04:11 <testuser[m]12> Hi

04:23 <ioraff> hi

05:51 <wael[m]> Hi

09:29 <illiliti> noocsharp: wayclip Makefile isn't posix despite claiming so

09:30 <illiliti> https://illiliti.pastes.sh/1662802069594013603

09:30 <illiliti> this patch fixes compatibility with bmake and smake, but not pdpmake

09:30 <illiliti> cuz pdpmake is more stricter than these two

09:31 <illiliti> it prohibit using '-' in target names

09:32 <illiliti> i can send patch to ML if you like

09:32 <illiliti> when i get home

11:40 <wael[m]> a

11:40 <testuser[m]12> lol

13:33 <macslash1[m]> Hiii

14:29 <testuser[m]12> illiliti: I think /lib and /usr/lib are pretty much guaranteed to be present in dynlink search path on any system -- so adding ignoring rpath of these 2 values should cover most of the cases, and others like lib32 lib64 or x86*linux* or whatever can be treated as edge cases that we can't handle

14:30 <testuser[m]12> https://github.com/wbx-github/uclibc-ng/blob/master/ldso/ldso/dl-elf.c#L337-L338

14:30 <testuser[m]12> https://github.com/bminor/musl/blob/master/ldso/dynlink.c#L1118

14:33 <illiliti> it's not edge cases

14:33 <illiliti> it's quite common cases

14:38 <testuser[m]12> https://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/1/ld.so/

14:38 <testuser[m]12> > The /lib and /usr/lib directories

14:45 <illiliti> glibc has /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu

14:45 <illiliti> illumos/solaris has /usr/lib/{64,32}

14:45 <illiliti> also /usr/ccs/lib

14:45 <illiliti> and /usr/lib/<arch>

14:46 <illiliti> e.g /usr/lib/amd64

14:49 <testuser[m]12> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/libexec/ld.so/library_subr.c#L42 netbsd and openbsd only have /usr/lib but that's just cuz /lib doesn't even exist

14:49 <testuser[m]12> https://www.netbsd.org/docs/pkgsrc/files.html

14:49 <testuser[m]12> https://man.openbsd.org/hier

14:58 <illiliti> if hardcoding something non-portable is the only option, then better off resorting to hacks

14:59 <illiliti> note that kiss doesn't assume /usr

14:59 <illiliti> hardcoding /usr/lib would make it so

14:59 <illiliti> can we get this path at runtime?

14:59 <illiliti> you said something about INTERP before

15:11 <illiliti> actually i feel this is wrong direction towards proper fix

15:12 <illiliti> this is still a fix yeah, but it isn't good

15:14 <illiliti> i'll try to find some time to fully dive into it

15:14 <illiliti> too busy rn tbh

19:43 <noocsharp> illiliti: send to ml or me directly, either works

19:44 <noocsharp> i'll make a new release too

22:20 <rohan> yo guys

22:20 <rohan> someone know a solution to use arduino on kiss?

22:25 <phinxy> avr-gcc?

22:26 <phinxy> avr-gcc is available for Alpine at least.