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<Guest59> Anyone know of a project that will allow me to intergrate a ETH/DOT wallet into openSCAD to make an NFT of my design/
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<peeps[win]> i hope not, NFTs are nonsense
<Guest59> Most of the Jpeg art sure I'll agree but to wash it all off as nonsense is a bit premature
<Guest59> As the world goes paperless you'll see them become more standardized across industries. Wills, marriage licenses, Even Government ID will eventually be migrated to something similar. It's already happening
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<teepee> what peeps[win] said
<teepee> it's especially nonsense for government ID
<teepee> or quoting twitter... "Out of curiosity I dug into how NFT's actually reference the media you're "buying" and my eyebrows are now orbiting the moon" :)
<Guest59> Owning my design via licenses sounds better than the current system of the company owning my designs. Not saying you have to charge for the licenses but getting credit on projects and trackable design references are an aspect I find interesting
<teepee> that's fine, maybe put the designs on MyMiniFactory or something
<Guest59> I'll have to look into that, thank you
<teepee> especially digital assets can be copied anyway, selling to multiple people for a sensible prices likely works better for normal people
<teepee> but of course as always, your work your choice
<Guest59> I don't mean charging a baziilion Eth for a design. Just a way to prove that I designed it. I'm a hydrodynamic/Hydrostatic engineer currently
<Guest59> We stand on the shoulders of giants, afterall
<teepee> wrong technology for that. PKI is how you could get authenticated
<teepee> NFTs are just a bad idea for pretty much all the use cases in media
<teepee> there might be valid use cases, selling art is not one of that
<teepee> what you "sell" is a hash, just a number.
<Guest59> I'll agree no contest on that
<teepee> the number points to a central database of a random company that may or may not exist next year
<teepee> that database may or may not point to some uploaded digital stuff that might be still there, or not
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<teepee> that's not a solution for anything, "owning" a number that points nowhere is not very useful
<Guest59> I don't necessarily agree to that. Your ID's are nothing more than a Number attached to you, validated by entities you have no control of either
<Guest59> The whole world is built on math, just because it's digital doesn't make it less real
<teepee> yes, the keyword is "trust"
<teepee> you are sort of forced implicitely to partially trust the government, even if you don't like that
<teepee> trusting random people on the internet is a different matter
<teepee> which is why you should also not just trust me but look for both sides of reporting on NFTs
<teepee> anyway
<teepee> OpenSCAD will not directly include any NFT support unless that ever gets out of the mostly scam phase :)
<teepee> it would still be possible to sell OpenSCAD designs as NFT, just as anything digital it seems
<teepee> I personally would point to more traditional market places selling 3d designs
<teepee> and with that, I'm off to bed, good night :)
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<Guest59> I'll read the article later today. Thank you. Although "the Verge: give me pause but I'll read just about anything as long as the argument is good
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<gbruno> [github] emard opened issue #3978 (default center=true). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3978
<gbruno> [github] emard edited issue #3978 (default center=true). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3978
<gbruno> [github] emard edited issue #3978 (default center=true). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3978
<gbruno> [github] t-paul closed issue #3978 (default center=true). https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3978
<Jack21> dead locked my OS with oscad - Ü
<teepee> :(
<Jack21> couldn't get a task mgr for 5 min
<Jack21> and new webpages didn't open
<Jack21> seems by a slight mistake i tried to create polyhedron with near infinite faces
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<Guest70> is it possible to open files in DXF?
<teepee> in general yes, but not all entities are supported
<Guest70> How to open?
<teepee> import("file.dxf");
<Guest70> I do not find the voice "import" in the menu
<Jack21> Guest70 you write that in the editor
<Jack21> or go into the win explorer und drag&drop that file in the editor window (should create the import line with correct path)
<teepee> Guest70: sounds like you may have some wrong expectations for OpenSCAD
<Jack21> teepee:  is there a value i can assign to seed in rands to get "no seed" again .. undef is not working
<teepee> not sure, probably not
<Jack21> well so i assign a rands as seed for rands - Ü
<teepee> yes, that's probably a safe option
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<teepee> Guest70: maybe check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzzFOU_Ggrs for a short video introduction
<othx> teepee linked to YouTube video "OpenSCAD: Introduction" => 1 IRC mentions
<teepee> Guest70: if you are looking for a traditional GUI / Mouse based CAD system, then FreeCAD might be a more fitting option
<teepee> oh, and if it's 2D only, LibreCAD
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<Jack21> so now there is an easteregg  adventure within my lib..  start with Example(name=!"test");
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* teepee can see lots of colored dots :)
<InPhase> Jack21: Sounds like your system is swapping to a magnetic disk?
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<InPhase> Jack21: Memory overuse will do that.
<InPhase> teepee: ? Was that your matrix connection that just got K-lined?
<teepee> yeah, looks like all matrix connections
<teepee> looks much more funny in #libera
<InPhase> Yeah, I just noticed the stream in the bigger channels I'm in. I happened to be staring here when it happened.
<Jack21> i only have SSDs
<InPhase> Oh. A little strange then for Windows to freeze up from memory hogging. But, Windows.
<Jack21> teepee:  you need to read the console window and follow the instructions - it is a full adventure
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<Jack21> with a non linear story
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<Scopeuk> InPhase in my experience windows is horrible if the workload is io bound
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<Scopeuk> I've seen machines with loads of spare memory and cpu grind to an useable halt because something is doing a silly number of disk io operations
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<InPhase> Scopeuk: Yeah, same.
<Jack21> maybe it was because a large rands array was created
<InPhase> I've sent Linux into a tailspin with magnetic disk loading, but never really since the ssd era, and that only ever uncomfortably slowed it. OOM killer generally takes care of it eventually anyway on its own.
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<InPhase> Fork-bombs can still be trouble though, but I'm pretty sure OpenSCAD is incapable of contributing to one of those.
<t-paul[m]> ping?
<othx> PONG!
<Jack21> answer from me  time  65481ms
<InPhase> botsnack!
<othx> YUM! This is why I love #openscad.
<InPhase> Looks like libera ops called the matrix ban "a lack of foresight in tooling". Happens. :)
<teepee> yeah: > (for clarification, all of matrix was accidentally k-lined, as it was placed on a /64 instead of a single IP)
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<peepsalot> InPhase: I remember when we were testing that leak issue, you made a test script that was so overkill it froze linux due to swap on an nvme drive. i think i had to power cycle, it was so bad
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<InPhase> peepsalot: Well that sounds like something I'd create. ;) But I didn't recall that being on nvme.
<peepsalot> but i think you mentioned not using swap at all, so OOM kill was instant for you...
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<peepsalot> i'm using 32GB physical RAM and 32GB swap
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<InPhase> I currently have 64GB physical and 64GB nvme swap. I don't recall if that test was before or after I switched to this computer.
<InPhase> I'm actually not too sure how the swap performs on this system, since I don't typically do anything insane enough to hit it.
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<Jack21> oscad can easy use over 20GB
<Jack21> reason why i added 16 to have 32 total
<Jack21> and the less you know the more RAM is wasted
<Alicia> minkowski()
<Jack21> in 3D my archenemy - Ü
<Jack21> and in 2D redundant
<InPhase> OpenSCAD is definitely the most memory consuming thing I do without using a computing cluster.
<Jack21> my browsers  use the other ⅓
<Jack21> seen the new prusa coreXY - some nice features
<InPhase> Jack21: Nice except for the price.
<InPhase> $2k for the base model, $2.5k for dual head.
<InPhase> Plus $500 to have it assembled, whereas other printers come assembled already at under the $500 mark.
<Jack21> i know iknow  but i take this more as feature suggestions for improving your own
<Jack21> it is funny that they have a lot of features which i already had planned on for my build
<Jack21> on the other hand a 36³ cm  build volume with rails etc.  can't be found under 1k in a shop
<InPhase> I do want something closer to rails for my next one.
<InPhase> I've been attracted to the designs that utilize aluminum extrusion as a rail guide.
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<Jack21> from a mechanical POV this is terrible as a V-slot roller (or W) is not a precision guide
<Jack21> same for D roller
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<Jack21> and an anodized surface is also not for a long term operation - however they are cheap and silent
<Jack21> but a steel rod with 6 adjustable ball bearings is superior
<Jack21> or 3 LMUU
<Jack21> initially my printer had 8 bearings - now 17
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