<wael[m]>
is the README in packages only there to be added to the kisslinux wiki? or is it also picked up by kiss?
<phoebos>
only packages in dylan's repo go into the wiki
<phoebos>
but kiss help pkg works with any README
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<testuser[m]1>
is it ok to add gobject-introspection to community ? it's removed from repo and introspection is disabled for every package but it's required for creating bindings to other langs
<testuser[m]1>
like for python
<testuser[m]1>
just packaging gobject-introspection alone gives bindings for glib, which is enough for waydroid
<testuser[m]1>
doesnt need gtk bindings
<illiliti>
as long as main repo remain unchanged, it's ok
<illiliti>
i found a backward-compatible way how to use checksums and etcsums with b3sum
<illiliti>
we can use specify the length of hash using -l option
<illiliti>
b3sum -l 33 /etc/passwd
<illiliti>
and based on length we can determine algorithm
<illiliti>
all b3sum implementations support -l option
<illiliti>
so no problem with that
<testuser[m]1>
what if we want to switch to something else in the future
<illiliti>
we will figure that out if needed
<testuser[m]1>
ok
<illiliti>
we can always add more files to kiss package format
<illiliti>
but if there's a way to keep it simple, why not
<testuser[m]1>
should we move dropped packages to abandoned/ directory in community or keep removing them?
<testuser[m]1>
illiliti: yea its good
<illiliti>
i think this question counts as a proposal
<illiliti>
because it changes established practice
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<sad_plan>
o/
<illiliti>
hi
<sad_plan>
I tried to dig into the issue with dropbear yesterday, and it seems that often some projects create their own _start, or forgot to add a main (), which will cause such an error, but this isnt really the case.
<sad_plan>
the solution would then be to add -nostdlib or -nostartfiles to cflags, buuut then itll just error out without an error it seems
<illiliti>
i don't think it's safe to use colon char in filenames
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<wael[m]>
kiss itself does
<testuser[m]1>
where lol
<wael[m]>
logs
<sad_plan>
yeah, i know his naming scheme is.. not ideal. its just a sed or two away from fixing it though
<sad_plan>
I was thinking about going over to ayland, but I wanted to use something abit niche, like spkp. currently using his X wm instead though. glazier. which I really like, but yeah. kinda want a change of scenery
<illiliti>
go for it
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<eudaldgr>
Hi
<eudaldgr>
i see a lot of people
<eudaldgr>
It's been a long time since I've been here.
<eudaldgr>
How is it going?
<phoebos>
colons are fine in filenames except for windows i think
<phoebos>
hi eudaldgr
<sad_plan>
hi eudaldgr
<sad_plan>
are you going to use kiss again?
<eudaldgr>
Hi phoebos sad_plan =*
<eudaldgr>
Well maybe virtualized
<sad_plan>
why not nativly?
<eudaldgr>
I need more stability, than the Dylan can offer
<eudaldgr>
Maybe a partition
<eudaldgr>
But i need to know...
<eudaldgr>
How do you manage Dylan's comings and goings on your machines?
<eudaldgr>
Switching between Community repo and main repo?
<eudaldgr>
Or simply no one uses Dylan's KISSLinux anymore?
<testuser[m]1>
He hasn't come back since almost a year
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<eudaldgr>
well i'm going to install now, i see community also uses `wayland` and `openssl`
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<eudaldgr>
Anyone tried to install KISS on WSL?
<eudaldgr>
Shame on me, I'm on win10...
<sad_plan>
personally I just forked packages that went out of date. i however is still on x and libressl so.
<sad_plan>
its a year since it got updated, but yeah. im sure you can figure it out
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<eudaldgr>
nice
<sad_plan>
its a start anyway. but how was kiss so unstable for me? did you just tinker alot? cause if I do that, my system breaks all the time. but If I just leave it tf alone, itll usually work just fine
<sad_plan>
's/me/you
<eudaldgr>
for unstable i mean the development, i can't maintain a distribution by myself at this moment
<sad_plan>
you dont have to. kiss-community does
<eudaldgr>
i prefer Dylan's vision
<sad_plan>
I get that, but dylan is unfortunatly not here though..
<sad_plan>
on the topic of windows. I installed w11 on a laptop the other day. and it was utterly atrocious....
<eudaldgr>
I just need to simplify my computer for a while, I always have a hard drive with windows anyway, because it is shared. And finally my time is so short that I need something that just works. no config, no compiling, no headaches.
<eudaldgr>
win10 sucks, but installed anyway, and with WSL I have some linux on it anyway, until better times come back.
<illiliti>
hi eudaldgr
<eudaldgr>
hi illiliti <3 =*
<sad_plan>
why didnt you just go for something like fedora, artix etc instead? eudaldgr
<illiliti>
i just realized that we have only 5 packages that depend on glib
<illiliti>
and one has false dependency
<illiliti>
it's cairo
<eudaldgr>
illiliti and you plan to drop it?
<illiliti>
maybe
<illiliti>
maybe i'll switch cairo to muon first
<illiliti>
it has meson.build
<eudaldgr>
Ohh i see the PR
<eudaldgr>
nice
<eudaldgr>
I have a lot of catching up to do
<sad_plan>
how long has it been? a year? 2?
<eudaldgr>
sad_plan I tried, and it always failed, some program for studies, work... some configuration for my hardware, some use case, something always failed. I tried Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Hackintosh, OpenBSD... win10 is mainstream, it just works, I don't have so much free time.
<eudaldgr>
This is an endemic issue of Linux in general, it's nothing personal with KISS.
<sad_plan>
I can totally relate to that. back when I used windows, and just regular android; everything just sorta worked, all the time. when I switched to linux, and custom roms, and eventually grapheneOS, alot of stuff just.. didnt work anymore, or got excedingly more difficult as I progressed further down the rabbithole :p
<eudaldgr>
this rabbithole have no end
<sad_plan>
i know.. sometimes it feels like a curse to care about privacy and free/open source software. you cant get back from that :p
<eudaldgr>
Hobbyists strive to fight an entire multi-trillion industry, and his political power... what can go wrong? :')
<sad_plan>
ikr :')
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<illiliti>
does chromium really need glib? what about use_glib=false?
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<testuser[m]1>
illiliti: It needs gtk anyway
<testuser[m]1>
Id check what glib is used for but I don't have source tree rn