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<wael_> Hi
<saturn[m]> o7
<saturn[m]> Hi
<testuser[m]> Hi
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<midfavila-mobile> sad_plan, anyone who has trouble with libtool: look into jlibtool or slibtool
<midfavila-mobile> replacements written in C that are basically plug and play
<midfavila-mobile> jlibtool needs a little polish, but works fine even on my janky system - slibtool seems to expect gnu binutils
<testuser[m]> what's a non gnu binutils
<midfavila-mobile> clang provides some that are compatible i think
<midfavila-mobile> i know for a fact that both tcc and the qbe guys have their own thing going on
<midfavila-mobile> although the latter is part of its own suite of C tools
<midfavila-mobile> i use tcc myself
<midfavila-mobile> libtool has been a massive problem
<illiliti> scc has some parts of binutils btw. idk how well they work
<midfavila-mobile> i think scc was what i was thinking of
<illiliti> which as do you use?
<midfavila-mobile> tcc :D
<wael_> :D
<testuser[m]> D:
<midfavila-mobile> yasm would be better but i can't be bothered to figure out how/if i can change tccasm out for it
<illiliti> what about minias? did you manage to make it work?
<illiliti> or it's too incomplete?
<midfavila-mobile> don't recall hearing about minias
<midfavila-mobile> aaah
<midfavila-mobile> i might be interested in it, if cproc were more viable and there were other implementations of ld and ar available that weren't humongous
<midfavila-mobile> as is tcc strikes a nice balance for me
<testuser[m]> rust 1.65 dropped
<testuser[m]> So bad
<wael_> So bad
<illiliti> midfavila-mobile: check elftoolchain ar
<illiliti> pretty sure firefox doesn't build with it
<illiliti> as usual
<illiliti> i would be glad if i'm wrong
<testuser[m]> Does ff use some unstable features or what
<testuser[m]> That it breaks on every other release
<illiliti> yeah
<illiliti> they use nightly features all time
<illiliti> fuck can rust stop moving fast and instead work on stabilizing things and platforms support?
<illiliti> it's so fucking annoying, and now they want to put rust in linux
<illiliti> imagine how fucked it will be
<midfavila-mobile> but muh break things mindset
<midfavila-mobile> linus already shit all over rustoids for being terrible programmers
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<midfavila-mobile> will peek at elftoolchain
<midfavila-mobile> currently stuck on 12kBps duplex link
<midfavila-mobile> gonna take a while
<illiliti> ohh
<midfavila-mobile> yeah
<midfavila-mobile> i'm using an anonymously-registered SIM with unlimited data for internet these days
<midfavila-mobile> can't afford a home connection any more :D
<midfavila-mobile> gives me a reason to poke at gopher more though
<illiliti> cool that you can have anonymous SIM legally
<midfavila-mobile> ye
<midfavila-mobile> it's surprisingly cheap as well
<midfavila-mobile> 15$ a month for a data-only plan
<wael_> do kiss users use gimp from flatpak or natively? there isnt a gimp in repositories atm
<midfavila-mobile> >implying kiss users use gimp
<midfavila-mobile> bold of you
<wael_> what do you use for image editing then
<wael_> i hope you dont use imagemagick
<illiliti> azpainter?
<illiliti> it's x11-only iirc
<wael_> but kiss is wayland
<testuser[m]> use photopea
<wael_> 40% of my screen is covered by nothing for ads
<testuser[m]> I use flatpak only for libreoffice
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<midfavila-mobile> wael_ classic-colors
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<midfavila-mobile> >elftoolchain requires binutils
<midfavila-mobile> classic
<midfavila-mobile> just tried pdpmake, *wow*
<midfavila-mobile> crazy fast
<testuser[m]> What can be made fast about make
<midfavila-mobile> beats me - i just use it
* midfavila-mobile shrugs
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<illiliti> testuser[m]: turns out it is not possible to push using GITHUB_TOKEN if commit affects workflow file in .github/workflows
<illiliti> it requires token with workflow permissions which GITHUB_TOKEN doesn't have
<illiliti> so my idea won't work. we need to generate token anyway
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<illiliti> btw can codeberg sync mirror on push event instead of periodically syncing it?
<sad_plan> o/
<wael_> hi sad_plan
<sad_plan> hi wael_
<sad_plan> I was just gonnoa comment on 91. try to build gnutls with p11-kit. I had issues with gnutls aswell iirc
<testuser[m]> illiliti: no
<testuser[m]> u could add a workflow for that ig but not required reallu
<testuser[m]> U can just force sync in case it's urgent
<illiliti> to github?
<testuser[m]> ye
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<illiliti> we could use it for wiki
<illiliti> if it gets implemented of course
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<wael_> how should shell functions be organized
<sad_plan> in what order you mean? like func 1 func 2 etc?
<wael_> well in the shell script itself
<wael_> yes i suppose
<wael_> also wow TIL kiss doesnt use awk nor sed once, why is that?
<sad_plan> I order them in the order theyre used. but I dont think it matters tbh
<sad_plan> dosnt have to I suppose?
<wael_> wdym by how theyre used? by the time they are executed in the shell script?
<wael_> like boo() baa() main() { boo; baa } ?
<sad_plan> correct
<wael_> thank u
<wael_> idk how kiss does it tho i wonder
<testuser[m]> wael: it does the same things in much slower sh code
<testuser[m]> but it doesnt matter cuz in most cases input data is small
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<testuser[m]> noocsharp: illiliti any idea about wayland equivalent APIs to implement ff remoting? https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/master/toolkit/components/remote/nsGTKRemoteServer.cpp
<phoebos> wael_: could you try your test with sort -u rather than uniq
<phoebos> uniq only filters adjacent duplicate lines
<wael_> and sort?
<phoebos> also the two tools might add different path prefixes that sort -u won't understand
<phoebos> sort -u removes all duplicated lines, and sorts
<phoebos> could you post the exact output of each tool?
<phoebos> also, I made an edit to the script to unset prefix, did you use that version?
<wael_> im not home right now
<phoebos> no worries, whenever you can
<wael_> when did you make the edit
<phoebos> > 18 hours ago
<phoebos> yes, the find version reports 3 duplicates, which aren't removed by sort -u because they have different prefixes
<phoebos> for me
<illiliti> testuser[m]: you need dbus to make it work iirc
<testuser[m]> There's dbus backend and gtk backend
<testuser[m]> But gtk backend uses some X atoms stuff
<testuser[m]> So how could it be implemented using wayland apis
<testuser[m]> Cuz I'm not familiar with gui stuff
<illiliti> i think you don't need gtk backend(?)
<illiliti> dbus should be enough
<testuser[m]> No i mean i want to port the gtk back end thing to wayland without using dbus
<illiliti> well, you'll have to dive into firefox and wayland code cuz i don't have simple answer
<illiliti> look at how firefox interacts with dbus and think how to reimplement it using wayland ipc
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<saturn[m]> found the culprit about the blank screen, the AMDGPU driver. i enabled absolutely everything, even in the submenus, and yet; blank screen, anyone know why? i’ll send my config in a second
<wael_> linux-firmware is what some others say
<wael_> Is that a thing in kiss
<testuser[m]> wael: ur supposed to add all fw into CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE
<wael_> Pinged wrong person lol
<testuser[m]> Or load it at runtime by just keeping it placed in /usr/lib/firmware
<wael_> You might wanna tell him how to do that
<testuser[m]> no
<wael_> Plz
<wael_> He will be sad
<saturn[m]> so i think i’m supposed to load navi21 firmware, specifically `amdgpu/sienna_cichlid_{ce,dmcub,me,mec2,mec,pfp,rlc,sdma,smc,sos,ta,vcn}.bin`
<saturn[m]> got that from gentoo wiki
<saturn[m]> and nothing
<saturn[m]> i think i got it wrong
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<dilyn> sturn[m]: if you build your GPU drivers *into the kernel* you need to list the firmware in CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE, and it doesn't do { ... } expansion. if you build it as modules, you just need the firmware to be in /lib/firmware in the right locations and it will all Just Werk(tm)
<testuser[m]> dilyn how's the jerb going
<dilyn> first nine months: risc-v. last three months: technical documentation
<testuser[m]> Hmm so it's basically porting ubuntu packages and stuff to run on risc v?
<testuser[m]> ME probably making sure theres spyware in your gpu so they can look at your monitor, what ME was designed for in the first place.
<dilyn> customer meetings take forever
<dilyn> so I don't do any specific package maintenance work -- that's whole other teams or community members, but that specific project is all about bringing the product I support (ubuntu core) to risc-v boards, and that icicle kit is the latest addition to that task
<dilyn> was a lot of fun, there'll be more to say about that particular project in a few months...
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<testuser[m]> I remember 4.7.3 was made by real programmers
<testuser[m]> Those were the times
<wael_> grandpa testuser
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<saturn[m]> <dilyn> "sturn[m]: if you build your..." <- thank you, i got it booting now
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