08:31 <pinpoxIRC> I found out that I need to set QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb for freecad to work withouth lagging. Is that something I can/should set globally in river? Not sure what it does or why it fixes my problem, maybe someone knows if it has side-effects?

08:39 <tiosgz> pinpoxIRC: iiuc it basically tells qt to use xwayland, so i personally would set it only for the one app that misbehaves without it

08:40 <pinpoxIRC> tiosgz: Okay, thanks for explaining. For whatever reason Freecad is extremely laggy if i don't set it for it

08:40 <pinpoxIRC> I'll set it for freecad only then

17:14 <awe> hi..how do I get river to log if there's an issue? for whatever reason I added pipewire as a system service and even after I've removed it I can't spawn a terminal or exit river

17:14 <awe> the brightness keys still work somehow

17:14 <awe> I have no idea what is invald

17:15 <plumeus> people seem to run River with WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 and redirect the output to some log file

17:17 <plumeus> so, probably something like `WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 river > river.log` or maybe you need to redirect stderr to stdin by using `&2>1`.

17:19 <awe> idk why there's nothing in the log file

17:19 <awe> sorry for being so helpless

17:19 <plumeus> try doing `WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 river &2 > river.log`, maybe

17:20 <plumeus> I'm thinking that the debug message is sent to stderr (makes sense) and you need to redirect it

17:21 <plumeus> wait

17:21 <plumeus> `WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 river 2 &> river.log`

17:21 <plumeus> man, I suck

17:23 <awe> it's reassuring to see that even experienced ppl get tripped up by this

17:23 <plumeus> Ha, me, experienced.

17:23 <plumeus> I mostly just have this one shell script I wrote that I check every once in a while when I forget how shell works.

17:24 <plumeus> https://www.shellcheck.net/ is a very nice resource. And the accompanying program.

17:30 <awe> I just redownloaded the default config

18:08 <ifreund> WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 is going to be super noisy to the point of being near useless

18:11 <ifreund> `river 2> river.log` or `river > river.log 2>&1`

18:12 <plumeus> huh

18:13 <ifreund> to be clear, I mean setting WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 for the entire session

18:14 <ifreund> it's super useful to debug individual programs

19:30 <leon-p> I wonder if you could route Wayland through something like wireshark. You could probably write plugins to interpret the wire protocol messages

20:08 <ifreund> leon-p: sounds like wlhax

20:32 <leon-p> maybe

22:33 <mvnx> pinpoxIRC: I tried launching River similarly to your River on NixOS config. The build-vm command you had didn't work for me. I haven't picked up flakes yet (next on my growing list of things to learn) so didn't have the patience to debug yet - I think I haven't even enabled experimental features, if that's still required. Anyway, you mentioned you'd be interested to see mine. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b6e34732/

22:33 <mvnx> I used the default River config from the main repo with your `dbus-update-activation-environment` line added.