18:54 <hewxle> names

19:51 <martian_> Hello again. I put a shell command at the end of river init that creates a background using swaybg. It works perfectly when I copy and paste it in terminal but for some reason I don't get background on startup. Even though putting shell commands at the end worked before (e.g. I put 'kanshi' in there)

20:00 <novakane> martian_: could you share your init?

20:28 <martian_> novakane: Sure, here it is: https://pastebin.com/PxZKPCva

20:28 <martian_> My additions are only at the beginning and end

20:30 <martian_> Also, am I correct to assume that I can speed up river startup by rewriting init in Rust/C? Or maybe even just use dash/mksh instead of bash

20:34 <gbrlsnchs> martian_: Isn't the call to kanshi blocking it? Run kanshi in the background with &, that might unblock it from reaching swaybg

20:34 <novakane> martian_: you need to add '&' at the end of shell command when you're launching a program or use riverctl spawn

20:35 <novakane> oops too slow :P

20:36 <novakane> and I'm not sure you would really gain some speed with an other language but I never tried, dash/mksh wouldn't really change anything I think

20:37 <gbrlsnchs> I personally just exec runsvdir and let runit take care of user daemons, it's a lot easier to manage them in general

20:37 <gbrlsnchs> for init I just use whatever is set for sh

20:43 <martian_> Thanks a lot for answers! Setting it up with daemons probably makes more sense but need to figure out how to make services out of binaries with systemd

21:26 <leon-p> I tried an init written in C on my laptop which has an ancient CPU and got no noticeable speed-up

21:27 <leon-p> using a service manager for daemons is orthogonal to that though and probably good idea

21:27 <leon-p> systemd user services are decent, I even have a timer for changing the wallpaper every five minutes

23:48 <NickH> leon-p: Might be worthwile putting that C init on the wiki.