00:00 <InPhase> JakeSays: We already have that with lexical scope from the top level of used files. Also, every function can have private values.

00:01 <InPhase> JakeSays: And well, all lexical module variables as well.

00:01 <InPhase> Those are private except to submodules and subfunctions.

00:06 <JakeSays> InPhase: not sure what you mean by top level of used files

00:08 <InPhase> Things not in a module or function.

00:08 <InPhase> In functions included with "use"

00:09 <JakeSays> InPhase: right i got that part. it's the use that confused me

00:10 <InPhase> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSCAD_User_Manual/The_OpenSCAD_Language#Use_and_Include

00:14 <JakeSays> hmm. i seem to recall issues with something like this: foo.scad: i=10; module foo() { sphere(i); }, main.scad: use <foo.scad>; foo();

00:15 <JakeSays> i vaguely recall something about i not being defined

00:18 <InPhase> Works fine.

00:19 <JakeSays> hmm. wonder that it was then. lol i probably spelled i wrong

00:21 <JakeSays> that's probably what it was. i have a nasty bug in my keyboard that will randomly drop one half of a keystroke

00:22 <Jack21> its when you try to use i in main and call  foo(i) in main that will fail

00:24 <InPhase> Yeah, that would fail by design.

00:25 <JakeSays> ah. that's what it was. i wanted to use constants from a use<>'d file

00:27 <JakeSays> i have to expose them as functions instead

09:28 <gbruno> [github] rewolff opened issue #3982 (Suggestion: F7 does "preferred export". ). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3982

12:38 <gyha> hello guys. i'm running into a problem when extruding a imported 2d vector file (.DXF): i'm able to perform boolean functions on it and i linear_extrude() it and it renders fine. but as soon as i only do as much as add another unrelated shape (e.g. a sphere) somewhere else: then preview still works ok, but render fails... :/

12:39 <gyha> ERROR: The given mesh is not closed! Unable to convert to CGAL_Nef_Polyhedron.

12:40 <gyha> when i import a .DXF with way easier geometry it works fine though. is there any way to validate the vector file before use in openscad?

12:48 <Jack21> sometimes it helps to render() in between - or use thrown together view ( https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSCAD_User_Manual/Primitive_Solids#Mis-ordered_faces )

12:54 <gyha> thanks i'll try that. regarding the thrown-together view: how do i just "compile"?

12:57 <Jack21> if your polygon is self intersecting you get problems if that 3D object should have additional operations - you can also check the rendered version with a program like meshmixer  or  some meshlab

12:59 <Jack21> just F5 preview  (without having show edges on)

13:06 <Jack21> http://acgessler.github.io/open3mod/   this is a lightweight  software do check models if you haven't any

13:07 <gyha> it's a 2d graphic though

13:08 <gyha> it's done using inkscape and i'm currently looking into ways to find (and fix) self intersections

13:18 <Jack21> you said you can extrude this - so render and save this to see what went wrong

13:19 <Jack21> i just had a case where the outside looked nice but inside was intersecting structures causing problems

13:20 <Holger22> Moin

13:23 <Holger22> I have the problem that sometime the preview does not work. Render shows the expected results, but preview is somehow zomm factor related wrong.

13:24 <Holger22> Any hints? (latest openscad, windows, latest graphics drivers, at least what I new).

13:27 <Jack21> use "view all"   i am not sure i understand your problem

13:30 <Jack21> in the status bar you see  the view rotation translation distance and field of view  ( $vpt $vpr $vpd and $vpf )  also maybe switch orthogonal view or perspective

13:31 <Holger22> https://ibb.co/TvXvnGN is an example. If I zoom out it suddenly is ok (but very small, so I would like to zoom more into it)

13:31 <teepee> Is there a difference of a huge object somewhere?

13:32 <teepee> preview in perspective mode has problems if the camera is inside such objects even if they don

13:32 <Jack21> maybe try  that cube symbol (orthografic view)

13:32 <teepee> 't show themself due to difference

13:35 <Holger22> teepee YES! I use some huge blocker cubes to only see/work/print the part I need.

13:36 <Jack21> using   view=1 ;  and if(view==1)cube();  etc .. may help to organize

13:42 <teepee> gyha: depending on the 2d shape adding a tiny offset can help cleaning up selfintersections: offset(0.001) import("file.svg");

13:44 <teepee> Holger22: if it's not possible to give a smaller estimation for that cube, maybe intersection could help as this covers the part to actually show

13:51 <teepee> or as Jack21 said, use some condition to switch. a slightly more elaborate version: https://pastebin.com/gFzrBC34

13:53 <Holger22> teepee how to use intersection? My "build code" is only "difference() { M11G95ME(); translate([40,40,0]) blocker(20,20); } "

13:54 <Jack21> teepee is it possible that "view edges" in thrown together  view is not working and also can't get anything with F11

13:54 <Holger22> if i put a intersection around that it does not help

13:54 <teepee> it would need a cube to intersect with the part you want to see instead of the part to hide

13:55 <teepee> I think for disabling whole modules the suggestion from Jack21 with using a conditional is much clearer

13:55 <Jack21> ( you can't limit the difference module with an intersection)

13:56 <Holger22> i need to understand intersection.... wait a minute, please

13:56 <teepee> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSCAD_User_Manual/CSG_Modelling#intersection

13:57 <Holger22> yeah, thanks, not that stupid. :-)

13:58 <Jack21> if using "true" and "false" you can use the customizer with checkboxes

13:59 <teepee> that works with numbers too :)

13:59 <Jack21> you can have a checkbox with numbers?

14:00 <teepee> show_part = 1; // [1:TOP, 2:BOTTOM]

14:01 <teepee> or just using the strings

14:03 <Holger22> teepee THANKS for the intersection. I totally missed that and it does exactly what I want. I can get rid of all the blocking code... now i'm a little less stupid.

14:05 <teepee> customizer version: https://pastebin.com/H0HANj11

14:05 <Jack21> teepee:  F11 is not working any idea why (also in other versions)

14:06 <teepee> no idea, maybe that combination was never implemented

14:06 <teepee> or maybe not easily possible as it just dumps everything on screen as the name implies

14:07 <Holger22> btw: I tried OpenSCAD-2021.10.19 and reverted back to OpenSCAD-2021.01 because .19 had a "chewy" usage feeling

14:08 <teepee> in what sense?

14:08 <teepee> note that is has some extra feature that could be enabled via Preferences->Features

14:08 <Holger22> just the feeling when switching windows or starting the program.

14:09 <teepee> hmm, that's odd, there's not much changes in that regard

14:09 <Holger22> .01 is instantly there, .19 takes "some time" to start or switch task (bring it back from background).

14:09 <teepee> I guess I need to get that build issue fixed, so we can get the latest builds for Windows

14:10 <Holger22> it is not huge, just chewy

14:12 <Jack21> teepee : working for others but i never got this https://www.openscad.info/index.php/2020/05/27/render-panel-window/

14:12 <gyha> regarding the thrown-together view in combination with my .DXF: i see specks of pink all around the lower edge of my extruded graphic. when i zoom in they move around. i wonder if that's just a displaying issue or if there's actually something wrong with my model...?

14:12 <gyha> see here: https://imgur.com/a/nTddJbm

14:14 <Jack21> gyha  there is no pink in your image

14:14 <Jack21> however maybe there are two objects on the same space and one has inverted face normals (pink) and you see Z- Fighting

14:22 <Jack21> teepee  that F11 issue had to do with the color scheme  after i switched back and forth it is now working  ( and it think i lost my colors i was familiar with)

14:26 <teepee> oh, hmm

14:33 <Jack21> and not working .. that is crazy   (but think i found my colors again)

14:34 <Jack21> and working again ..  wtf

14:37 <Jack21> Ok  it seems you need to have 2 Objects rendered to get wireframe view ..  a new window with one object doesn't  until i add a second object - then i can remove one and still working

14:37 <Jack21> no  you definately need 2 objects rendered

14:40 <Holger22> Oh, and might I suggest a editor feature (stolen from notepad++): when selecting a word, highlight all the same words with a slightly different color, too.

14:40 <Jack21> if you  "find" selected - it is doing that

14:42 <Jack21> select one and hit ctrl+f

14:42 <Holger22> I know. but the automatic is way more convienient.

14:44 <Jack21> i am not sure i would like that  - if you select a number or "union()"  you get a Chrismas tree

14:45 <Jack21> but Holger22:  you know you can use an external editor and only open the main window of oscad and it will refresh when the document changed

14:48 <Alicia> you will just need to enable Design->Automatic Reload and Preview for that

14:51 <Holger22> its the way most editors handle the highlighting nowadays. VS, VSC, notepad++. So "user expectation" might be on an automatic mode. just saying.

14:51 <Jack21> alicia  just was looking for it in settings and failed - Ü  thx

14:52 <Jack21> iirc oscad is scintilla based

15:01 <teepee> yes, specifically qscintilla

21:39 <gbruno> [github] ilya-pro opened issue #3983 (Error with Command Line .png export in a Docker container). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3983

22:16 <gbruno> [github] UBaer21 opened issue #3984 (Wireframe view F11 needs two objects). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3984

22:20 <gbruno> [github] UBaer21 edited issue #3984 (Wireframe view F11 needs two objects). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3984

23:57 <JakeSays> i have no sense of proportion. i built a light fixture that has 20 leds in it. the walls are 6mm thick. i'm pretty sure i could drive my truck over this thing and it wouldn't break