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<jcowan> NotThatRPG: I think the best approach would be to create the file if it does not exist, close it, and then use with-open-file.
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* splittist writes an octal character escape decoder for c-like strings for the nth time
<splittist> Under closos I will be able to query my source code base for forms (digit-char-p * 8) and see how I did it before...
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<pjb> splittist: code reuse?
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<splittist> That, too. :depends-on (... left-pad ... )
<ixelp> Michael Babich / trivial-left-pad · GitLab
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<pve> I asked chatgpt to comment some code. What do you think?
<ixelp> chatgpt comments code, before - after - Album on Imgur
<pve> I feel there could be at least some added value here ;)
<pjb> Yes.
<beach> Well, comments that paraphrase the code represent one of the most common mistakes of inexperienced programmers.
<pve> right, but if you get them "for free"?
<beach> No, because the problem with such comments is that they tend to get out of sync with the code.
<pjb> They're not to be commited.
<pjb> The IDE could have them generated on demand as decorations.
<msavoritias> Also a human could learn to do them better
<msavoritias> or do them better to begin with
<pjb> For programmers who are not fluent with the language or the algorithm, that can be useful.
<pjb> But I would advise them to try to read the code instead.
<pve> i think the ai should keep them in sync with the code always
<msavoritias> so you have the language generator to scan the code always? But will we get better comments then? /thinks
<msavoritias> when*
<pve> pjb: I hadn't thought of not committing them, but instead only use them in the IDE.. that sounds interesting.
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<pve> pjb: But what you're proposing seems to be something for the future, since currently the ai can make terrible mistakes, so the one who can best verify that the comments it produces are correct is the original author of the code.
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<pjb> pve: try M-x vc-annotate RET for example. You can build temporary buffers. They're not code comments, but code explanations. They could be formatted typographically, instead of being syntactically comments.
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<pve> pjb: yeah, that's pretty cool, hopefully we'll have M-x ai-annotate someday :)
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<pjb> pve: you could implement it in emacs lisp easily. IIRC, there's an API to access ChatGPT.
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<pve> pjb: I need to look into that.
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<bjorkintosh> so this is basically reverse literate programming isn't it pve?
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<bjorkintosh> write the program first, and then stuff it with comments and then ??? Profit!
<pjb> bjorkintosh: you could try it with chatgpt: feeding the comments, see how well it can rewrite the code.
<bjorkintosh> from pseudocode to actual code? that could be intriguing.
<pve> bjorkintosh: I'm not sure what to call it but I just want to help future pve when he needs to revisit that script I was 100% sure would be a throw-away 6 months from now :)
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<bjorkintosh> hopefully services like chatpt will become as commonplace and ubiquitous as search engines.
<jackdaniel> injecting ads in these will be so much more fun than seo right?
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<bjorkintosh> jackdaniel just ruined my rosy gpt future.
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