00:07 <midfavila> hmm

00:07 <midfavila> you know, recently i've been thinking about how nice it would be to have a modernized take on "The UNIX Programming Environment"

00:08 <midfavila> but in many ways it's difficult to imagine what it would expand upon, aside from updating stuff about directories

00:08 <midfavila> maybe provide an intro to sockets, X/Wayland, etc

00:08 <midfavila> brief intro to POSIX using its equivalents of kernel system calls

00:08 <midfavila> that kinda thing

00:21 <Torr> How much Pdp11 was in Unix back when this was released, eh.

00:21 <Torr> And how much still there...

00:27 <midfavila> i don't think there was much if any when it was released

00:28 <midfavila> pretty sure research iii or iv was around the time the entire kernel was C

00:28 <midfavila> might be wrong though

00:31 <midfavila> ...heh, i might print myself an "Ed, man! !man ed" t-shirt at some point

00:31 <midfavila> that would be kinda funny

00:46 <phoebos> lol

06:51 <wael[m]> Hi

06:52 <testuser[m]> Hi

08:15 <virutalmachineus> Hi

08:26 <wael[m]> illiliti: btw the pr doesnt work with lzma or bzip2 or xz

08:26 <wael[m]> they are still single-threadeed

09:29 <wael[m]> testuser: is verbose building commands needed? for example when manually extracting or copying files is verbosity preferred

09:30 <testuser[m]> no

09:30 <wael[m]> how come? wouldn't it be more transparent that way

09:43 <testuser[m]> It's irrelevant most of the times

09:43 <testuser[m]> Except debuggin

10:35 <aelspire> Hi, I'm playing with automatic kernel module loading via mdevd rule like in mdev-like-a-boss. I've added line with modrpobe to /etc/mdev.conf and /etc/mdevd.conf and noticed that nothing is loaded untill I add "-C" flag to mdevd/run somehow "mdevd-coldplug" in /lib/init/rc.boot looks like doing something (I've changed modprobe to echo to see what is happening) but it's not loading required modules somehow?

10:36 <aelspire> I've tried changing "mdevd-coldplug" to "-C" flag in /lib/init/rc.boot but it didn't helped

10:37 <aelspire> but "-C" flag in mdevd/run service's file works

10:38 <aelspire> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

10:39 <testuser[m]> illiliti:

10:55 <aelspire> more info: I've sound "card" that require sof-firmware and wanted to load required modules after boot so kernel will grab fw from /lib/firmware

11:09 <aelspire> ok, I probably found cause

11:09 <aelspire> mdevd is killed too quicky in rc script

11:09 <aelspire> I've added slepp 10 after mdevd-coldplug and now lsmod shows modules

11:10 <aelspire> but this is not solution, from what I see mdevd-coldplug has -o option for synchronous coldbplug

11:10 <aelspire> but I'm still investigating how to use it

11:34 <aelspire> using "-O 4" as flag for both mdevd and mdevd-coldplug works

11:48 <wael[m]> waht the fu

12:37 <illiliti> aelspire: https://github.com/skarnet/mdevd/issues/9

12:38 <illiliti> you're right, "-O4" in rc.boot should work

12:38 <illiliti> except that I would recommend running mdevd-coldplug twice

12:39 <illiliti> that reduces a chance to hit race condition

12:39 <aelspire> illiliti: Oh, I didn't see this issue

12:39 <aelspire> thanks

12:41 <illiliti> but doesn't completely fix it. sometimes, even with having two mdev-coldplug i get broken permissions in /dev

12:42 <illiliti> but it is very rare and doesn't bother me

12:42 <aelspire> yeah, I'll probably settle with -O 4 in rc and see

12:43 <aelspire> in my case this is only sound so nothing mission critical

12:43 <illiliti> fine, just wanted to let you know that race condition is still possible

12:46 <illiliti> wael[m]: i don't know man. i believe i did everything what i could

12:59 <wael[m]> <illiliti> "wael: i don't know man. i..." <- nproc maybe?

12:59 <testuser[m]> illiliti: why not just use mdev -O4?

13:07 <illiliti> nproc is non-standard

13:07 <illiliti> mdev doesn't support -O4

13:08 <illiliti> it's exclusive to mdevd