02:00 <testuser[m]> Hi

02:06 <noocsharp> o/

02:16 <acheam> hi

05:13 <phoebos> hi

12:58 <testuser[m]> I hate the C programming language... hate it... it's the most moronic programming language there is. You've got to be a true ignorant to think that anything secure should be written in C. Linux has become infested with all kinds of bugs mostly because of buffer overflows and uninitialized variables and similar. It's time to send this garbage of a language to the grave and thank it for its service.

12:58 <testuser[m]> What kills me more is that some Linux devs are upset that Rust is being considered to go into the kernel... and my only response to them is: ARE YOU FREAKING BLIND?? how many more bugs should happen before you stop gambling with people's computers' security?!!!

13:15 <tleydxdy[m]> That's just swapping out pneumoconiosis for cancer

13:27 <illiliti> there's no sane alternative for c

13:27 <illiliti> rust's build system is beyond repair

13:27 <illiliti> go has gc and abusive contribution policy

13:27 <testuser[m]> But vro zig

13:27 <illiliti> zig is over-engineered

13:28 <illiliti> what else?

13:29 <testuser[m]> Php

13:29 <illiliti> lol

13:29 <omanom> what are your thoughts on nim

13:31 <testuser[m]> ~~Vlang~~

13:32 <illiliti> nim is interesting but its stdlib depends on gc. that's OK for kernel, but no-go for system programming

13:32 <illiliti> vlang is a joke actually

13:33 <illiliti> it tries to reimplement vala

13:36 <tleydxdy[m]> just use vhdl

13:38 <illiliti> it's too much

13:55 <omanom> what about Modula-2

13:56 <illiliti> never heard of it

13:57 <omanom> https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/?td=rt-3a

16:40 <noocsharp> oberon is the way

16:41 <noocsharp> if it could run on real hardware that is

16:47 <noocsharp> i think it's a simpler version of modula-2

17:24 <testuser[m]> https://www.bigtechwiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

17:27 <testuser[m]> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO-MBaEWUA0M-dO?format=jpg&name=large

17:38 <Guest57> Hi

17:40 <Guest57> When I try to install zlib, I get a 404 error

17:40 <Guest57> 1.2.11 -> 1.2.12

17:42 <testuser[m]> Soon

17:42 <testuser[m]> Bruh what's wrong with keeping old tarballs available lol

17:43 <Guest57> Same question. It is better to install an old version than to waste time on an urgent package update

18:24 <omanom> is there any reason to only use releases and not use tags?

20:11 <acheam> omanom: on github?

20:11 <acheam> only one that comes to mind is ignorance

20:18 <omanom> well, i guess zlib would be a bad example. You've got the most-recent on zlib.net/, you've got old releases under zlib.net/fossils/ (*including* the latest, actually), and then the github repo has every release as a *tag* rather than a release

20:19 <omanom> so in zlib's case, should the sources file change from https://zlib.net/zlib-VERSION.tar.gz to https://zlib.net/fossils/zlib-VERSION.tar.gz ?

20:19 <illiliti> yes

20:19 <omanom> but maybe they don't always put the latest version under /fossils/ in which case, would github tags be the best bet?

20:21 <illiliti> does they come with pregenerated configure script?

20:26 <omanom> a configure script is present in all three "locations", yes

20:32 <illiliti> good