02:46 <leon-p> river crash! nice :]

02:46 <leon-p> trace: https://paste.sr.ht/~leon_plickat/dd81fc4ac27b09d2143c093e1defafb16ad6609c

02:47 <leon-p> version: 0.3.0-dev.209+0cae415

06:30 <LarstiQ> leon-p: yay :)

09:33 <ifreund> leon-p: that's a fairly old version, I think that's likely been fixed since a04c18819

14:49 <mohan43u> need help, is it possible to start river (or any wlroots based compositor) without monitor plugged-in to the PC? I think Xorg does this but I dont know how it does modesetting without crtc information

14:51 <mohan43u> I have a device which need to be always on, but the monitor can be switched off / on regular basis, which should not affect the compositor

14:51 <mohan43u> if anyone come across similar cases, need your advise

15:58 <LarstiQ> mohan43u: have you tried it?

16:04 <mohan43u> LarstiQ: I trying sway (wlroots based), but it fails to modset

16:07 <mohan43u> LarstiQ: I'm thinking if this is common for all wayland compositors? or specific to sway, theoritacally, modesetting needs crtc information, but wondering how Xorg capable of doing it without plugged in monitor

16:58 <LarstiQ> mohan43u: I don't know which part does the modesetting, if it's wlroots then river probably has the same issue. You _can_ just launch river from the tty, does sway keep running if you unplug the monitor after starting it only when it is attached?

16:58 <LarstiQ> I can imagine that dynamic output handling works but the corner cases of having zero outputs fouls things up

16:59 <LarstiQ> not knowledgeable enough about the code that I'd experiment first

17:44 <mohan43u> LarstiQ: when I unplug the monitor and start sway, it keeps running, I think there are different backends for sway and one of the backend 'headless' kickstarts, but when I start an application, it aborts saying there is no workspace. the drm backend again starts after I plug the monitor cable, so seems like it is still possible to run sway once we fix the workspace error

17:45 <mohan43u> LarstiQ: I'm not sure river have multiple backends

18:13 <novakane> yes, backends is wlroots thing

20:24 <ninewise> where does river log to?

20:25 <ninewise> river fails to start (afaik I didn't change any config) so I wanted to debug

20:26 <ninewise> but even with `-log-level debug`, all output I see is '(EE) could not connect to wayland server' from a backgroun process

20:32 <ninewise> hmm reboot fixed it; still, logs would be nice to have

21:01 <waleee> ninewise: the lack of logs was probably because you didn't get into river at all

21:47 <ifreund> ninewise: river logs to stderr

21:48 <ifreund> you may be able to force the DRM backend with WLR_BACKENDS=drm,libinput

21:48 <ifreund> or is it WLR_Ba

21:49 <ifreund> Or is it WLR_BACKEND? I don't remember

21:51 <novakane> WLR_BACKENDS

22:34 <ninewise> hm, guess I'll figure out why I didn't get into river next time this occurs :D