12:21 <leon-p> and the chicken scheme port is here, that hopefully makes it a bit easier for people wanting to test antares :)

12:53 <ifreund> neat, I will have to give it a try

12:53 <ifreund> chicken is definitely a much lighter weight dependency than guile

12:55 <leon-p> true. It also doesn't have the issue where distributions somehow don't include the canonical library location in the load path

12:55 <leon-p> note that compile times are still miserable though and unlikely to get better

12:56 <ifreund> huh, any idea why that is?

12:56 <ifreund> are you doing a lot of macro stuff that happens at compile time?

12:56 <ifreund> I dont really know much about scheme implementation

12:57 <leon-p> there are macros, but not a lot. I suspect foreign-lambda is just expensive to compile

12:57 <leon-p> and there are a lot of those

13:00 <leon-p> if you want to experiment faster, without recompiling, you can add a (load "config.scm") somewhere. If you include the antares module in it, you can also use all of those functions and install hooks / redefine procedures without needing to compile

14:08 <ifreund> leon-p: building/running the chicken version worked great for me on chimera, I only minorly patch the Makefile to get rid of -Werror (I'm using clang rather than gcc) and use csc rather than chicken-csc

14:08 <ifreund> I presume your distro has renamed csc to chicken-csc due to a name conflict or something, chimera doesn't seem to have done the same, at least not yet

14:09 <ifreund> I suppose a $CSC variable is the way to go

17:26 <leon-p> yeah, my laptop runs arch, where it chicken-csc, my office workstation runs fedora which has csc :/

17:26 <waleee> fedora has some annoying renames for sometimes unexplicable reasons

17:27 <leon-p> in this case it's actually arch that renamed it 🤷

17:27 <waleee> usually your random -64 suffix appendings

18:29 <waleee> leon-p: (... a hundred irc-years later) are you switching scheme's btw? Weren't you into guile?

18:31 <leon-p> I still like guile quite a lot and it's defintely the one I'd recommend for someone getting startet with scheme, it's easiely the most mature and thanks to andy wingo it gets continuosly better (f.e. he's been working on a better garbage collector last year which will be put into guile soon-ish)

18:31 <leon-p> however it has some issues

18:32 <leon-p> f.e. the default location you are supposed to install third-party libraries to isn't in the default load path, at least on arch

18:33 <leon-p> I am still not sure whether shipping pre-byte-compiled guile libraries is officially supported or just works by accident and could break at any time

18:33 <leon-p> and at first use of a guile scheme program it byte compiles the entire thing before starting execution

18:33 <leon-p> the antares bindings took over 10 seconds to compile

18:33 <waleee> gnu project documentations can be on the wrong side of intresting

18:34 <leon-p> that would be a horrible first impression for new users

18:34 <waleee> erc's haven't been updated in this decade

18:34 <leon-p> waleee: guiles documentation is actually high quality, it's just outdated and incomplete

18:35 <leon-p> you can definitely tell they were written by someone who wants you to succeed, which I appreciate

18:35 <leon-p> but I switched to chicken so that the compiling is ahead-of-time, which grants a better out-of-the-box experience

18:36 <leon-p> chicken is missing quite a lot of QoL things I am used to from guile, so I am slowly re-implementing them myself

18:36 <leon-p> and its docs, while complete, are very sparse

18:37 <leon-p> I do still think it's possible to make the reference WM usable with both chicken and guile

18:38 <waleee> I tried gerbil a bit when it was a language you could use for open.kattis.com problems, but they removed it after a while (presumably because it was a pain to build & took ages to compile the compiler)

18:38 <leon-p> for mathy stuff I'd user guile

18:38 <leon-p> it's numeric tower is quite nice

18:38 <leon-p> or honestly julia, which is a scheme in disguise

18:39 <leon-p> can't recommend julia highly enough if you work with a lot of data analysis

18:43 <leon-p> hmm... this made me realize all languages I like are either C's (C, Zig) or Lisps (scheme, eLisp, julia)

18:44 <waleee> the functional language desert :(

18:46 <waleee> to be fair the package situation is a bit abyssmal on eg haskell atm for essential stuff like openssl-bindings

18:47 <waleee> I tried to butcher hsopenssl today to force it to build with openssl 3.2, but no luck

18:48 <waleee> (a tonne of "low level api"-s have been removed in 3.2 after having been marked for deprecation since 3.0)

18:48 <leon-p> yeah, I need to try haskell again, outside of a university course which had the exam on the same day as a mandatory math courses exam :)

18:49 <leon-p> but I think I want to give list programming and cat-langs a try first, think APL

18:50 <waleee> cat-lang?

18:50 <waleee> *langs

18:51 <leon-p> cat as in concat

18:51 <waleee> ah, I guess you have seen https://www.uiua.org/ then?

18:51 <leon-p> indeed :)

19:22 <bwbuhse> I used Racket for advent of code and really liked it a lot. Was my first Lisp programming other than setting up a riverguile config, which I don't think really counts because I had zero clue what I was doing then

19:26 <bwbuhse> Using a Mac for work is painful every time I accidentally press one of my river keybinds and it does something completely different/unwanted. Super+H == hide, which makes sense... but is also not what I'm expecting every time

23:09 <leon-p> Hmm... some windows size flickers when resizing via keybind (rwm branch)

23:10 <leon-p> only happens when hitting that keybind repeatedly. Probably a race caused by the window being a bit slow to respond

23:40 <NickH> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/zig-default_1.html