00:12 <phoebos> yeah, i just meant to show that ipv6 was working fine to connect to their server

02:47 <midfavila> phoebos was it you who I discussed Athena with a while back?

03:34 <testuser[m]> Hi

03:36 <testuser[m]> midfavila: glasnost has riscv

04:37 <wael_> Hi

11:16 <phoebos> midfavila: yes, I think I sent you a couple of my awful athena programs

11:17 <phoebos> on that topic, I was doing some particle simulations in plain Xlib yesterday

13:05 <testuser[m]> Send

13:17 <midfavila> phoebos, i'm working on refurbing a library you'll be interested in, then

13:17 <midfavila> it's called "libsx" - the Simple X Library. it's around 30 years old, but it's still maintained and (relatively) small

13:18 <midfavila> about 8k lines of ANSI C. it sits atop Athena and provides some abstractions for working with common widget types so that using Xaw is slightly less homicidal-tendency-inducing

13:18 <midfavila> it includes seven or so demos, and on average it seems to cut the amount of boilerplate necessary to use xaw to about half - maybe less

13:20 <midfavila> it also includes some small additions to the athena widget set like a color selector

14:37 <wael_> xso ture

14:37 <wael_> so ture

14:37 <wael_> so true

15:02 <midfavila> actually i just ran cloc on the source directory - the demos make up about 3.2k lines of C. library itself is 4834+358 lines of header

15:02 <midfavila> (for libsx)

16:09 <wael_> so shocking

16:42 <Torr> wael_: What?

16:42 <wael_> wat

17:03 <phoebos> midfavila: sounds excellent. link?

17:05 <midfavila> one secceroni my dude

17:05 <midfavila> https://web.physics.wustl.edu/marty/libsx/libsx.html

17:05 <midfavila> dox

17:06 <midfavila> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libsx

17:06 <midfavila> doobiedoo sources

17:06 <midfavila> you'll need to remove some function prototypes (compiler should error out with __P in them -- they're prototypes for posix funcs from pre-posix days) and you'll need to add #include <X11/IntrinsicP.h> to xstuff.h under src

17:06 <midfavila> after that it's smooth sailing

17:07 <midfavila> i'm thinking about rewriting some of the widgets from "A Survey of Widget Sets" to use libsx, tbqh - some of the behavior libsx provides is really nice. for example, autoconfiguration of scrollwheel callbacks on lists

17:11 <midfavila> http://www.efalk.org/Widgets/

17:11 <midfavila> ^tabs, a file selector, and other goodies

17:12 <midfavila> i'm a big fan of the frame widget - it looks *really*, *really* good

17:12 <midfavila> http://0x0.st/olAT.png

17:13 <midfavila> ^framedemo with traditional xaw, not 3d or anything

17:13 <phoebos> niiice

17:14 <midfavila> honestly it makes me feel pretty confident about Xaw's ability as a toolkit

17:14 <midfavila> for non-trivial applications, I mean

17:20 <phoebos> hm, needs libxaw3dxft

17:20 <midfavila> nah, it doesn't

17:20 <midfavila> you can just sed -i 's/Xaw3dXft/Xaw/g' *

17:21 <midfavila> here, one sec

17:21 <midfavila> i'll send you a patched tarball

17:22 <midfavila> http://0x0.st/olAQ.tar.gz

17:22 <midfavila> this should compile with a simple 'make' under src

17:23 <midfavila> i haven't rewritten the makefiles themselves so they might be a little crusty, but they do work

17:25 <midfavila> gosh I think this is the first time I've been excited about programming in a long time

17:25 <midfavila> athena + libsx + a handful of supplements from that page would be fuckn *awesome*

22:07 <midfavila> phoebos, do you have any clue what goes on with the *customization: -color flag wrt: Xaw programs?

22:07 <midfavila> only a handful accept it, but those that do (XCalc, XMessage, XEdit etc) end up looking really nice

23:38 <midfavila> nvm, after taking five seconds to poke around it just loads an alternate (really nice) set of resources