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<acheam>
yes
<acheam>
its in packages
<acheam>
phoebos has the same setup
<noocsharp>
was it pretty straightforward to get it set up?
<acheam>
I had trouble figuiring out SSL
<acheam>
but besides that it was fine
<phoebos>
for me it Just Werked
<acheam>
how did you generate certs?
<phoebos>
actually, it took a moment to get it to use the right certs
<phoebos>
i just used the ones i had for https lol
<acheam>
same
<phoebos>
idk if that's bad
<acheam>
they wont refresh
<phoebos>
wdym
<acheam>
s/refresh/renew/g
<cotangent>
<acheam> they wont renew
<acheam>
automatically
<acheam>
so your instance might stop working on nov 13
<acheam>
when your website cert expires
<phoebos>
oh i have acme-client in a crontab
<acheam>
oh you mean both httpd and prosody are looking at the same file?
<acheam>
I couldn't figure out how to get that to work lmao
<Guest93>
i am testing sowm and i see it has a keyboard shortcut to take desktop screenshot (src) which is and where can i find the tool, the keyboard shortcut doesn't seem to do anything. Thank you
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<GalaxyNova>
noocsharp: oof
<GalaxyNova>
why did you register at epik in the first place
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<GalaxyNova>
was it cheaper?
<noocsharp>
yes
<noocsharp>
now i know why :`(
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<dilyn>
porkbun is The Way :D down with all other options
<dilyn>
the pig is eternal
<GalaxyNova>
porkbun?
<dilyn>
domain registrar
<GalaxyNova>
ah
<GalaxyNova>
I've always used domain.com
<dilyn>
support #smallbusiness and #startups
<dilyn>
down with Big Domain
<GalaxyNova>
lmao
<Hazoune>
porkbun is the key
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<GalaxyNova>
I hate packagekit with a passion
<GalaxyNova>
I mean
<GalaxyNova>
i guess it's fine for *normies*
<GalaxyNova>
but not in a million years is it gonna make it on my computer
<testuser[m]>
Who talked about packagekit
<testuser[m]>
why do you hate it
<testuser[m]>
where did you useit
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<GalaxyNova>
testuser[m]: It's the thing fedora uses that basically adds windows-style updates to windows
<GalaxyNova>
linux*
<GalaxyNova>
windows-style updates to linux
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<testuser[m]>
What did you use fedora for
<testuser[m]>
Does anyone know if it would be possible to be running sway on tty1 and xorg on tty2 or would i have issues with both the things trying to access the gpu ?
<testuser[m]>
Ik xwayland exists but still
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<aws>
hello!
<testuser[m]>
Hi
<aws>
what's the state of kisslinuxcommunity ?
<testuser[m]>
Alive
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<omanom>
@acheam irssi is listed by suckless themselves under "software on this page should have ideas similar to the suckless philosophy": https://suckless.org/rocks/
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<ryoshu>
I have udev-zero questions
<ryoshu>
is the author here?
<omanom>
they're not online at the moment
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<testuser[m]>
ryoshu: just ask
<ryoshu>
does that monitor netlink junk must be a socket?
<ryoshu>
does libinput work?
<ryoshu>
is the implemented functionality good enough for kde/gnome/similar
<ryoshu>
is the daemon functionality implemented elsewhere, like key remapping and how does it really work in systemd? an event arrives at daemon, it mutates it and submits to a listener connected to the daemon?
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<illiliti>
ryoshu: 1. the only way to access netlink is socket, so yes
<illiliti>
2. yes
<illiliti>
3. not sure about gnome but kde should be OK
<illiliti>
4. daemon functionality is out of scope
<ryoshu>
do we need key remapping functionality to fixup / quirk devices for libinput?
<ryoshu>
For function keys mostly
<ryoshu>
is there any problem if the fd is not a socket, but e.g. named fifo
<ryoshu>
I research adding udev for !linux
<ryoshu>
so no netlink, but I can add functionality that is comparable
<ryoshu>
are there users of filtering APIs?
<ryoshu>
Overall udev-zero seems to save me half of the work
<ryoshu>
I need to replace monitor netlink with something else
<ryoshu>
and I rather want to have the daemon functionality if it is an added value
<illiliti>
udev key remapping was designed by systemd devs to fix kernel quirks in userspace. Feel free to use any other key remapping program if you need one
<ryoshu>
how would you put it between kernel and libinput differently?
<ryoshu>
I want to reuse hwdb
<ryoshu>
60k LOC of entries is a lot of work to redo
<ryoshu>
if you have a better design idea please share
<ryoshu>
like a 3rd library connected to libinput, next to libudev and libevdev
<ryoshu>
I'm not sure I really need udev startup scripts, I think it's a niche feature
<ryoshu>
but I would pick some features that give added value for libinput
<ryoshu>
I think I can also maybe put the remapping directly into libudev
<illiliti>
libinput has its own quirks feature iirc
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<ryoshu>
I think they are a different set
<illiliti>
i don't think it's good idea to do key remapping because it's completely unrelated to libudev functionality
<illiliti>
just create your own key remapping program and do it there
<ryoshu>
How would you design it reusing prior knowledge from libudev/udevd
<ryoshu>
Does it need to be a program? Can it be a library?
<illiliti>
just a program/daemon
<ryoshu>
why program?
<ryoshu>
I don't get this part.
<ryoshu>
Have you got a version of libevdev?
<illiliti>
because it doesn't need to be library
<illiliti>
what are you trying to achieve btw?
<ryoshu>
Get libudev/libevdev/libinput on !linux
<illiliti>
what is !linux? bsd, win, mac?
<ryoshu>
Keeping something close in spirit, but saner
<ryoshu>
netbsd
<ryoshu>
and as much API compatible as reasonable
<illiliti>
it's hard to port libinput to netbsd because libinput hardcodes evdev
<illiliti>
same for libevdev
<ryoshu>
For evdev I plan to add kernel support
<illiliti>
speaking about libudev, i'm already working on cross-platform alternative
<ryoshu>
new API?
<illiliti>
yes
<ryoshu>
rationale for new API, woulld it fit into existing users?
<ryoshu>
what's your progress
<ryoshu>
I mostly care about libinput
<illiliti>
i'll rewrite libinput to use new lib
<illiliti>
i'm working on enumeration API for openbsd/netbsd currently
<illiliti>
it's hard to get right because openbsd/netbsd uses static nodes
<f1>
that sounds nice
<f1>
is the code for it already hosted somewhere, or is it just an idea?
<illiliti>
the code is not public
<illiliti>
i'm still working on it
<f1>
good luck
<testuser[m]>
nice
<illiliti>
ryoshu: are you sure that netbsd devs will merge evdev support? i heard they very against any linuxisms
<ryoshu>
I'm one of them
<illiliti>
wow
<ryoshu>
I think we need to add another compat layer over wscons
<ryoshu>
and export raw keycodes
<ryoshu>
we already do it for linux / freebsd and something else compat
<illiliti>
ryoshu: do you know an API to enumerate usb/pci devices?
<illiliti>
on netbsd
<illiliti>
freebsd has devinfo for that but it uses dynamic nodes for /dev. netbsd/openbsd uses static nodes which makes things complicated