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<joerg> lagrange? :-o my server name
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: I think modest deserves news update :)
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<sicelo> agreed @ modest news update ;)
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<Wizzup> freemangordon: yes
<Wizzup> freemangordon: I want it done this week, but I have to fix some icd2 wireguard/tor bugs still
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<lel> MerlijnWajer opened an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/574 (osso-product-info is missing)
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<Wizzup> there will be interruption today on leste.maemo.org and phoenix.maemo.org
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<Wizzup> freemangordon: does automated refresh work for you in modest?
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<Wizzup> freemangordon: tweeted about it https://twitter.com/maemoleste/status/1443180939144740868
<bencoh> nice :)
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<uvos> osso-product-info looks absolutly not usefull as is anyways
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<uvos> looks like just a static hard coded list of devices
<uvos> that dosent scale an inch
<uvos> and should probubly be just removed in whatever app links to it
<Wizzup> it's a control panel applet
<Wizzup> nothing links to it
<uvos> dosent look like a cp applet to me
<Wizzup> hm, something is
<Wizzup> maybe the cpa uses it
<uvos> i mean look at it
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<mighty17[m]> tmlind: i dunno what you are doing but i still get `(phoc:1795): phoc-wlroots-CRITICAL **: 18:02:19.436: [GLES2] OpenGLES 2.0 API generated error code 0x500(GL_INVALID_ENUM)` with yout kerne;
<mighty17[m]> kernel*
<mighty17[m]> could you tell what cmds you have used for wlroots?
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: seems auto-refresh does not work
<freemangordon> will look at it
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: maybe set "update via" to "any connection"
<Wizzup> did that, let's see
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: but, you have to have connection, in VM I had to connect "dummy network" so auto-refresh to start
<Wizzup> freemangordon: I am on wifi
<freemangordon> keep in mind modest use libalarm for auto-refresh
<freemangordon> and it sets the alarm ALARM_EVENT_CONNECTED flag
<freemangordon> there is a nice explanation in modest_platform_set_update_interval
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<Wizzup> I think it auto updates now
<Wizzup> so probably the 'any'
<freemangordon> lemme check how it identifies wifi
<Wizzup> can anyone try this /etc/hosts
<Wizzup> 95.217.97.175 leste.maemo.org
<Wizzup> 95.217.97.175 phoenix.maemo.org
<Wizzup> try https or so
<freemangordon> sec
<Wizzup> we switched dns
<Wizzup> it'll take some time to propagate
<parazyd> Propagated here
<freemangordon> looks like it works
<Wizzup> sweet
<Wizzup> wireguard tunneled from finland to my home
<Wizzup> *shrug*
<freemangordon> Wizzup: modest uses conic to check the connection type
<Wizzup> builds should work again too
<Wizzup> freemangordon: ok, that -should- work
<freemangordon> mhm
<freemangordon> it checks for CON_IC_BEARER_WLAN_INFRA or CON_IC_BEARER_WLAN_ADHOC
<freemangordon> this should be fine, so I wonder why it does not auto-update for you
<Wizzup> WLAN_INFRA should be there yeah
<Wizzup> freemangordon: it is now, on any
<Wizzup> I can change ity back and see
<Wizzup> btw, did you see the one bug I found?
<freemangordon> which one?
<Wizzup> I cannot type port numbers in the account settings
<Wizzup> I had to copy-paste it from terminal
<Wizzup> this is on d4, though
* freemangordon checks
<freemangordon> which port exactly?
<Wizzup> I can't type any port in imap or smtp port
<Wizzup> where it would say 25, 465, etc
<bencoh> Wizzup: it might be similar to how numbers work in the phone app
<Wizzup> yes, there are special entries in gtk
<Wizzup> but that would mean that that is broken on the d4 keyboard in general :p
<freemangordon> Wizzup: seems like a bug in HIM
<bencoh> you can't type using the Sym keys in those fields
<Wizzup> freemangordon: ok, for later then
<Wizzup> I expected as much
<freemangordon> it has "numbers" button pressed, but the keyboard draw is alpha
<bencoh> Wizzup: have you tried with the qwertyuiop?
<Wizzup> bencoh: it should not work, we made a xkb map for it
<Wizzup> but I can try
<freemangordon> if you press 'numbers' buttons twice in virtual kbd it should be fine
<Wizzup> bencoh: no key works
<freemangordon> hmm, typing numbers from HW kbd works
<Wizzup> yeah
<Wizzup> if I do this it works:
<Wizzup> [OK] number
<Wizzup> OK is the sym key on the d4 I think
<Wizzup> in any case, I have some other migration to do, bbiab
<freemangordon> ok
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<bencoh> freemangordon: wait, why twice?
<Wizzup> sticky I guess
<Wizzup> (but twice doesn't work for me)
<bencoh> vkbd has sticky behavior?
<Wizzup> I wasn't using vkbd
<bencoh> right, but fmg mentioned vkbd
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<uvos> what input field are we talking here?
<uvos> freemangordon
<uvos> is there somewhere in current leste i can repoduce
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<freemangordon> uvos: try to change port in modest account
<kona> freemangordon: modest-providers still needed?
<kona> if so, will start today.
<freemangordon> yes, still needed
<kona> great, thanks!
<freemangordon> upstream libnotify requires this
<freemangordon> I guess the answer is yes, but shall I fix that?
<freemangordon> hmm, have to reboot, brb
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<Wizzup> freemangordon: requires how?
<Wizzup> for normal libnotify to work, you mean?
<bencoh> this would explain why libnotify didn't work for me with pidgin
<bencoh> (maybe)
<freemangordon> libnotify does not work, basically
<freemangordon> I wonder why nokia did it like that
<uvos> because the interface is far from compleate and thus this is a hack to avoid broken behvior?
<uvos> just a gues
<freemangordon> could be, lets fix that and will see what else needs to be fixed
<bencoh> it does work on fremantle, but ... yeah
<freemangordon> I wonder what spec version shall I return
<bencoh> shouldn't we just forward port fremantle's libnotify?
<freemangordon> but why given we have an upstream one?
<freemangordon> I'd rather fix hildon-home to follow the specs
<bencoh> because iirc nokia patched it (?)
<freemangordon> ok, lemme check how it patched it
<bencoh> (I might be wrong as well, I haven't had a look at fremantle code for some time)
<freemangordon> it seems to be upstream 0.4.4-2
<tmlind> mighty17[m]: i don't have any special wlroots build options, i just picked what alpine has for wlroots but install to /usr/local
<freemangordon> bencoh: it just seems to me that fremantle one does not call GetServerInformation unless asked
<freemangordon> while current upstream calls it when trying to add new notification. And fails
<bencoh> hmm
<bencoh> then hildon-desktop / whatever just need to implement whatever is needed to make GetServerInformation happy?
<freemangordon> mhm
<freemangordon> but, I want to return sane value there
<freemangordon> help appreciated
<freemangordon> hmm, I think 0.9 is ok
<freemangordon> we may want to implement newer specification some day
<freemangordon> that's better:
<freemangordon> user@devuan:~/maemo/tmp/libnotify-0.7.7/tests$ run-standalone.sh ./test-server-info
<freemangordon> Vendor: Nokia
<freemangordon> Spec Version: 0.9
<freemangordon> Name: Hildon Desktop Notification Manager
<freemangordon> Version: 0.3.69
<freemangordon> body
<freemangordon> Capabilities:
<freemangordon> body-markup
<freemangordon> icon-static
<bencoh> where did you get the 0.9 from?
<freemangordon> it was commented there
<mighty17[m]> tmlind: and which branch?
<freemangordon> ok, implementing latest specification is really a sweet task, I may take on it someday
<bencoh> freemangordon: did you try displaying a notification dialog with that?
<freemangordon> mhm
<freemangordon> it works
<bencoh> oh, neat :)
<freemangordon> now waiting to see if modest will be able to notify for a new email
<bencoh> so do you just need to patch that .xml file?
<freemangordon> no
<freemangordon> the code too
<bencoh> ah
<freemangordon> will see the patch in few minutes
<freemangordon> yep, modest shows notifications now, going to push that :)
<bencoh> yay
<Wizzup> let's see if CI still works :p
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<freemangordon> hmm, clicking on it does nothing :(
<freemangordon> but still
<tmlind> mighty17[m]: i'm using wlroots and sway with droid4-pending-pvr-omapdrm-v5.15
<tmlind> mighty17[m]: try first with wlroots and sway, i have not seen that problem
<mighty17[m]> tmlind i already have phosh installed with 5.15 branch
<mighty17[m]> and i think the issue is it is trying to use x instead or wayland
<mighty17[m]> idk why
<kona> ok, i just installed modest, et. al. from jenkins and i take back all my questions about whether we need it.
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<kona> ok, i just installed modest from the jenkins artifacts and i take back all my questions about whether we need it.
<kona> and now i pose new questions about why weechat seemed to eat the message the first time.
<mighty17[m]> tmlind: https://paste.debian.net/1213744/ heres my log
<Wizzup> kona: as in, you like modest?
<freemangordon> :D
<kona> i liked it before, but it seemed like claws and or sylpheed and or trojita kinda had that space mostly covered.
<kona> but no, this is much better.
<bencoh> :)
<freemangordon> :nod:
<Wizzup> yeah modest does still need gnupg and stuff but that's for later
<Wizzup> this is already neat
<freemangordon> I guess it will need oauth too
<freemangordon> BTW, we'll have to find oauth2 lib to use when it comes to it
<Wizzup> I have never used oauth for email
* Wizzup bbiab
<Wizzup> for me, I want to finish icd stuff, then do news post, then back to audio, the ofono/icd
<Wizzup> s/the ofono/then ofono/
<freemangordon> sure
<freemangordon> and I am back to abook, modest still lacks contacts
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<freemangordon> and now the number of emails in tklock gets updated too :)
<freemangordon> seems there is a bug in hildon-desktop tasknav, I can close the notification, but I cannot activate it
<tmlind> mighty17[m]: wlroots around 0.14 changed to use WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-1 instead of 0, maybe that's causing it
<mighty17[m]> ah right, that may be it
<mighty17[m]> tmlind: can the link the commit?
<uvos> should not be a problem
<uvos> just change the envvar
<uvos> why do you want a commit
<mighty17[m]> ah right, i'll try that
<uvos> but that should not cause your error anyhow
<uvos> your error is while starting the wayland comp.
<uvos> the envvar dosent matter if the comp hasent started
<mighty17[m]> mhm, fair point
<mighty17[m]> but we still cannot find the reason why comp fails to start
<kona> Wizzup: freemangordon: have you been able to send a mail with modest?
<Wizzup> yes
<kona> ok, so probably pebkac then
<kona> out of curiousity, did you use the amd64 build or the arm build?
<kona> (armhf? aarch64?)
<Wizzup> armhf
<Wizzup> I can try it again later today
<Wizzup> what problems are you seeing
<kona> i'll try it on my 900.
<kona> so far, what i see is a pretty immediate failure on send in modest, and no connection logs on my postfix server
<kona> receiving from dovecot seems to work great, haven't tried any imap folder ops yet
<Wizzup> what does it say?
<kona> "Unable to send" is the current error.
<Wizzup> is the smtp setup correct?
<Wizzup> the ssl vs tls can be confusing
<Wizzup> tls I think often means starttls, whereas ssl means ssl and tls
<kona> hmm.
<kona> ok, so i need starttls
<uvos> starttls is probubly a bad idea
<uvos> btw
<kona> and for secure auth, it should be LOGIN, i guess.
<uvos> (just a side note)
<kona> yeah, starttls is not great but i need to reconfigure my postfix i think.
<Wizzup> uvos: freemangordon: I see the notification of the email in the lock screen and also it vibrated ;-)
<Wizzup> uvos: what is wrong with starttls, jw
<uvos> and adversity can just make it fail
<uvos> *an
<Wizzup> uvos: yeah, but not hijack
<uvos> and then you have unencrypted email
<Wizzup> uh
<Wizzup> I don't think most implementations allow not going for tls
<uvos> yeah depends on server config
<kona> some clients will fallback silently to unencrypted
<Wizzup> ok, never heard of that happening
<Wizzup> thx for explaining
<kona> trojita had a couple of cve's about this IIRC
<Wizzup> I look forward to the moment when we have to worry about those things over features :p
<Wizzup> (well, we worry about that stuff too now, but less so.)
<kona> or over basic screen drawing on the pine64 :)
<uvos> the real soulution is the server just not accepting unencypted sessions after starttls fails
<uvos> but unless you run your own server
<uvos> i would not rely on that
<kona> ^^^
<uvos> so just use ssl/tls
<freemangordon> kona: amd64 and yes, I am able to send using gmail
<mighty17[m]> uugh, i found out whats the issue, so i have 2 wlroots packages, one normal and one patched, and somehow it always uses the normal one unless i build same version of patched
<mighty17[m]> tmlind: could you get the patches upstreamed?
<mighty17[m]> i cannot remove normal wlroots as phosh depends on it
<freemangordon> hmm, unable to click on notification is not hildon-desktop issue
<freemangordon> it correctly sends fake ButtonPress event to hildon-home
<freemangordon> but, for some reason gtk does not call button_press_event GtkWidgetClass member
<tmlind> mighty17[m]: there are few issues remaining before upstreaming the wlroots can be considered, mostly the wlroots folks do not want workarounds in their tree but want issues to be fixed in mesa instead
<tmlind> mighty17[m]: uninstall also phosh and build it yourself too
<mighty17[m]> tmlind: i dont want to wake up all night compiling phosh lmao
<mighty17[m]> tmlind: fixes in mesa? lmao there is no pwr in mesa, why would they accept patches for it
<tmlind> mighty17[m]: well even if it never gets upstreamed, there's no point implementing workarounds in wlroots for things that mesa can handle
<Wizzup> agreed
<tmlind> you know stanard stuff
<tmlind> standard
<tmlind> so for example, from what i understand, the graphics folks want to only use the /dev/dri render node(s) and not tinker with the master interface
<tmlind> currently the pvr blobs freak out if wlroots tries to allocate using the render nodes
<tmlind> so the patch i did for wlroots to go back to opening the master node is wrong based on what i chatted with the wlroots folks
<mighty17[m]> so well we carry patches then?
<mighty17[m]> and build on cortex a9s?
<tmlind> yeah no other option really right now
<mighty17[m]> :(
<tmlind> if the whole pvr was open source, it would be a different story naturally
<tmlind> but nobody wants to carry closed source binary blob workarounds in their trees
<Wizzup> freemangordon: ah, so modest doesn't auto update all folders right? (that's a good thing for me)
<Wizzup> seems like it is an option
<mighty17[m]> tmlind: they are right in their spot anyways, pvr being closed source is such a hassle
<mighty17[m]> it crashes (hw crash) when i do stuff too quickly as well
<Wizzup> freemangordon: just found this btw, https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/tinymail
<tmlind> yeah it's been a major hassle for sure, not crashing for me btw
<tmlind> i see occasional missed refresh on the left hand side, that was there too with the ddk-1.9 blobs too
<tmlind> maybe it's a kernel driver problem
<mighty17[m]> never had missed refresh issues
<mighty17[m]> crashes are pretty common tho
<uvos> you dont have occasional artifacting?
<uvos> where parts of the display fail to update? try the mesa tri example
<uvos> or hildon
<mighty17[m]> actually no, i dont seem to be facing atricating
<mighty17[m]> artifacting*
<tmlind> in the wlroots sources, there's an interesting minimal window manager example called tinywl btw
<uvos> mighty17[m]: look at what happens when i tab into the freecell window
<uvos> you have never seen that sort of thing before
<mighty17[m]> indeed i noticed that as well!
<mighty17[m]> that being tinywl*
<tmlind> it's currently less than 1000 lines of code :)
<mighty17[m]> but will it work with pvr :P
<mighty17[m]> uvos: i dont seem to, but rn dont have the tab, will provide you with a vid on phosh tomorrow if thats okay
<tmlind> yeah works fine the last time i tried, at least with the keyboard
<uvos> ok would be very wierd if it dosent appear on your device
<uvos> since it happens on d4 even over hdmi
<uvos> do you have a video mode display?
<kona> freemangordon: good to know, that means i can just figure out why modest and my mail server don't talk and probably learn something :)
<mighty17[m]> tmlind: also another question how do you tackle poweroff on twl6030/6032, the poweroff driver doesnt seem to be in mainline
<mighty17[m]> uvos: wdym by video mode display?
<tmlind> mighty17[m]: sounds like you need to upstream it then :)
<uvos> ie not a self refreshing display
<mighty17[m]> well i have much more issues to tackle, like backlight flickering at low brightness (pwm) and display going wack at 60hz :P
<mighty17[m]> uvos: self refresh existed in 2012? :P
<uvos> yeah was very common even
<uvos> d4 is effectively 0-60 vrr
<mighty17[m]> mine is locked at 29.999 due to me fixing the pixel clock
<mighty17[m]> at 60fps it looks like this
<buZz> mighty17[m]: is the flicker also there without charger connected?
<uvos> that looks interesting
<uvos> did you dump the dss regisers in android and compear
<tmlind> maybe the dsi interface line order is wrong in the dts?
<tmlind> or for dpi or whatever the panel interface is on that one
<tmlind> so just in case anybody has ideas where to fix this issue..
<tmlind> weston-simple-dmabuf-egl --drm-render-node=/dev/dri/card0 works with current wlroots
<tmlind> if fails without options when it tries to use /dev/dri/render128 node
<tmlind> once that issue is sorted out, i don't see serious issues upstreaming the wlroots changes
<tmlind> sorry i mean it does not work without options when using /dev/dri/renderD128 node, not render128 node
<tmlind> unless DRM_NODE_PRIMARY is used, the pvr blobs produce these errors:
<tmlind> PVR:(Error): PVRDisplayBufferCreate: Failed to create display buffer (err=13) [0, ]
<tmlind> PVR:(Error): PVRDRIPlaneCreate: Failed to create share/scanout/cursor buffer [0, ]
<tmlind> PVR:(Error): PVRDRIBufferCreate: Failed to create plane [0, ]
<tmlind> CreateImageShared: Failed to create buffer
<freemangordon> hmm, it seems upstream gdk 2.0 ignores ButtonPress event if there is no EnterNotify for the same window before that
<uvos> that makes sense
<Wizzup> I don't think it should
<Wizzup> wonder what the rationale for that is
<uvos> avoid directed synthetic events
<freemangordon> why?
<freemangordon> how helpful is that?
<uvos> its a security mesure
<freemangordon> yeah, right
<uvos> you avoid another application sending the app input without it being visable
<uvos> otherwise the other applicaiton could open the victom app
<uvos> and move it to -1000 -1000
<uvos> and interact with it
<uvos> without the user seing it
<freemangordon> so, what stops the other application to send EnterNotify first?
<uvos> i dont think you can
<freemangordon> hmm, why?
<uvos> you cant send all events some are reserved for the server
<uvos> idk if this is one tho
<uvos> if not yeah idk
<uvos> unless it also needs to get focus in
<uvos> then it makes sense again
<uvos> since the user would notice the focus change i assume
<freemangordon> e.xcrossing.focus = False;
<Wizzup> applications can make cursors
<Wizzup> and focus them that way
<uvos> not when gtk2 was written no
<uvos> anyhow where is this a problem?
<Wizzup> clicking the notification doesn't work
<Wizzup> since the press event does not fire in the window expose
<uvos> what notification?
<Wizzup> in this case, modest
<uvos> the notification window
<uvos> ?
<Wizzup> yes, the one that is on top of the window
<uvos> why would the notification window not get enternotify when you touch it?
<freemangordon> because it is actually drawn by tasknav
<freemangordon> and it sends syntetic ButtonPress event
<uvos> ugh ok
<uvos> kludgy
<freemangordon> uvos: hildon-home creates a fully transparent window for the prurpose of IPC
<freemangordon> and passes its xid to hildon-desktop
<freemangordon> so when user clicks on the notification, tis xid gets ButtoPress event
<freemangordon> now I will teach hildon-desktop to send EnterNotify, but this is plain stupd
<freemangordon> I mean - gtk behaviour
<uvos> and what xwindow dose the synthetic event get sent to?
<uvos> the notification should really just own its own window the abvoe solution sounds like a bad kludge. or even better just use the xdg notification interface for when its clicked
<freemangordon> you need to have a look at the code to get it
<freemangordon> the "notification" is drawn by tasknav
<uvos> right
<freemangordon> it is an clutter actor in h-d
<uvos> and then you get xevents for interaction
<freemangordon> the real notification is created by hildon-home process
<freemangordon> so h-d have to inform h-h that notification was clicked
<freemangordon> anyway
<uvos> thats a kludge, no if and ors about it if h-d wants to render the notficiation it needs to use the xdg notification interaction interface that was created for this very purpose
<uvos> instead of hacking around with synthetic x events
<uvos> but ok
<uvos> also note that modern toolkits (and i think unpached gtk2 too) discard synthetic events immidatly
<uvos> (wich is why xtest exists)
<freemangordon> ok, sending synthetic EnterNotify makes it work again
<sicelo> mighty17[m]: you don't need 'normal' wlroots when using phosh. at least i didn't need it back when i tried it on droid 4. patched wlroots = normal wlroots from phosh's point of view, unless you installed in a strange way
<Wizzup> freemangordon: cool
<Wizzup> I will take the vm at home just for a bit, for a kernel update, once the hildon-desktop build is done
<freemangordon> please gimme a minute to upgrade all the packages first in my VM befor you do that
<freemangordon> *before
<Wizzup> sure, np
<freemangordon> I will let you know when I am ready
<Wizzup> actually the vm does not host packages
<freemangordon> ah, ok then
<Wizzup> that's maedevu
<freemangordon> right
<freemangordon> just let h-d build finish then
<Wizzup> yup
<freemangordon> Wizzup: done
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<freemangordon> now it looks like a real thing :D
<freemangordon> bencoh: feel free to upgrade and retest whatever notifications were failing for you
<sicelo> apparently libcamera people are interested in supporting/working on the N900's camera
<sicelo> https://www.youtube.com/watch\?v\=r8ByyJzSKG8
<freemangordon> maybe remove '\' symbols from the link, 404 otherwise
<Wizzup> freemangordon: can confirm it works for me
<freemangordon> which one?
<freemangordon> notification?
<Wizzup> yes
<freemangordon> I am very glad we have modest, it will allow us to test lots of things we were not able to do so far
<freemangordon> notifications, mime types handling, etc
<Wizzup> yeah
<Wizzup> opening pdfs from modest doesn't launch the pdf viewer either atm
<freemangordon> BTW, mime types handling does not work properly too, this is next thing to be checked
<freemangordon> right
<freemangordon> that's what I meant
<freemangordon> also, if you try to insert image, the list of image mime types is empty, so basically you cannot insert/embed, only attach
<freemangordon> another subsystem not working properly which modest allows us to test
<freemangordon> and of course - address book :)
<Wizzup> right
<freemangordon> but, that's for tomorrow (or the day after), now I am going to have a drink and some chatter with GF, night :)
<Wizzup> gn!
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