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<noocsharp> acheam: what of ddevault's did you contribute to out of curiosity?
<acheam> no major contributions
<acheam> its been mostly typo fixes and documentation updates on various projects
<noocsharp> i'm trying to figure out how exactly my name got skipped
<noocsharp> if i were him, i would use git shortlog to generate a list of names, but there are other sway contributors beside myself missing, so he probably didn't use that
<noocsharp> including somebody named "Some Chinese Guy"
<acheam> maybe he just forgot to include sway?
<acheam> or only did sr.ht projects
<noocsharp> other sway contributors made it
<acheam> they could have also contributed to other projects
<acheam> there is a lot of overlap in developers and projects
<noocsharp> but a bunch of people on the list are one-off sway contributors
<noocsharp> people's github usernames
<acheam> /shrug
<noocsharp> /shrug indeed
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<dilyn> obviously he's trying to silence and cancel you
<dilyn> we should be outraged as a community and cancel him back in retaliation
<dilyn> he's had it too good for too long *shakes fist*
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<noocsharp> brb gonna revert all my sway commits
<dilyn> call stallman
<dilyn> he'll get this whole thing sorted
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<testuser[m]> Hi
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<testuser[m]> bruh
<testuser[m]> bruh
<dilyn> breh
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<dilyn> guess I have to start using sway:)
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<testuser[m]> Vro just revert
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<phoebos> syspatch(8) is nice
<phoebos> testuser[m]: libtls 3.5.1 also
<phoebos> oh june hasn't merged it yet :p
<testuser[m]> Bruh
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<dilyn> vro I don't wanna maintain a diverging tree
<dilyn> maybe I should just install ubuntu :c
<testuser[m]> ~~install rhel~~
<dilyn> kekw
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<midfavila> sup nerds
<testuser[m]> Hi
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<dilyn> that's a pretty big mistake ain't it *laughs in mathematician*
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<midfavila> big mistake was choosing to study set theory before arithmetic
<testuser[m]> dilyn: bruh snap is GPL
<midfavila> wait I'm probably missing context for this
<midfavila> hmm
<dilyn> set theory is the foundation of arithmetic logically but will be lacking fundamentally at a certain point
<midfavila> yeah obvs. rip wrt: the git contributor situation noocsharp
<dilyn> depends on the sort of axioms your set theory is giving you. if it's just a basic & rudimentary set theory, it won't be supremely applicable to other topics (though the 'intuition' will make more trivial problems easier to think about)
<dilyn> testuser: i know:'(
<midfavila> haven't actually picked up the texts on set theory I bought actually. read the first chapter of one, didn't understand 90% of the notation they were using and figured I should study logic first, so still doing that
<midfavila> got some scheme books the other day so I'm doing that at the same time. the little schemer is a fun read
<midfavila> ...used "actually" twice in the same sentence... fuck, I need to read what I write :v
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<dilyn> my favorite part about set theory is when all these geniuses realized they fucked up and they all desperately tried to fix it
<dilyn> wrote a twenty page proof that 2+2=4 and it still didn't fix it
<midfavila> you mean the incompleteness theorem, right?
<dilyn> f
<dilyn> Godel's work is a more general description of that specific problem so in a way yes
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<midfavila> ah, yeah, the shod guy
<midfavila> he's a pretty good programmer - wish I knew enough C to understand his work more
<omanom0> wait are you pro-EWMH or against-EWMH? i always forget
<midfavila> pro-standards
<midfavila> not pro-EWMH specifically
<midfavila> so like, standards are a good thing, but ideally those standards wouldn't be shit - last I looked at the I3CM and EWMH, they seemed... less than ideal
<dilyn> acheam: sotd suggestion -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUyyHYkBHk
<midfavila> >youtube
<dilyn> memetube
<testuser[m]> ewwtube
<midfavila> :v
<midfavila> anyway yeah paginator is nifty as a concept but I think it's non-ideal
<midfavila> it's not composable ala command-line tools
<midfavila> i'd probably make a generic "button bar" or "viewport" program designed for scriptability and then have it trigger commands on events
<midfavila> which could then be passed to a program that manages workspaces
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<noocsharp> you could always write your own tool as a way of learning c and x11
<midfavila> it's on the list :p
<midfavila> I've been writing down ideas for programs for a few months now
<testuser[m]> Soon
<midfavila> soon:tm:
<midfavila> right now I'm focused wholly on lisp
<testuser[m]> What about ur math stuff
<noocsharp> try feeding those ideas into github copilot and see what it comes up with
<midfavila> i mean in regards to CS/programming, maths is concurrent
<midfavila> so rn I have three "sections" to my day - four hours for "generic" studies, anything that doesn't fit into the other two, and then I alternate between four hours of CS and two of math, or two of CS and four of math
<midfavila> also re: copilot maybe if I decide to a) be a microshill and b) get stuck on a problem
<midfavila> but I really want to try and come up with ideas on my own
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<testuser[m]> noocsharp: is poopilot usable for everyone now? U had to sign up for some preview thing on shithub
<noocsharp> idk, i was joking
<midfavila> oh, rip
<omanom0> to be completely transparent, i had read it as "pager" initially and thought of you, then when i noticed it was "paginator" i figured it'd still be interesting since it was a new tool against X11
<midfavila> np, it's neat regardless
<midfavila> thinking of forking/based my own window manager on glazier since it's small and well-written, gonna include some more sophisticated features in it
<midfavila> such as: iconification
<midfavila> not giving X windows invalid geometry
<dilyn> sounds like bloat
<midfavila> a better way of handling resize controls than stealing control of the root window
<midfavila> and so on
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<cem> I still can't wrap my head around writing wayland clients for some reason
<cem> Like writing an X program is ez
<cem> (A basic X program, that is)
<noocsharp> i'm the opposite, lol
<noocsharp> wayland clients are easy to understand, i never could wrap my head around x11
<cem> lol, really?
<noocsharp> well i guess i probably could if i tried, but i have no reason to anymore since i'm wayland for everything
<cem> yeah, that's the thing I no longer use X11 either
<noocsharp> i patched some suckless x11 programs, but i never paid attention to the x stuff
<cem> I have all this useless X11 information and no wayland knowledge
<midfavila> still useful on the BSDs :p
<midfavila> and minix... and any non-linux unix
<omanom> and xwayland!
<noocsharp> have you looked at the wayland book cem?
<noocsharp> it has a good high level overview of how wayland is designed
<cem> Yeah, I don't use non-linux UNIX anymore
<cem> noocsharp: Ah no I actually never saw that
<cem> Thanks!
<noocsharp> i think that's where i learned how wayland works
<cem> I previously read some resources, and examples, but I remember that they made me much more confused
<noocsharp> yeah, i remember it took a bit of effort to understand what was going on
<noocsharp> but once you wrap your head around it it's pretty simple
<cem> i see!
<noocsharp> most of wayland programming is just binding to different interfaces and registering callback structs for them
<noocsharp> i'll plug my clipboard utility again, since it's a pretty simple example of a client
<cem> Yeah, I always kind of gave up and wrote a GTK program instead :^)
<cem> Oh nice! I should check it out
<cem> I very vaguely recall you had a problem with wl-clip, what was it?
<dilyn> I've switched to it
<dilyn> it's pretty tight
<noocsharp> cem: crappy code
<noocsharp> dilyn: nice, lmk if you run into any problems
<dilyn> ofc
<cem> Okay, yeah I see
<noocsharp> and the maintainer is too busy invading ukraine rn
<dilyn> :X
<cem> Ohh
<omanom> interesting look to it
<dilyn> of course lunduke would be all over this lol
<midfavila> risc kiss when
<dilyn> glasnost is a thing already
<dilyn> so i guess... rn lol
<midfavila> Huh.
<midfavila> i'll have to look into whether or not the rest of that thing's hardware is open
<midfavila> if it is I might just get it to replace my phone
<midfavila> can't really see myself using emacs on it but for basic stuff it should be fine.
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<omanom> https://www.clockworkpi.com/devterm here's the mainboard for it
<midfavila> >USB-C
<midfavila> blegh
<midfavila> looks like everything is GPLv3 though, based
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<phoebos> ehawkvu[m]: you may not have realised but your connection is... dodgy
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<ehawkvu[m]> phoebos: I'm on 3g so that might be it
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<ax> stupid question... how apply patch -p1 < file in kiss b ?
<soliwilos> ax: You edit the build file, possibly forking the package first.
<ax> i have patch -p1 > file in build file
<ax> /home/ax/ax-kiss/build: line 3: can't open al-8.2.diff: no such file
<dilyn> list it in the sources file
<dilyn> patches/al-8.2.diff
<ax> ok. thanks dilyn ... I've been missing for some time .. and the most obvious thing escaped me.
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<ax> someone solved issue on init base and musl
<ax> ~ $ last
<ax> last: can't open '/ dev / null / wtmp': Not a directory
<ax> i compiled utmps but init base does not solve the problem
<ax> $ utmps-wtmpd
<ax> utmps-wtmpd: fatal: unable to get $IPCREMOTEEUID from environment
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<illiliti_> dilyn: testuser[m]: it seems that --single-process fixes crash
<dilyn> :thinking:
<illiliti_> could someone build chromium with debug symbols for me?
<illiliti_> personally, i can't because my calculator will blow up if i try
<dilyn> something something be sure to build execinfo
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<midfavila> i've written and debugged like 600 lines of elisp today, bluh
<noocsharp> > 600 lines of elisp
<noocsharp> there's your problem
<midfavila> thanks for pointing that out - w-
<midfavila> more that I use emacs the more elisp's syntax bugs me
<midfavila> it's like someone took the worst of scheme and common lisp and mashed them together with teco :thinking: