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<Torr> For sure.
<Torr> Paid ranking has turned those engines into a propaganda billboard.
<Torr> Although I know of no alternative to their crawlers.
<Torr> The bloated UI can be mitigated by Searxng and Whoogle.
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<Torr> Going for a walk now, see ya.
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<wael_> Hi
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<wael_> midfavila-mobile: should I try net over sdhcp?
<wael_> I would prefer to have eiwd later on so net might be difficult to setup
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<illiliti> what's the point of all these network managers if they all depend on wpa_supplicant?
<wael_> eiwd depends on it?
<illiliti> no
<wael_> but does net
<illiliti> > you're going to use a program (e.g iw or wpa_supplicant) in order to establish a connection to the router.
<testuser[m]> wael: something is broken about libgpg-error, you need to kiss b it again after installing it and then do ostree
<testuser[m]> I forgot to investigate it
<wael_> bwuh
<testuser[m]> wael: fixed
<wael_> yaya
<wael_> phoebos: git-rev parse reporevdeps literally gives less results
<testuser[m]> Hey, I bought Twitter Blue and minted NFT on Ethereum ( ERC-1155, on OpenSea). The NFT is not visible in the Twitter app. It is visible in Metamask and Rainbow wallets. Any help or tricks?
<wael_> Have you tried turning it off and on again?
<testuser[m]> Distribution maintainers: please consider implementing Flathub as a default application source.
<wael_> Flat linux
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<testuser[m]> Dependency conflicts preventing upgrades are the main issue today. And using a language like Rust solves a large number of packaging woes thanks to static linking. I'm also in favor of the way NixOS handles dependencies that makes shared conflicts a thing of the past
<wael_> how does nixos handle dependencies testuser
<testuser[m]> vector<string>? Did you mean vector<basic_string<char, char_traits<char>, allocator<char> >, allocator<basic_string<char, char_traits<char>, allocator<char> > > >?
<testuser[m]> does anyone else have untracked garbage in `/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/_distutils_hack/__pycache__` or `/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/gi/__pycache__/`
<testuser[m]> ig its created when those modules are run as root
<phoebos> wael_: can you send the output of both and your KISS_PATH
<wael_> phoebos: https://termbin.com/t5ma
<wael_> testuser: i have 2 files in _distutils_hack
<wael_> owned by python
<testuser[m]> thats different
<testuser[m]> the ones i have are suffixed with opt-1.pyc and opt-2.pyc
<phoebos> wael_: could you send the git rev-parse script you're using
<testuser[m]> ig it decides to regenerate the cache in some cases or something
<phoebos> weird
<phoebos> could you send sh -x kiss-reporevdepends-git openssl
<wael_> how do i output the entire thing to a file tho
<testuser[m]> ah it seems they;re generated when rebuilding python itself
<wael_> testuser: why does flatpak need gnupg2 again
<phoebos> sh -x ... 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
<testuser[m]> wael: to v e r i f y repos
<wael_> phoebos: no
<wael_> it just doesnt
<wael_> ,,,,,,,,,,,wtf it does not nvm
<wael_> i mean it does
<phoebos> ah it's because you have a repo like foo/foo/pkgs
<testuser[m]> phoebos: is there a point in removing pydoc from python it's like 2mb
<phoebos> wael_: try https://termbin.com/n9luw
<phoebos> testuser[m]: what is pydoc anyway
<phoebos> if no one uses it then it's fine to remove
<testuser[m]> documentation for python modules
<testuser[m]> its already removed but i think it should be added back
<wael_> phoebos: congrats it managed to get 1 extra package
<phoebos> send sh -x
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<wael_> i mean it managed to get 1 extra result which means it wonb ut ok
<wael_> phoebos: if i were to use this over the traditional searching, wouldn't non-git repositories break as well
<wael_> anyhoo is there a good way to replace characters in $@ or $1 in posix sh without sed
<testuser[m]> no
<phoebos> wael_: no
<phoebos> they just work the same as the original reporevdep
<wael_> fuck
<wael_> phoebos: wait so it doesnt rely on .git cached info or anything?
<wael_> it seems the difference is just not using `find` lol
<phoebos> my intention is to have the full repo name for each result, not a subdir, or the whole path
<wael_> got it ok
<phoebos> also, what do you mean 1 extra result? it seems to have the full set no
<wael_> 28 < 26
<wael_> i said 1 because foo''bar package lol
<wael_> but hey 1 extra package so why not
<phoebos> so the find version has fewer results?
<wael_> i guess
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<wael_> why doesnt running 'continue' in a case statement continue the rest of the case statements
<phoebos> continue applies to loops, what do you mean
<wael_> i thought it applied in case statements as well
<wael_> i need a case statement to continue the rest of the case statements after reaching a switch
<wael_> for example i know it reached foo but i want it to continue to bar as well
<phoebos> only the first matching case is run
<phoebos> case a in a) foo; bar ;; esac
<wael_> i know but without having it in one case statement
<wael_> case $1 in foo|bar|baz) something ;; foo)... ;; bar)... ;; baz) ;; esac
<wael_> is what im trying to do
<phoebos> case $1 in foo|bar|baz) x ;; esac; case $1 in foo) ;; bar) ;; baz) ;; esac
<phoebos> use two
<wael_> ok fair enough
<wael_> whats the difference between :- and := in variable substitution
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<hackexe> Is it safe to say that keyboard and mouse not being detected after boot up at the login tty is a kernel configuration issue?
<wael_> phoebos: i read that and its the same i see no difference
<wael_> hackexe: yes
<hackexe> wael_: roger that, thanks. Was at this from 10am yesterday to 1am this morning continously
<hackexe> The only kernel configuration that works is my current Slackware configuration. Any slight change I make to get typing, the next time boot hangs on PCI bridging bus 05
<hackexe> Tempted to steal Void's kernel .config
<testuser[m]> hackexe: send dmesg
<testuser[m]> Doesn't sound normal
<testuser[m]> wael: := assigns but :- just returns value
<testuser[m]> := assigns and gives value
<wael_> testuser: what? doesnt := and :- both assign
<hackexe> testuser: oh nice, I wasn't aware dmesg was available in the chroot
<hackexe> Let me take a look at this real quick
<wael_> you can do dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
<wael_> huh weird
<wael_> it does detect and assign input and hidraw to it
<wael_> can you upload your kernel configuration maybe
<hackexe> Am I missing something at the init level? I've done nothing other than follow the installation instructions but can't shake the feeling it isn't that simple hah
<hackexe> Sure thing, termbin as well?
<wael_> yeah,
<wael_> no matter what circumstance the keyboard should always work upon being recognized
<hackexe> Huh, interesting
<hackexe> Hoping it's not a hardware difference, there is nothing fancy going on with my box. If I'm here at KISS, I think it's safe to assume that
<wael_> do you use a initramfs
<hackexe> Negative
<wael_> most of if not all drivers are marked as a module
<wael_> use tinyramfs
<hackexe> grub-mkconfig doesn't detect the initrd generated by tinyramfs and nothing seems to happen when I manually add the initrd clause to grub.cfg
<wael_> they will not be loaded unless specified via modprobe
<wael_> interesting
<hackexe> But you know what I haven't tried with this full Slackware config
<hackexe> Let me try that and get back to you guys, thanks a lot
<wael_> wait how did you get the dmesg if there was no keyboard input
<hackexe> chroot
<wael_> no
<hackexe> Ah
<wael_> dmesg from a chroot will only do the live (host) system's dmesg
<wael_> try to setup a SSH
<wael_> most likely networking wont work either since it might be a module, worth a shot
<hackexe> Gotcha, I'll try that out
<hackexe> wael_: curious, do you use an initramfs?
<wael_> nope
<wael_> all stuff in my kernel config are marked as built-in and not a module
<hackexe> Yep, that's how I did it initially until the kernel hung on PCI bridge error. Tried to compare Slack's config but that's futile, too much shit going on to find which module I need to get passed that. Or if a module is what makes it halt
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<wael_> rip
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<hackexe> I was going to use kirc from KISS and say hello from KISS but, net shit I haven't configured yet
<hackexe> It worked. `make defconfig` for fucks sake
<wael_> that makes the default config
<wael_> if i were you id go from a live bloated system and chroot into it and make a config with 'make localyesconfig'
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<hackexe> I used `make localyesconfig` yesterday however
<hackexe> I ran that on my local slackware box and loaded that config while chrooted into KISS
<hackexe> I take it it should be the other way around?
<wael_> make localyesconfig marks all modules used by the local system its being ran from as yes, to be built into the kernel
<wael_> so the other way around is a no id assume
<hackexe> Yep, I figured hah
<hackexe> Trying localyesconfig one more time. We'll see how this goes
<hackexe> Any particular reason why grub replaced lilo?
<wael_> idk
<wael_> lilo became grandpa ig
<wael_> grub is gnu but i dont use it, maybe on legacy systems
<hackexe> I take it you use syslinux
<hackexe> or probably built your own didn't you
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<wael_> what?
<wael_> i use efibootmgr
<midfavila-mobile> hackexe lilo isn't maintained any more
<wael_> lilo grandpa
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<testuser[m]> How is a workaround for a common graphics stack in drm/atomic in any way shape or form related to or fixed by a microkernel?
<testuser[m]> This isn't even an issue of stability or modularity, it was a goofy workaround for unmaintained but critical external code.
<testuser[m]> Your post is either a non-sequitur, or you don't actually know what a microkernel is
<midfavila-mobile> >unmaintained
<midfavila-mobile> >critical
<midfavila-mobile> so fucking maintain it
<midfavila-mobile> jfc
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<mmatongo> \*
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<mmatongo> hi guys
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