#armbian on 2023-09-16 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

00:00 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> Cool, good to know

00:00 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> I got one more board

00:01 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152393749612204152/20230915_200044.jpg

00:02 <DC-IRC> <lanefu> @mackahan any pro tips for the elite?

00:02 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> I have an Elite Renegade already, but I bought off of ebay were the person I bought off from Flashed with Radxa 3 SPI, ugh. So it won't boot.

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00:03 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> So, now I have a new Elite, super excited

00:04 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> I got a couple of their new genbasic usb, their old ones are great

00:04 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152394618349027418/20230915_200338.jpg

00:05 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152394778466603038/20230915_200506.jpg

00:05 <DC-IRC> <lanefu> sounds super basic 😛

00:05 <DC-IRC> <lanefu> does it do 5ghz?

00:07 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> Yes, the old one only does 2.4Ghz, but I only bought them because there $5 a piece work great with Armbian and mose other distro with no additional firmware.

00:07 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> So, again yes 2.4 Ghz/5 Ghz and Blue Tooth

00:08 <DC-IRC> <lanefu> yeah thats hard to beat.. working and $5

00:09 <DC-IRC> <Tonymac32> Use a 12V DC dumb supply with a barrel to type C adapter

00:09 <DC-IRC> <Tonymac32> I run mine on PoE

00:11 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> I got the official 30W USB Power Supply so I should be good

00:12 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> My Sweet Potato Pi was supposed to have come with POE hat, but they will not be release until next month

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06:00 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> Hi

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10:16 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> @viraniac it doesnt work

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11:12 <juri_> what doesn't work?

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11:50 <DC-IRC> <viraniac> Right. Too much information to figure out the problem. Please try giving bit less information next time

12:07 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ugh

12:07 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> welp

12:08 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> you cant install it using debian 12

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12:52 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Nextcloud works fine on Debian 12

12:53 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Go read https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/installation/system_requirements.html

13:35 <juri_> I'm not sure i'd call "docker, snap, vm appliance, pile of scripts, docker image" installing on an OS, but.. :)

13:35 <juri_> upstream your work, people.

13:37 <juri_> pile of scripts is almost working with the OS. it can easily be "deploy a bunch of crap outside the OS", as well.

13:51 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> juri_: where's that from?

13:51 <juri_> https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/installation/source_installation.html .

13:52 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yeah but not nextcloudpi

13:53 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> look at the webiste

13:53 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> juri_: all the source is available... its the "upstream choices" decision to use it or not

13:54 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> If Ubuntu/Debian/Arch don't want to implement it in their distro, that's their choice.. not NextCloud's

13:54 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> kk

13:54 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> im just elling

13:54 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> telling

13:54 <juri_> tenkawa42: i do not agree, and pretty strongly. you have to work with upstreams if you want to make everything better. or, you can dump code, and say "good luck".

13:55 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> im stuck

13:55 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152603635985952879/image.png

13:55 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> juri_: no its called making a choice.

13:55 <juri_> if you're reproducing the packages that are in the OS already (say, installing your own PHP), then you are not working WITH upstream, you're working along side, and making security worse.

13:56 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> the documentation says the first boot will give u an activation username and pass

13:56 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> but i went straight to this screen

13:56 <juri_> yes, we all make choices. and you're making the choice to say you work with someone, when clearly, you're dumping problems on the end user.

13:56 <juri_> .. this is besides the point, for this user tho.

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13:57 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> lol

13:58 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> sooo il install a fresh copy and try again

13:58 <juri_> wait.

13:58 <juri_> first, read the docs a bit more, to see if there is a default user / password.

13:58 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> This is what he should be using....

13:58 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> https://ubuntu.com/appliance/nextcloud/raspberry-pi

13:58 <juri_> then, do you have any sort of physical console on this device?

13:59 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Not trying to use something designed for a developer

13:59 <juri_> perhaps it's giving you the username / password in a banner?

14:00 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yeah but i dont know the database pass

14:00 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> cuz its made by the installer

14:00 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> @shivasiddharth you can't do these types of things if you don't know this information...

14:00 <juri_> sure. i'm just saying, if it has hdmi, read what's on the screen there.

14:00 <juri_> it may be expecting you to look there for the username / password.

14:01 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> wait il show u

14:01 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://help.nextcloud.com/t/how-to-access-nextcloudpi-first-time-activation/126309

14:01 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> look at this

14:02 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> and i cant access my device using nextcloudpi.local or https://nextcloudpi

14:02 <juri_> ok, neat.

14:03 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> i can only access it using its ip

14:03 <juri_> so, is it getting a DHCP lease from your router? i mean, 192.168.2.2 sounds leasy to me.

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14:04 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> no its static

14:04 <juri_> it could be that your router is not accepting nextcloud's "request" to have the nextcloudpi name.

14:04 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> hmm

14:04 <juri_> ok, so how is DNS supposed to work here? do you control your router?

14:04 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> but the first problem is that i dont get the activation screen

14:05 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> i get the login screen

14:05 <juri_> not necessarily.

14:05 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> it kinda is

14:05 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ?

14:05 <juri_> think of it this way: a web server gets to know what name you used to access it.

14:05 <juri_> it can behave differently for "you accessed me by IP" versus "you called me bob!".

14:05 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> juri_: he's trying to use avahi/mdns and its failing..

14:05 <juri_> so, it's possible your DNS problem is causing the device to misbehave.

14:06 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> that needs to be figred out first

14:06 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> okayyyy?

14:06 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> er figured

14:06 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> so what do i do now?

14:06 <juri_> right. if you can login into the router, try setting a name for that IP manually.

14:06 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> i cant do that

14:07 <juri_> you don't control your router?

14:07 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> look

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14:07 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> this is my routers homepage

14:07 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152606764303388843/image.png

14:08 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> and there is no function to change its hostname

14:08 <juri_> you can't change the hostname.

14:08 <juri_> you can change the nickname.

14:08 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yes

14:09 <juri_> so, try that.

14:09 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> so what should i name it to?

14:09 <juri_> nextcloudpi?

14:09 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> oki

14:10 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> done

14:10 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152607423656370217/image.png

14:12 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> looks good?

14:12 <juri_> yep.

14:12 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> okay

14:12 <juri_> does that change anything?

14:12 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> but i get the same thing

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14:13 <juri_> and what happens when you go to 'nextcloudpi'?

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14:13 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> umm

14:13 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> this

14:13 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152608280829497418/image.png

14:13 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> lol

14:14 <juri_> ok. so the nickname is not being reflected in DNS.

14:14 <juri_> in your router, is there a setting for 'domain'?

14:14 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yeah

14:14 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> no

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14:15 <juri_> do you have a linux machine attached to this router?

14:15 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> no

14:15 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> i mean i have wsl?

14:15 <juri_> hmm. windows?

14:15 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yeah

14:15 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> with wsl

14:16 <juri_> ok, look at your network card settings, and see what domain it's giving you.

14:17 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> should i just try again?

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14:17 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> cuz i dont think its a network issue

14:17 <juri_> trying again will give you the same thing.

14:17 <juri_> computers are predictable, after all.

14:17 <juri_> you need to fix your network.

14:17 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> what about the nextcloudpi imagges

14:17 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ???

14:18 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> cuz now i installed it on top of armbian

14:18 <juri_> that's a change. may be a change for the better.

14:18 <juri_> doing the same thing i'm against. trying something different makes sense.

14:18 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ok

14:19 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> do u know which one is supported for allwinner h3?

14:19 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152609826380201994/image.png

14:20 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> or isnt it?

14:20 <juri_> try one of the arm64 ones.

14:20 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ok

14:22 <juri_> hmm.

14:22 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> what?

14:22 <juri_> actually, it looks like those probably won't work.

14:22 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> bruh

14:22 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> why?

14:23 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> il try

14:23 <juri_> the H3 is arm32.

14:24 <juri_> so, you would need an arm32 VM image.

14:24 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ah

14:24 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> so the image wont work?

14:24 <juri_> probably not.

14:24 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> sooooo

14:25 <juri_> or, it will try to do hardware emulation, which will be *crazy* slow.

14:25 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> yeah I thought that was a 32 bit

14:25 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> should i turn off port forwarding and try?

14:25 <juri_> wouldn't change things.

14:26 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> sure?

14:26 <juri_> yep.

14:26 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> so now what?

14:27 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> cuz i need the database name username and passwd

14:27 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> is there any way i could do that via terminal?

14:28 <juri_> possibly. they say something about a CLI tool?

14:28 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> and for some reason when i log onto ssh as root it says user unavailble

14:28 <juri_> "you will be able to review or reset them with nc-admin (for NC) and nc-passwd (forNCP) from either Web UI or Terminal UI."

14:28 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> oh

14:28 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> i read that too

14:29 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> From what I'm reading Nextcloud really doesn't support arm on 32 bit anymore

14:30 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Even if it will run the performance is going to be very bad

14:30 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> read this :

14:30 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/27/admin_manual/installation/installation_wizard.html

14:31 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> That's a "very generic" document... you need to read the developer documents

14:32 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> even this is important

14:32 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Nextcloud needs a minimum of 128MB RAM per process, and we recommend a minimum of 512MB RAM per process.

14:32 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> the opi0 has 512mb?

14:32 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> oh

14:32 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> wait

14:32 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> thats per proccess

14:32 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Per process

14:33 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> that thing will have dozens of processes

14:33 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yikes

14:33 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> sooo

14:33 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> i cant use nextcloud on this

14:33 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ?

14:33 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Like I said.. if it ca its going to be very very slow

14:34 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Like I said.. if it can its going to be very very slow

14:34 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> but it looks like minimally it would need to be tuned to reduce memory usage

14:34 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ok

14:35 <DC-IRC> <tenkawa42> Unfortunately between it, the webserver, and the database it adds up quick

14:35 <juri_> have you tried logging in on the hdmi / keyboard?

14:35 <juri_> (if you have one?)

14:36 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> the opi0 doesnt have vid output

14:36 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> i mean it does but then i need to buy the expansion board

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14:36 <juri_> ah. did you set up a user during initial armbian install?

14:36 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yeah

14:37 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> cuz without one it wouldnt install

14:38 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yeah sooooo i did a reboot and i get a 404

14:39 <juri_> sounds like it's having trouble. might be related to the lack of memory.

14:39 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> hmmmmm

14:40 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> juri i beg u should i try a reinstall

14:40 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> pls

14:41 <juri_> I don't think it'll help. you probably need more machine.

14:41 <juri_> have you tried logging in as the user you set up, over ssh?

14:41 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> thats the only thing i can do

14:41 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> as i said for some reason it kicks me out if i login with root

14:41 <juri_> ok, and do you have a nc-admin tool at that command prompt?

14:42 <juri_> yeah, that's standard security practice.

14:42 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> oh

14:42 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> what comand should i use?

14:42 <juri_> nc-admin?

14:42 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> doesnt work

14:43 <juri_> ok, try 'sudo bash'

14:43 <juri_> that should change it to where you're logged in as root.

14:43 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> nope

14:43 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> doent work

14:44 <juri_> it didn't ask you for a password?

14:44 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> it did

14:44 <juri_> ok, then the prompt changed, yes?

14:44 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> and then it said command not found

14:44 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> lol

14:44 <juri_> oh. ok.

14:44 <juri_> try 'sudo /bin/sh'

14:45 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> nope

14:45 <juri_> for your reference: "doesn't work" is about the most useless feedback you can give. ;)

14:45 <juri_> what did it do?

14:46 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> wait

14:46 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> here

14:47 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152616629700673586/Screen_recording_2023-09-16_4.46.19_PM.webm

14:48 <juri_> ok, very useful.

14:48 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> yes

14:49 <juri_> try sudo ncp-config

14:50 <juri_> https://help.nextcloud.com/t/recover-ncp-admin-password-or-reset-or-change/102289

14:50 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> OMG IT WORKS

14:50 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152617531048214568/image.png

14:52 <juri_> looks like what you need is under CONFIG.

14:52 <juri_> that's about all i can find, tho.

14:52 <DC-IRC> <shivasiddharth> ok

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18:50 <DC-IRC> <lanefu> @terrorpup oh I forgot I spun a edge uefi image last night

18:50 <DC-IRC> <lanefu> https://refuge.armsurvivors.icu/lanefu/lanefu_23.08.0-trunk_Uefi-arm64_bookworm_edge_6.5.3_cinnamon_desktop/?C=M&O=D

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20:39 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> Wow Frank, Jos my old community manager (SuSE) and Satish nice pick. I help them on Facebook page

20:40 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> Me and about 8 others went to SCaLE for SuSE, stay a week in the Motel in LA

20:41 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> Before Frank spinned NextCloud I got to catch up with Jos again

20:41 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1152705866815000727/FB_IMG_1694896639381.jpg

20:42 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> I was there for SouthEast Linux Fest, I was a community manager thank God I am about 60 lbs lighter

20:45 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> @lanefu cool

20:48 <DC-IRC> <lanefu> i need to try to goto that sometime

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21:10 <DC-IRC> <lomotil> hey, I don't see it on the website for armbian but is there an armbian buster or bullseye variant for the odroid hc4 for download?

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21:21 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> one sec

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21:25 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> https://fi.mirror.armbian.de/archive/odroidhc4/archive/

21:56 <yang2> lomotil, you can click on "date" and you will see the latest available

22:20 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> Armbian got shout out in Jeff Geerling video, he was setting up with the La Potato

22:20 <DC-IRC> <terrorpup> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsV_C9cMf8A

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