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<kevingal> NotThatRPG: I was able to quickload unix-opts in the repl just now, if that's the one you're referring to.
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<jackdaniel> so peaceful, people must be enjoying their lisp-zen-time right now
<Equill> Not me. I'm taking a break from studing Semantic Web standards, to work on some music. I get lisp-zen-time once I've absorbed what I need from the standards.
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<pve> Here is my solution to the problem with lisp sessions I mentioned yesterday, in case anyone is interested.
<pve> It took me way to long to figure out how to do this :)
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<pjb> pve: nice to be writing tools!
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<jcowan> Equill: If you want to discuss the Semantic Web with me, I'm available for that `
<Equill> jcowan: Excellent! I'll be good to have another Lisper to discuss it with. Especially somebody with more experience in the area.
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<Equill> "It'll," even.
<jcowan> Okay, join me on #semweb at your convenience
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<pve> pjb: yeah, it's a fun kind of hacking
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<pve> I find the "Quick restart of session" part especially useful at times, for instance if I'm editing tests I can run the tests in a fresh image at the push of a button, or if I'm doing something that frequently messes up the state of the image.
<pve> True lispers will of course scoff at the notion of restarting lisp all the time :)
<beach> Unfortunately, it is very easy to mess up the image.
<jackdaniel> since we play the no true scotsman game I will chip in with an observation, that common lisp was defined first and foremost to be practical, so if someone finds it practical to restart the program to have a clean slate environment and doesn't do that for a sole sake of being pure, that person is not a true lisper :)
<pve> I often hit the restart button just to get rid of unwanted methods or functions, i.e. things that I've deleted from the buffer but are still present in the image.
<pve> Well, maybe not often, but sometimes.
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<splittist> arrgh! Do I really want to implement all these PDF compression/decompression algorithms? ): Why must modern file formats insist on using the full resources of the computer?
<jcowan> the same reason that Edmund Hillary climbed Everest
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<jcowan> But really, people have huuuuuuuuge PDF libraries where another 1% compression amounts to real $$$$$
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<splittist> To get away from bees?
<Equill> Cue Eddie Izzard
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<masinter> PDF creators need only one compression algorithm -- the burden is on the readers to implement more
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<jackdaniel> it is usually easier to write than to read, god forbid edit!
<ober> when you save an image, what gets thrown away?
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<splittist> masinter: I want to read ):
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<NotThatRPG> I am trying to build an application based on SBCL that needs an extremely large memory allocation. I was using Xach's buildapp. there's a `--dynamic-space-size` option for buildapp, but it seems like it's only for the application *builder*, not for the application itself (at least I *think* that's what's going wrong). Anyone know how to make an application with a large memory size?
<NotThatRPG> It looks like buildapp will use SBCL's `:save-runtime-options`. I wonder if it has the same constraints on argument ordering and that's why I'm not seeing this carry over.
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<NotThatRPG> OK, I believe I have found the problem: SBCL is stripping off `--dynamic-space-size` before buildapp can see it, so it does not get passed through properly.
<NotThatRPG> https://github.com/xach/buildapp/issues/36 -- that made my head hurt!
<ixelp> --dynamic-space-size handling on SBCL is broken · Issue #36 · xach/buildapp · GitHub
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<jmercouris> Anyone using CL as their system shell?
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<jmercouris> obviously you would want some reader macros and some modifications
<jmercouris> Oh wow I see Lish now
<jmercouris> this feels new
<jmercouris> I don't remember this years ago
<jmercouris> ober: I don't think anything is thrown away
<jmercouris> ober: UNLESS you specifically use something like a tree shaker
<jmercouris> I could be mistaken though, I don't know a lot about image dumping
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<kagev> jmercouris: are you going to integrate a shell with nyxt?
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<jmercouris> kagev: yes, very possibly
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<kagev> cool! :)
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