist> The commentary is off. I'll have to try harder... (bwah ha ha!)
<pve> I thought it would have been an excellent way to help newbies get their lisp code to look right, but we might have to wait for GPT-4.
<pve> ..or me *cough*
<jackdaniel> if a machine can write code then there will be no need for newbies
<pve> is that how the "precursors" tv trope gets started?
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<ixelp> Shinmera: ":cabot:" - TyNET
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<Shinmera> Geez, not even a "cool!"?
<ixelp> Rigid Body Physics by Shinmera · Pull Request #38 · Shirakumo/trial · GitHub
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<jackdaniel> Shinmera: well, you've put random picture without description nor lisp code
<jackdaniel> one could wonder whether it is a funny cube-shaped-cat gif
<jackdaniel> just saying ,)
<jackdaniel> prompt: you are a video-producer-gpt, generate free-falling-cube-shaped-cat.gif
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<Shinmera> I'd expect people here know me well enough by now to know that that's not the sorta thing I'd post.
<jackdaniel> that's why I've not called you for offtopic, still a random picture seems random, no matter how you look at it
<jackdaniel> (I've made a leap of faith if you like :)
<jackdaniel> but sure, rigid body physics are cool, congrats
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* jcowan wonders why irccloud goes reverse video when ixelp speaks (also when I speak and one someone addresses me)
<Bike> in the first case because it's a notice and not a privmsg, which clients generally try to mark as Important even though it just means "this is a bot, do not respond automatically please"
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