11:50 <norayr> is someone who dealt with keyboard here and free? i don't know, probably freemangordon, or uvos. i have the issue on github and video that illustrates the issue.

11:50 <norayr> rafael2k: you must encounter this too, with your pp.

11:50 <norayr> without hw kbd onscreen kbd is unusable with non hildonized apps.

11:51 <norayr> enter does not work in any non-hildonized app. stopped working. it was working before.

11:51 <norayr> rafael2k: this is on droid4, but same with pp: https://toobnix.org/w/dhb9VMzyGASkiYxmeoYB7G

11:52 <norayr> i don't understand how core devs can be so indifferent to such an important issue, when the keyboard is not working.

11:52 <norayr> i understand that they use d4 with hwkbd, but i guess they want maemo to be usable without hwkbd as well, right?

12:26 <sicelo> what does the video show? (didn't watch)

12:46 <norayr> it shows that onscreen keyboard is not able to send 'enter' to gedit.

12:46 <norayr> gedit is an example - any non-hildonized app doesn't get the enter. though it gets other keys.

13:12 <Wizzup> norayr: not sure why you say 'indifferent'...

13:13 <Wizzup> I think it's likely in fmg's court

13:14 <norayr> thank you. i think this happened after fmg's toolkit hildonization work recently.

13:14 <norayr> but i am not sure.

13:21 <Wizzup> I don't have time this week, but bisect would help a lot

15:10 <rafael2k> norayr, hey

15:10 <rafael2k> I'm with the keyboard

15:29 <rafael2k> I have a very annoying behavior, the volume key is showing me the app tab, instead of just changing the volume

15:33 <Wizzup> do you mean the power menu, or?

15:35 <rafael2k> what is that screen that shows the apps side by side

15:36 <rafael2k> volume down triggers maemo screen switch

15:36 <rafael2k> but this does not make sense, if the volume key... is the volume key

15:36 <humpelstilzchen[> volume up also

15:40 <rafael2k> yeap

15:40 <rafael2k> anyone remembers that file with the settings of these keys?

15:40 <rafael2k> something.ini

15:44 <humpelstilzchen[> you are not talking about mci.ini I assume? I don not see any volume config in it

16:12 <rafael2k> which is its path?

16:13 <rafael2k> no, not this one

16:16 <rafael2k> LeftButton=XF86AudioLowerVolume

16:16 <rafael2k> [Shortcuts]

16:16 <rafael2k> RaiseVkb=XF86AudioRaiseVolume

16:16 <rafael2k> /usr/share/hildon-desktop/shortcuts.ini

16:20 <rafael2k> commenting thouse lines fixes

16:20 <rafael2k> fixed

16:20 <rafael2k> : )

16:21 <rafael2k> leste-config-pinephone

16:31 <Wizzup> weird, I wonder how that worked, does the pinephone keyboard mess with the key map of the buttons?

17:20 <sicelo> Wizzup: no, it doesn't

17:23 <Wizzup> sicelo: because it worked on the pp last week or so irc

17:23 <Wizzup> iirc

17:23 <sicelo> it was set that way by leste choice, https://github.com/maemo-leste/leste-config/blob/master/leste-config-pinephone/usr/share/hildon-desktop/shortcuts.ini.leste

17:42 <Wizzup> but this is weird then, no:

17:42 <Wizzup> 17:16 < rafael2k> [Shortcuts]

17:43 <Wizzup> 17:16 < rafael2k> LeftButton=XF86AudioLowerVolume

17:43 <Wizzup> 17:16 < rafael2k> RaiseVkb=XF86AudioRaiseVolume

17:43 <Wizzup> 17:16 < rafael2k> /usr/share/hildon-desktop/shortcuts.ini

17:43 <Wizzup> 17:20 < rafael2k> commenting thouse lines fixes

17:43 <sicelo> no, it makes sense, at least to me

17:43 <Wizzup> hmm, ok, I see

17:44 <Wizzup> sorry

17:44 <sicelo> basically, rafael doesn't want/need volume buttons to act as leftbutton or raise vkb

17:44 <sicelo> ah,cool :-)

17:53 <humpelstilzchen[> rafael2k: thx for the tip

17:57 <maemish_> Is there a way to get localisation and keyboard layout to be recognized by xterm and apps on Leste? Changing the layout and localistion on settings to finnish doesn't affect on writing.

18:10 <maemish_> I have started to think my questions do not actually belong this place so I will not bother with them you guys. You have enough to do. I will stay just as a student here learning. But I will offer my expertize for Leste team: if you make instructions for things concerning Leste, like if you would make a guide for getting swap on emmc or guides for overclocking etc. throw them to me before publishing. Linux user over 10 years

18:10 <maemish_> and N900 user since 2018 yet I can make tou gasp how noob I can be without any knowledge. So I can test all instructions are they idiot proof and ask more details on them, evwn write them for a noob if I first get them working.

18:21 <sicelo> maemish_: please feel free to ask questions here. you are not bothering

18:22 <sicelo> it's just that ... sometimes people do get busier than usual

18:24 <sicelo> or, someone might be around who doesn't know the answer to your question - e.g. i don't know much/anything about localization (because in my part of the world, we just know and accept computers to be 'English'). never thought to remap key layout on my pc or N900

18:31 <Wizzup> yeah, in my case it's a matter of really busy basically since fosdem

18:31 <Wizzup> but should be good again soon

18:43 <peetah> maemish_: concerning the keyboard layout issue, there seems to be a problem with how maemo handle it. For now you are required to run 'setxkbmap -model nokiarx51 -layout <your_layout>' in a terminal in order to have it fixed for the session. But it does not make it permanent and must be done after each reboot

18:51 <peetah> *maemo-leste

19:36 <sicelo> Wizzup: any idea how far rafael (or someone else) got with keymap for pinephone keyboard? https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1575109&postcount=26

19:37 <Wizzup> rafael mailed me to import the files

19:37 <Wizzup> yesterday

19:38 <Wizzup> created it now

19:38 <uvos> norayr: that app IS hildonized with regards to him

19:38 <uvos> seams like the new gtk3 backend has broken enter

19:38 <uvos> at least some times

19:39 <uvos> presumably enter still works if you raise the vkb via search on a qt application or maybe xterm or so

19:40 <uvos> (ie something not gtk3)

19:40 <uvos> or gtk2

19:40 <Wizzup> yes, I think he said that

19:40 <uvos> ok

19:40 <Wizzup> (that the x11 one works)

19:40 <Wizzup> IIRC at least

19:40 <uvos> in the video it dosent

19:40 <uvos> but thats not supriseing

19:40 <uvos> since haveing a application with a him context open changes alot of stuff

19:40 <uvos> and clearly the gtk3 backend breaks enter in its context

19:41 <uvos> bisect really isent usefull here

19:41 <uvos> it will just show that the first commit with gtk3 support breaks it

19:41 <uvos> very likely

19:42 <uvos> yeah now that we have volume support

19:42 <uvos> we need to remove the raise vkb bindings in h-d on pp

19:42 <uvos> this was just a temporary thing while volume dident work anyhow

19:42 <uvos> a new way to raise the vkb is needed now

19:43 <uvos> @rafael2k

19:43 <Wizzup> uvos: yes, you're right, regarding bisect

19:44 <uvos> rafael2k: what broke here is that the volume applet is now installed, and it dose xgrabkey on the vol buttons

19:44 <uvos> or wants to anyhow

19:46 <Wizzup> yes, I fixed the applet to work on pp explicitly for him :)

19:46 <uvos> i know

19:46 <uvos> so now the shortcuts need to be removed

19:47 <uvos> https://github.com/maemo-leste/leste-config/blob/master/leste-config-pinephone/usr/share/hildon-desktop/shortcuts.ini.leste

19:47 <uvos> ie just delete this file