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<phoebos> fair enough fultilt
<phoebos> that "rebuild all the packages" step should be removed from the documentation
<phoebos> in other news, posix 2024 has been published
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<angle> did they add rust to posix yet?
<sewn> yuck
<sewn> phoebos: link?
<sewn> are there any new changes?
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<riteo> sewn: the simplest way rn is to build sfeed
<riteo> (sorry for the delay)
<riteo> regarding POSIX, looks like rn only the PDF is available and, IIRC, PDFs are only available to paying members
<riteo> we gotta wait for the html
<angle> gotta pay for POSIX patreon to get the full scoop.
<angle> there's this site by some suckless adjacent type that talks about how we eventually need to move past POSIX.
<angle> what does that mean? a new standard with more stuff added on for Unix oses to target?
<riteo> this is dumb
<sewn> angle: this is outdated
<riteo> the git part is top notch: "perl" fair, "spaghetti" ???, "needs to be rewritten" what
<riteo> (btw, perl is optional)
<angle> they are prob openbsd people that are pro got.
<riteo> got?
<angle> but is there an opinion among suckless ppl that we eventually need to replace POSIX?
<angle> game of trees.
<angle> minimal api compatible version of git by openbsd people.
<angle> with a lamer license too, but we already had this discussion.
<riteo> this sounds pretty... pointless, but if that makes them happy
<riteo> POSIX is already quite lean. At most, some "legacy" utilities or conventions could be dropped, but they are here to guarantee script compatibility and whatnot
<riteo> also, not many distros are really posix compliant ootb
<angle> is there anything people wanna add?
<riteo> I mean, it's supposed to be a "base"
<angle> a new awk or something that is on basically every system?
<riteo> the closest thing to a new awk I know is jq
<riteo> but even then I would not advocate for its inclusion
<riteo> it's fine as-is, I think. At most, I'd expect work on _increasing_ portability
<riteo> If it ain't broke, don't fix it
<riteo> (also because, btw, it's not like new stuff will necessarily get added by distros, think about tsort or pax)
<midfavila> ive decided to surrender and use a (semi) modern toolkit
<midfavila> friendship with xaw ended, gnustep best friend (for now)
<midfavila> need to read backlogs this looks neat
<midfavila> new poosix spec?!?!?! :OOOOOOOOOOO
<midfavila> babe wake up its time to rewrite all your shell scripts quoting rules just got changed
<riteo> Today is a crazy day
<riteo> it's too much for me to handle, midfavilla changing toolkit AND a new POSIX spec being released?
<midfavila> its only temporarily
<midfavila> altho it looks like poopian builds their stuff using the cairo backend instead of xlib so its slow as shit on xfbdev
<midfavila> deeply unfortunate
<midfavila> oh god and it doesnt redraw windows until youve stopped dragging objects
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<midfavila> okay yeah we're going back to xaw applications now
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<midfavila> oh jesus christ
<midfavila> according to the register systemd is expanding yet again
<midfavila> subsuming sudo
<angle> this guy wrote a cool article I can't understand about ssh as a sudo/doas replacement.
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<phoebos> ok, new tarball built
<phoebos> I would appreciate anyone checking that it works for you!
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<fultilt> phoebos: The busybox in that tarball crashes for me with "illegal instruction". That's under qemu-system-x86_64.