04:07 <DC-IRC> <igorpec> That is not an issue, but feature

05:10 <gaaichan998> Can anyone help me see what's wrong?

05:10 <gaaichan998> Starting armbian for the first time

05:11 <gaaichan998> https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/c1e39c58c2ec4898b4e5626b720d3645

07:43 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> I know I will get hate but reading IRC messages is so annoying

07:43 <jspiros> as opposed to?

07:43 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> Is it possible to colour the names?

07:44 <jspiros> ah, as a Discord user

07:44 <jspiros> yeah, it's just as annoying over here

07:44 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> Ye

07:44 <jspiros> except reading Discord messages is slightly more annoying because when you guys edit your messages, it spams IRC, and it sometimes just cuts off due to message length issues

07:44 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> I'm happy to hear it, so it's fair then 🤣

07:45 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> What client are you using for IRC?

07:45 <jspiros> alas, the only solution would be to not use Discord, as a proprietary platform like Discord doesn't allow for good bridges to exist that properly bridge the protocols

07:45 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> I have matrix

07:45 <jspiros> or not use IRC and only use Discord, but frankly, an open-source Linux project using Discord primarily just seems... inappropriate, at least to me

07:46 <jspiros> but I've certainly seen it happen

07:46 <jspiros> if the network (Libera.chat in this case) supports Matrix, that could work well

07:46 <jspiros> usually that's bridged on a user-by-user basis

07:47 <jspiros> but I think I saw they shut down the bridge last month, not sure if it's back up

07:48 <jspiros> as for me, I use a ZNC bouncer and then different clients, right now I'm on a Mac OS X machine using Textual, on my Linux desktop I use HexChat (I don't really like HexChat, but I configured it well enough to not annoy me), and I have a client on my phone, don't remember what it is

07:48 <jspiros> I miss using irssi, might set it back up again

07:48 <jspiros> and I hear good things about weechat

07:49 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> Could we agree and use matrix? FreeCAD also uses matrix xd

07:49 <jspiros> Matrix is certainly better than Discord

07:50 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> Much better

07:50 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> Just depends which client u use

07:50 <jspiros> that said, I personally like using IRC and don't plan to stop using it

07:50 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> You can also create your own client lol

07:50 <jspiros> Matrix is really over-engineered, IMO

07:50 <jspiros> but at least it's open-source, and if people want software that does what it does, yeah, it's a good option

07:50 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> I need to compare them when I'm home

07:51 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> I think it's not over engineered, is it because of the chat room keys you must store on your own device because you own the keys unless like with WhatsApp etc

07:52 <jspiros> I just mean the protocol, but sure, that's particularly complex too

07:53 <jspiros> Jabber had the same problem

07:53 <jspiros> (an over-engineered protocol)

07:53 <jspiros> trying to solve too many problems

07:53 <jspiros> but again, if you /need/ a solution to all of those problems, yeah, good option

07:53 <jspiros> :)

07:54 <jspiros> I certainly don't mind that it exists, but when it becomes a question of IRC vs. Matrix, for example, I don't think everyone should just "upgrade" to Matrix from IRC for everything, as I don't think it's an actual upgrade in a lot of cases

08:17 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> Can you explain further?

09:56 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> Because it sounds like IRC has no encryption

11:00 <Treibholz> https://xkcd.com/927/

11:43 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> Basically yes hahaha

12:10 <DC-IRC> <stonededge> Hi guys, does anyone know why I am getting a bound display drm message from kernel but my display still isn’t showing any image? I am using an ILI9881C controller. It says it’s bound (which I assume means display detected on the DSI bus)

12:11 <DC-IRC> <stonededge> https://paste.armbian.com/uzusilunum.scss

12:11 <DC-IRC> <stonededge> I’ve posted the dmesg log above

12:11 <DC-IRC> <stonededge> Hi guys, does anyone know why I may be getting a bound display drm message from kernel but my display still isn’t showing any image? I am using an ILI9881C controller. It says it’s bound (which I assume means display detected on the DSI bus)

12:16 <DC-IRC> <stonededge> What does this “bound message” actually mean? Does it mean the display has been detected?

12:16 <DC-IRC> <stonededge> What does this “bound message” actually mean? Does it mean the display controller has been detected by the host device?

12:28 <jspiros> 0xdamian: IRC can support various approaches to encryption, but I also don't really think many applications, such as public open source project chat rooms, need or want that

12:30 <jspiros> 0xdamian: as for IRC, you can wrap IRC in TLS between client and server, and some clients implement approaches for doing user-to-user encryption beyond that

12:50 <jspiros> man, I guess that proves I haven't played much N64 as an adult

12:50 <jspiros> oops, wrong channel

13:34 <DC-IRC> <0xdamian> So IRC is more like for public stuff where it's still public at the end so encryption doesn't matter

21:27 <DC-IRC> <jackn01> anybody uses the orangepi4 ?

23:09 <jspiros> 0xdamian: not necessarily, as you can deploy and encrypt IRC to be effectively as secure in group chats as anything else; the main features that people want that IRC doesn't usually provide are the sorts of things the IRCv3 project are adding, like being able to view the log of a chat room you weren't in at the time, or being able to edit messages, or richer messages with multimedia attachments, and so on

23:10 <jspiros> and, frankly, I suspect some people just like the "modern" web/web-browser based interfaces; while there are some IRC clients that come close, it's not something IRC in general is known for