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<RoyK>
hi all. I just got two MangoPi machines and although cute machines, running what looks to be Armbian for Orange Pi Zero, I don't have a monitor for them, so I thought I might get them connected to wifi with a serial console. I can find some wpa_supplicant parts, but I setting up a manual config didn't seem to work. What can be done here?
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<archetech>
read a site that covers linux wifi setup
<archetech>
for deb/ubu tons of em
<RoyK>
archetech: please… I know Debian by heart and there it's done by modifying /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and restarting wpa-supplicant. This doesn't work here. If it has, you'd never hear from me
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<archetech>
wireless is rarely that simple
<archetech>
do you have a wless iface present?
<Herc>
correct country code is sometimes important too
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<Jason123> I thought it was network manager that was used
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<archetech>
RoyK: hey the "boss" is givin you a tip ;)
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<RoyK>
seems the main problem was that I'm used to Debian (still) and Debian doesn't, by default, use networkmanager
<Armbian-Discord>
<TheNakedTruth> ZFS is not supposed to work yet under OrangePi5? zfs-dkms does not compile.
<archetech>
RoyK: ya dont need NM for wless to work
<archetech>
do you have a wless iface present? wlan0 etc
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> I seem to have stumbled upon a low level bug. I recently purchased two brand new Samsung 870QVO SSDs, and an Odroid HC4. It seems that the drives are not detected on boot, at all (not present in dmesg/syslog/lsblk). If I hot plug them, there is a series of messages about "soft resetting" and within 30-60 seconds the drives appear, I cannot fathom why this is happening, I have tested the drives on my Arch
<Armbian-Discord>
laptop and they work fine, if I run ubuntu on the HC4, the drives also behave exactly as expected. There appears to be something specific to armbian boot process/kernel/subsystems, but I am out of my depth and can see nothing useful. Any help, greatly appreciated.
<archetech>
eww
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @archetech, is that a reply to me? If so, I heartily agree.
<archetech>
chk the armb boot log
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @archetype took a look in there, saw no issues, now it's possible there's something that's "working" but incompatible with these drives, but I wouldn't know how to figure that out. Would you have an idea if I were to share it?
<archetech>
need some errors or such
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> No errors
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> None visible anywhere at all, until I replug the drives. Then I start to get soft_resets and other output. I can do that for the sake of providing logs if that may help?
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> At first I assumed it might be a power issue, perhaps the drives not having enough juice during boot. But ubuntu handles it all fine, and there's no messages to indicate power issues.
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<archetech>
ya power is a poss
<archetech>
google sammy model for linux issues
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> I did briefly but will again. Would just have expected my arch install or the ubuntu hc4 install to fail if it was hardware specific
<archetech>
ya so why do ya want armbian ?
<archetech>
id just use arch
<archetech>
heh
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @archetech because I just wanted to set up a nice simple OMV server, and all of it seems to be geared around debian/armbian.
<archetech>
ah yes
<archetech>
I like omv been a user since it began but ...
<archetech>
there are simple ways to get same thing
<archetech>
ebody wants that web iface tool is what I beleive
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> much simpler yes
<archetech>
eye candy
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> Not quite. OMV is one line install, then you can install various docker containers etc, it's considerably less manual.
<archetech>
less manual is for noobs
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> Or people that spend all day writing code and debugging and don't really want to do it for something as trivial as running a NAS?
<archetech>
nas isnt trivial
<archetech>
unless ya dont value tour data
<archetech>
y
<archetech>
learn samba nfs and kvm
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Learning the internals is how you keep yourself out of trouble ongoing with these things... believe me
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> You literally just said "simple ways to get same" implies trivial
<archetech>
simple for seasoned linux techs
<archetech>
be one
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<leafybasil> No thanks
<archetech>
be all you can be lol
<archetech>
cuz right now you are a fish out of water dependent on a distro for your nas
<archetech>
word
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> This conversation has taken a weird turn.
<archetech>
no theres simplt 2 ways to get your nas
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> I'm not dependent on it, I am choosing to use it for convenience, which is what OMV was designed for. I'm using an OS that's specifically crafted to support devices like mine, and encountered a bizarre issue that appears to be specific to the OS in some fashion, assumed it might be something people care about/want to fix.
<archetech>
simply
<archetech>
yeah nobodys piping up for omv on your board sry
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> No issue there, didn't expect people to, if there's an official issue tracker I'm happy to report it there.
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> But telling someone "solve your problems by becoming an expert of something", that's out of scope for the question. I can likely lash together an ubuntu server with some docker containers to isolate and run the other things I care about in a small amount of time. But I don't want to do that if I can have something nicer, and honestly if this is a bug, I suspect it's worth fixing.
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> Thanks @IgorPec
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<IgorPec> don't be too excited 😉
<archetech>
my suggestion wast a solution its was a fact of using linux
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<archetech>
you make yourself a slave of others or learn what ya need to get a job done in linux world ...fact
<nekomancer[m]>
™
<archetech>
nekomancer[m]: whats the command for that
<archetech>
im in konversation
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<leafybasil> Again, seems a bit of an extremity.
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<IgorPec> what is extremity?
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<leafybasil> Suggesting that not always building/composing your own systems makes you a slave.
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<IgorPec> aha, ok, that i don't quite understand
<archetech>
lol you aint gettin what ya want unless armbian bows to your needs
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<leafybasil> Are you suggesting that Armbian won't have any interest in resolving bugs?
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<IgorPec> bugs for hardware vendor and all linux distributions?
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<IgorPec> we are doing that, but you don't care
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<leafybasil> I don't?
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> I do care...
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<leafybasil> I'm literally saying I will raise the issue
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<IgorPec> this is work for few full timers
<archetech>
here we go
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> pay their food
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<leafybasil> haha
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> well, then go cry to those that sold you half working crap
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<leafybasil> I'm not moaning about a lack of support, I'm not criticising the project or the people involved. I'm just saying, there's a bug, and the team may care.
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<IgorPec> 2 years is to wait
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> that is the problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> I'm very confused about whats going on here
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> cause you are not the only one with the problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> well, if you want that armbian team deals with your problem ...
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<IgorPec> you need to wait that they resolve other peoples problems before you
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<Tenkawa> @leafybasil is it a Armbian specific problem do you think or a generic OMV/hardware combo issue?
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<IgorPec> do you agree on such fair play?
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> It's not "my problem" it's "a problem". I would think it best resolved for anyone/everyone.
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<IgorPec> it not my problem too
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> I don't have any comments on priority or workload, it's not for me to choose
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> its open source. is you hiring a developer or me
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> or fix it on their own
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @Tenkawa it's armbian, the SSDs are not present on fresh install.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> or fix on their own, yes
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> arnmbian OS works perfectly well
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> Not really sure where you're going wit this @IgorPec I wasn't prescribing, I wasn't moaning, it sounds like yyou're having a different conversation altogether
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> download x86 image and verify
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Have you confirmed this with another distribution install to test?
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @Tenkawa I have indeed
<Armbian-Discord>
<Tenkawa> Ok... just wanted to confirm.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> yes, they all uses our work
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> I was saying before that the ubuntu image on that same board works as expected.
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<IgorPec> as fixing this for you exceeds yearly budget
<Armbian-Discord>
<amazingfate> You need a developer caring about your issue. It seems that right now no one is a omv user.
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<leafybasil> This is a weirdly hostile attitude @IgorPec I'm not expecting miracles, or anything really. I came here first for advice to verify it wasnt just my stupidity.
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @amazingfate it's not an OMV issue. It seems to be two of my SSDs with armbian bullseye.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> i am truly sorry, but there are not many ways to explain this
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> You didn't need to explain it, I know very well how poorly OSS is rewarded, if at all.
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<leafybasil> I'm not sure why it took such a tangent, I wasnt suggesting at any point that this should be addressed in any particular time frame, only that the project as a whole may care.
<Armbian-Discord>
<amazingfate> If that is a hardware issue, you can contact the board maintainer.
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @amazingfate ruled out by running other distros.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> other distros don't even think to waist their time for this
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> fixing such problem can take a week, perhaps two
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> You're saying other distros don't look into bug reports?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> nope
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> this is not distro problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> btw
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<IgorPec> this is hw vendor problem
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> There's issue trackers all over suggesting otherwise.
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<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> well, then report it there
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> when fix will be done, it will come to armbian too
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<IgorPec> this is how open source works
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> If it's HW vendor issue, how does the ubuntu image (based on armbian as you say) capable of detecting the devices?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> did you click my link?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> we made a FAQ since there are many people asking this over and over again
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> Clicked but not read.
<Armbian-Discord>
<amazingfate> What I said about hardware issue is hardware related issue. For example drivers, device tree config. There should be a maintainer at armbian.
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> should, but if its not ...
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<nekomancer[m]>
<archetech> "nekomancer: whats the command..." <- it's just a unicode character. Copy it from channel, or get in in any character map application
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @amazingfate yeah I assume there's people at Armbian who are concerned with these things. I tried other SSDs that work fine, other HDDs that work fine, it's bizarrely this pair of brand new SSDs under Armbian having trouble.
<archetech>
ok copied now hat
<archetech>
what
<Armbian-Discord>
<amazingfate> That's understandable. Too many boards and too less developers. That's why I became a contributor starting from fixing armbian bugs for my board.
<Armbian-Discord>
<amazingfate> Another ubuntu images works so you can compare the device tree of the two system. I guess they are both available on internet.
<archetech>
that would require effort on his prt
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> That's helpful, and I'm happy to try that
<archetech>
nekomancer[m]: HOW DO i USE THE SYMBOL! ;p
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> This place usually this rude?
<archetech>
yep
<archetech>
for the entitled types
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> What's entitled about asking for advice or reporting bugs?
<archetech>
make armbian work for my board on omv or ill report ya to the nwo
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> No-one said that.
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> Or anything close really.
<archetech>
jk
<archetech>
we havin some fun cuz ya fit the "profile"
<archetech>
I bet its a kernel option ya need so fig it out and build yerself a armbian img
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> Happy to try doing that.
<archetech>
or an overlay which is another beast all together
<Armbian-Discord>
<krachlatte> - Check rootdelay= (did the system wait ong enough?)
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<krachlatte> - Missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev)
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<krachlatte> ALERT! UUID=0892727b-6384-4a5e-ac71-2f216c5b0de9 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
<Armbian-Discord>
<krachlatte> any idea what could cause this not finding the rootfs partition ?
<archetech>
lol ya floods get lots of help
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> @leafybasil
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> Apologies if something sounded rude to you but you have to understand our position as well. Every day multiple people asking demanding bug fixes but have no intention to give something back to the project. We try our best to keep up with kernel development, market changes and upstream things but the people actively working on Armbian on over one hundred different boards can be literally counted with one or two hand.
<Armbian-Discord>
No big companies are behind us and sponsoring full time developers. Almost everything is done in our free personal time.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> We are grateful for bug reports but please do not expect fixes within a foreseeable time window simply due to lack of human resources.
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @Werner I do understand the position. But presumably I would have to do something to fall into that bucket? I wasn't asking for my problem to be solved, I wasn't talking about timeframes, or expectations of any sort. I was simply saying that there may be a bug, and I'd like to rule out my own stupidity/misconfirguration first, followed by reporting it, as the team likely cares, even if they have hundreds of
<Armbian-Discord>
things to do first.
<Armbian-Discord>
<Werner> I have to admit I did not read the entire chat history since I am pretty familiar with both the questions people might ask and the resulting rant from some certain people 😅
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> something is wrong with SD card / emmc driver / dts
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> @Werner all good, appreciate the reply anyway.
<Armbian-Discord>
<krachlatte> thx, i need to have a deeper look
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> what if problems was already mentioned on forums?
<Armbian-Discord>
<IgorPec> within "bug tracker"
<nekomancer[m]>
<archetech> "nekomancer: HOW DO i USE THE..." <- I use a keyboard layout with extended symbols on a 3rd level, and enter with right key altgr.
<nekomancer[m]>
and I can copy and paste it from any text, like url I post.
<nekomancer[m]>
If it not work for you then sorry I don't have an idea what's goung on. possile it's kind of curse... or your system not support unicode... or something else
<archetech>
na I just have exper using symbols
<archetech>
in irc
<archetech>
no exper
<archetech>
I see cool stuff but im lazy on learning to use em
<archetech>
like the thumbs up
<Armbian-Discord>
<leafybasil> Checked forums, believe I said so in initial post.
<nekomancer[m]>
copy+paste from armbian-next compile log [🐳|🌿]
<Armbian-Discord>
<krachlatte> https://pastebin.com/EVCpcUui i was able to grab a snippet before it goes to mounting root fs, any idea ?
<Armbian-Discord>
<krachlatte> Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.