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<Wizzup> working on this battery I keep thinking I am making a comb
<Wizzup> s/comb/bomb/
<bencoh> :D
* Wizzup giving up
<Wizzup> this is too complicated for a simple sw person like me
<Wizzup> I tried making high res photos so it's actually visible what you're supposed to be
<Wizzup> but I can't the contacts of the new battery to solder to the eb41 pcb
<Wizzup> can't get
<freemangordon> why?
<Wizzup> good question
<bencoh> you mean ... "it doesn't stick"?
<Wizzup> yes
<freemangordon> do you use solder flux?
<moparisthebest> Lithium batteries are usually not meant to be soldered, but instead spot welded?
<Wizzup> I do have flux
<bencoh> it might be made of aluminium
<freemangordon> moparisthebest: it is the board, not the batter
<freemangordon> bencoh: wait, I already did that and no, iirc those are steel, not AL
<bencoh> ah
<freemangordon> Wizzup: so, the solder does not stick to the board or to the battery wires?
<Wizzup> wires mostly
<freemangordon> you shoudl use better flux and higher temperature
<Wizzup> but the pciture looks ok?
<Wizzup> I only have the very low res photos from tony here
<freemangordon> try with aspirin (keep away from the smoke)
<freemangordon> yes, picture is ok
<freemangordon> you have aspirin, right?
<Wizzup> I only have one soldering iron here, so I probably can't go higher temperature wise
<Wizzup> aspirin?
<freemangordon> acetisal
<Wizzup> what for?
<freemangordon> for flux ;)
<bencoh> for headaches I guess
<Wizzup> I have some flux from poland
<bencoh> :>
<Wizzup> topnik ag-5 soldering smd
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<freemangordon> seems too weak for me
<Wizzup> ok
<Wizzup> well, I'm going to give up for now then
<Wizzup> I need to leave in ~2 days and I don't have the right tools then
<freemangordon> try with acetysal as flux, I am not kidding
<Wizzup> maybe in 1-2 months :)
<freemangordon> hmm?
<freemangordon> "acetylsalicylic acid" you should have it around
<freemangordon> ok, as you wish :)
<Wizzup> I'll check tonight, but I have to travel for 4 weeks soon
<freemangordon> ok
<Wizzup> and I am not sure if I want to carry a bomb in my pocket in the philippines
<freemangordon> heh
<Wizzup> given the humidity and heat there
<Wizzup> it's truly a shame that polarcell doesn't make d4 batteries :D
<bencoh> yeah
<Wizzup> maybe if we order 50 or so they would be willing to put d4 pcbs om the e960 pcbs or so, idk
<Wizzup> I guess they'd have to make the pcbs
<bencoh> we'd probably need to order more than 50
<Wizzup> probably
* Wizzup is frustrated
<Wizzup> I just want to use my d4 for a while effectively :D
<Wizzup> all these depleted 500mWh batteries are useless
<bencoh> yeah, those eb41 are just ... not really usable
* sicelo thinks Wizzup is a boring person ... carrying a bomb around is fun [< Wizzup> and I am not sure if I want to carry a bomb in my pocket in the philippines]
<Wizzup> I guess there are potentially 'new' replacements
<bencoh> Wizzup: I guess those aren't produced anymore, so any "new" battery would still be years old ....
<Wizzup> I did email polarcell btw
<bencoh> :)
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<uvos> Wizzup: yeah you did it wrong
<uvos> has nothing to do with flux
<uvos> altho specialty flux can get you out of this hole
<uvos> the e960 had nickle strips spot welded to the alu tabs, those where soldered to the bms
<uvos> you can solder thos off the bms and put it on the eb41bms
<uvos> but it looks like you ripped them off instead, so now you cant solder the tabs anymore with regular rosin flux
<uvos> you can now use acid flux to solder directly to the battery tabbs
<uvos> but i would not recommend it
<uvos> at this point i would only feal comfortable spot welding new nickle strips onto the tabs
<bencoh> I didn't think this was a thing
<uvos> that looks pretty terrible
<bencoh> uh :]
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<Wizzup> uvos: ok, thx, I thought so
<Wizzup> it wasn't very visible on tony's photos
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<arno11> Wizzup: freemangordon: overclock (boost) + irtx patch + tweaking chrt priorities for calls make things working pretty well on N900 :)
<sicelo> arno11: nice! now it's time to make this work ootb, without needing user to fiddle with anything
<arno11> agree x10
<sicelo> my droid 4 is back, finally.
<Wizzup> uvos: yeah I wasn't sure if I were supposed to keep them or not
<Wizzup> well I guess I have another e960 so I could try..
<uvos> Wizzup: well get cracking then
<uvos> :P
<uvos> sicelo: where did it go?
<sicelo> mmm, what's the schedule for building device images? looks like last image is from Sept 3?
<sicelo> uvos: i had to lend my mom, because she had an unexpected phone 'emergency' for a couple of months
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<uvos> sicelo: 1w
<uvos> sicelo: ci is probubly out of disk space again
<uvos> Wizzup: ^^^^^^^^
<sicelo> means images aren't building again then
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<uvos> Wizzup: can we manage this differently somehow, maybe setup email alerts on jenkins?
<uvos> this keeps on breaking and we dont notice
<sicelo> we could/should consider purging older images too. e.g. pmos only keeps last three images per device. we have less devices, true, but we probably don't need to keep images indefinitely
<Wizzup> uvos: I'm afraid I'll just break the third one too
<Wizzup> I don't even have all the right tape here or hotglue (freshly moved a few months ago)
<Wizzup> will look at ci
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<sicelo> if you have enough of the 'shiny' metal from the old battery, normal solder will work
<Wizzup> let me share some photos, sec
<Wizzup> so I had this on the first e960: https://wizzup.org/IMG_0760.JPG
<Wizzup> but then I touched it with some tweezers and the metal clips literally fired up a bit and now there are small mushrooms on it
<Wizzup> (yeah.)
<Wizzup> by shiny metal, do you mean this ? https://wizzup.org/IMG_0763.JPG
<uvos> are you shure its the battery that has had small mushrooms?
<uvos> so the picture of e960 looks correct, you want to keep the part thats spotwelded onto the tabs
<uvos> unless you are spotwelding yourself as i did
<uvos> the eb41 part you want to desolder the nickel strips to expose the bare pads underneth
<uvos> main point: no ripping or tearing of anything is required
<uvos> only heating stuff up, no force required
<Wizzup> not the battery, but the contacts, sec
<Wizzup> I'll make a photo, sec
<Wizzup> not the battery itself
<Wizzup> uvos: ^^
<uvos> hmm
<uvos> thats pretty wierd, looks like and oxide, but nickle oxide is green
<freemangordon> looks like something has leaked from the battery
<freemangordon> in any case does not look healthy :)
<sicelo> mmm, that's from the original battery?
<Wizzup> uvos: yeah not sure, the clips were a bit hot and then I just touched them with tweezers
<Wizzup> it gave me a small (mental) shock :D
<Wizzup> sicelo: no, e960
<Wizzup> freemangordon: this happened when I touched it with tweezers
<Wizzup> but this was the first one
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<maxwelld> Wizzup, you can just carry a portable battery around. I do for d4 and pinephone.
<maxwelld> i charge them when necessary
<Wizzup> sure I can, but that's not what I want
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<uvos> i recommend allways carrying a RTG arround to power your leste device
<maxwelld> > sure I can, but that's not what I want
<maxwelld> though i really really really love using old devices with modern software, and that's what i myself do, i am afraid i need to understand that we cannot keep using old devices always.
<maxwelld> leste needs to work well on newer devices.
<uvos> sure, but afaik the droid 4 and its siblings are still really the most modern devices that have its level the 2 factors i find most important in a linux phone: 1. hardware enablement in the mainline kernel 2. working high quality power management
<uvos> unfortinatly its a bit hard to keep up with the state of every other deivce, but afaik still nothing matches the mapphones.
<uvos> also hardware keyboard is nice, but i could maybe do without
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<Wizzup> lol @ RTG
<Wizzup> I had to look that up