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<kiedtl> How is nuklear's accessiblity?
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<dilyn> how much do you think it would cost to sponsor mold so that the license can change :V
<testuser[m]> Hi
<dilyn> o/
<noocsharp> dilyn: did you get my patches in your email?
<riteo> hi testuser[m]!
<dilyn> which email did you send to?
<noocsharp> tutanota
<dilyn> straight to spam!
<dilyn> lol
<riteo> lol
<dilyn> i'll apply them tho thx
<noocsharp> bruh, i assumed using migadu would fix that
<dilyn> idk man tutanota is strict AF about their emails
<dilyn> "Hopefully Tutanota accepts mail from Migadu." kekw
<dilyn> I check my spam on there about once a day to clear it out because of it so I would've seen them in the morning
<dilyn> but yeah it's a little frustrating
<dilyn> hm the real question is what format does git expect these to be in for git am
<riteo> maybe the same it uses for creating them?
<testuser[m]> git format-patch ?
<dilyn> probably
<noocsharp> do you use webmail?
<dilyn> tutanota doesn't have a desktop client that would build (without dbus) and they wont' let you connect via something like aerc :\
<noocsharp> they don't support imap or pop3?
<riteo> they don't
<noocsharp> what kind of email service is that
<riteo> also iirc their client is simply a js wrapper, otherwise there would already be a simpler alternative
<riteo> noocsharp: one of those "encrypted" services, a la protonmail
<dilyn> it's like protonmail except they don't even have a bridge afaik
<testuser[m]> Lol
<riteo> I ditched it as soon as possible and switched to posteo, just 1€/month
<riteo> seriously, there hasn't been any good "free" mail service I could find
<dilyn> yeah i'm considering it
<testuser[m]> KISSmail
<dilyn> my premium expires end of month iirc
<dilyn> lol testuser yes
<riteo> testuser[m]: written in POSIX shell
<dilyn> soon(tm) life is literal chaos...
<dilyn> tomorrow, if nothing comes up during my lunch, the vps might reappear inexplicably...
<acheam> mailbox.org
<acheam> is very good
<acheam> (although proprietary)
<dilyn> f
<acheam> yay vps
<noocsharp> migadu is $20 a year, seems good so far
<acheam> they also have a student discount
<noocsharp> but you need a domain
<acheam> yes
<acheam> which you should have anyways
<noocsharp> yeah, $10 a year with student discount
<noocsharp> i'm on the trial right now
<acheam> nice
<acheam> mailbox.org is $14/yr
<riteo> a vps sounds unironically like the best option if you already have one
<acheam> but less restrictive
<dilyn> migadu's logo is an elephant??
<dilyn> sold
<riteo> based
<acheam> migadu isn't particularly transparent from what i've heard
<acheam> but you cant really go wrong with either
<noocsharp> in what way?
<acheam> posteo is fine, but no custom domains IIRC
<noocsharp> i sent them an email and they told me what software they use
<riteo> acheam: yeah that's a big bummer but with someone constrained like me this is the cheapest option I could find
<acheam> noocsharp: i dont remember exactly, but someone mentioned planned deliverability issues that they didn't disclose very well/notify about
<acheam> obviously very anecdotal
<dilyn> can't be worse than tutanota
<dilyn> they take my soon(tm) to the n^th degree
<riteo> migadu looks nice
<dilyn> it's very bad for people who are very serious/businessy with their email, but is pretty solid for a simple person who subscribes to mailing lists/does very little, only wants to read emails and not much more
<dilyn> well worth the $13/yr tbh for those purposes
<riteo> wait, what's $13/yr?
<dilyn> tuta
<riteo> oh, I see
<acheam> tuta also has a nice variety of domains to choose from
<dilyn> mmhmm
<acheam> mine was firstname@tutamail.com
<acheam> which you certainly cant get on gmail
<riteo> no domain will make you comfortable telling your email to normies
<dilyn> i wanna use the phrase "CC me at dilyn@dilyn.cc pls"
<acheam> unless your name is 2ji3ri3oir32rqoir32oij
<acheam> lmao
<acheam> "someone run me a line of 10 CCs of Dilyn in an IV, stat!"
<acheam> -- some american medical show somewhere
<dilyn> "we're losing him"
<dilyn> f
<acheam> the gnuuugle is getting to him!
<dilyn> :'(
<dilyn> they're upset that i've widdled the GPL out of this distro as much as humanly possible
<riteo> I'm still waiting for the MIT/Unlicense Linux reimplementation
<acheam> dilyn: just run openbsd
<riteo> kbs when
<dilyn> no!
<acheam> riteo: soon
<riteo> s/kbs/kbsd
<acheam> although reilistically, after january
<riteo> wait seriously
<acheam> when I am done with college aps, and I have free time again
<acheam> yes
<acheam> its really not that much to do
<acheam> kiss is just a package manager after all
<acheam> and claudia already did a ton of work on it
<dilyn> the problem with using someone else's distro is they'll just ram pango into things
<dilyn> like what they do for chromium :V :V :V
<riteo> I'm curious how well the OBSD kernel would withstand being used in non common ways
<dilyn> I feel very uncomfortable using ubuntu :|
<acheam> riteo: well i'm not planning on using just the obsd kernel
<riteo> oh
<acheam> the whole userland
<riteo> I see
<riteo> how heavy is it?
<acheam> obsd kernel + busybox ruins most of what makes obsd special
<acheam> you have to use it to understand
<acheam> but its just a really well integrated operating system
<riteo> got it
<riteo> talking about weird kernel combinations, has someone ever tried messing up with L4?
<riteo> I don't know if there are even the drivers for a common PC, but I wonder what could be done with it
<riteo> KISS-OS when?
<noocsharp> it's called templeos and it's unusable
<riteo> actually I heard someone forked it and added internet access, so I guess it's slightly more usable
<riteo> but terry must be spinning in his grave
<riteo> truly an heresy, I know
<GalaxyNova> I'm curious if it would be possible to hack KISS onto the OpenBSD or Plan9 kernel
<riteo> on openbsd for sure ig
<riteo> on plan9 I guess it depends on whether or not there is a POSIX shell there and if it doesn't have some weird mechanism messing KISS up, which it probably doesn't have but I never got past the installer lol
<testuser[m]> Just port kiss to rc
<testuser[m]> Or whatever thing they ave
<GalaxyNova> i think rc is posix compliant
<GalaxyNova> so in theory it should work
<testuser[m]> Bruh i don't wanna update this shit again
<GalaxyNova> do you unironically use chromium?
<testuser[m]> Real kiss users don't use js anyway
<riteo> based and kisspilled
<GalaxyNova> yes
<GalaxyNova> just use `curl`
<GalaxyNova> riteo: But I would unironically use a KISS-OS if it existed
<GalaxyNova> finally the possibility for 0% GPL!
<riteo> you know what
<riteo> one day I should really disappear from society for a few days in order to investigate this L4 thing properly
<riteo> it might even just last a few days, but in sessions of even a few hours I never got to properly understand the whole situation regarding alternative kernels
<GalaxyNova> riteo: did you find a good email provider
<riteo> oh yeah, I chose posteo
<GalaxyNova> oh interesting
<GalaxyNova> I was going to recommend you cock.li lol
<GalaxyNova> http://cock.li
<riteo> it doesn't have custom domains but for 1€/month I can't complain lol
<riteo> GalaxyNova: I heard that it goes down a lot
<riteo> also it doesn't have a good reputation in general regarding spam filters
<testuser[m]> I've had to re-enable js again cuz these webdevs messed up the whole menu design
<testuser[m]> idk what need they had to implement scrolling on a menu with 7 items
<testuser[m]> same with extension's settings, cant click on the button
<riteo> truly scalable ui
<riteo> thanks chrome, now I can use your browser on my 2835x5527 screen
<GalaxyNova> I wish there was a genuinely good lightweight web browser that could load most web pages and didn't take centuries to compile
<testuser[m]> felinks
<riteo> most web pages and lightweight don't go well toghether, GalaxyNova
<riteo> have you seen what most webpages look like?
<GalaxyNova> is that just another links fork testuser
<testuser[m]> yeah
<riteo> how many links fork are there
<testuser[m]> its a elinks fork
<testuser[m]> not links
<GalaxyNova> riteo: https://ubuntuunity.org/ <-- visit at your own risk
<testuser[m]> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
<testuser[m]> WTF
<GalaxyNova> ubuntu unity's website is the definition of web bloat
<riteo> HOLY FUCK
<GalaxyNova> it takes like 5 minues to load too lmao
<riteo> I'VE NEVER SEEN A PAGE CHANGE SO MUCH WHILE LOADING
<riteo> also those animations, wtf
<GalaxyNova> so.. much... css...
<riteo> it even got those flat "minimalist" and soulless pictures
<GalaxyNova> it's almost like the devs just learnt about some css animation framework and tried to pack every single element with an animation
<riteo> it's so bloated it's objectively bad
<riteo> look at that thing with pages
<riteo> it's unusable
<riteo> (is it called carousel? I can't remember)
<testuser[m]> How can something suck so bad
<testuser[m]> how
<riteo> after seeing this I want to uninstall firefox and switch to gemini forever
<riteo> now that kisslinux.org doesn't even have that "fancy" css anymore I really don't see why there souldn't be a gemini mirror for it
<riteo> s/souldn't/shouldn't/
<cotangent> <riteo> now that kisslinux.org doesn't even have that "fancy" css anymore I really don't see why there shouldn't be a gemini mirror for it
<dilyn> that site wont' even load for me lmfao
<riteo> lmao
<testuser[m]> i think kiedtl has one but its out of date
<GalaxyNova> give it a minute
<GalaxyNova> it needs to load all the css and js
<dilyn> oh no i see
<dilyn> i have to hit the x button in the top-right corner
<testuser[m]> alright i begin my felinks + ff for pozzed sites journey again
<riteo> yes, that's how you load "modern" html/css/js web pages
<riteo> testuser[m]: good luck
<GalaxyNova> testuser[m]: what features does felinks have over links
<riteo> I'm really starting to think that I should use dedicated CLIs for services I use (pretty much shithub) and try to avoid depending on firefox as much as possible
<testuser[m]> GalaxyNova: css
<GalaxyNova> If you have a job or go to school it's basically impossible to do that where i live riteo
<GalaxyNova> especailly now during the pandemic
<GalaxyNova> basically that's only feasable if you're unemployed
<testuser[m]> Yeah riteo i use shithub cli, the only site i need to login to is protonmail. And poogle for school stuff
<riteo> GalaxyNova: I pretty much only use google classroom
<riteo> if there were something like this written in C I might not need it: https://github.com/conorthedev/classroom-cli
<GalaxyNova> I wonder if someone ported plan9's abaco web browser to linux
<testuser[m]> You can be the first
<GalaxyNova> lol
<GalaxyNova> it's very integrated with Plan9's gui so it might be a pain to port
<dilyn> hm. this qemu image experienced a drastic power failure, systemd wouldn't let it boot for surreal reasons
<dilyn> attempted a fix, and in 300 seconds systemd's journal filled the entire 50GB qcow2 file with garbage.
<dilyn> fuckin' love it
<GalaxyNova> just systemd being systemd
<riteo> they did it
<riteo> they pushed systemd-backdoor
<dilyn> (:
<dilyn> absolutely useless
<GalaxyNova> systemd-backdoord*
<GalaxyNova> bc its a unix daemon
<dilyn> like i don't even know how to fix this
<dilyn> this is beyond my technical knowledge. how ubuntu sets up ZFS is a black box
<GalaxyNova> Just the other day I was wondering why an advanced distro like KISS Linux is somehow easier for me to use than Manjaro
<dilyn> because if you're competent enough, you know everything about the system
<dilyn> at least when KISS' init fails, it tells me why. it's not obfuscated by absurdities like "graphical.target failed because 'exit error'"
<dilyn> like, what the fuck does that help me with
<testuser[m]> Do it dilyn
<testuser[m]> Make canonical adopt kiss
<GalaxyNova> lmao
<dilyn> lol
<dilyn> and of course I can't open up qcow2 images in... a sane manner...
<dilyn> urgh
<dilyn> nuke and hope I remember my changes I guess...
<dilyn> super want to dual boot ubuntu on this machine so I don't have to rely on qemu for big snaps/ease of use, but they'll force grub onto this machine. and grub is a firehouse when all I want is a squirt bottle
<dilyn> even trying to use kiss-live, grub just nukes all my efivars. it's insanity
<dilyn> just... don't fucking do that, eh? pls?
<riteo> bruh
<riteo> wasn't the point of free software being in control of your machine
<dilyn> :)
<dilyn> maybe this is why wsl is so popular, eh?
<GalaxyNova> wait why are you running an ubuntu vm in the first place dilyn
<dilyn> to build a chromium snap that only uses wayland and enables pipewire for screensharing to run on my laptop
<GalaxyNova> ah
<GalaxyNova> pipewire scares me
<GalaxyNova> it's the only way for firefox to do screensharing on wayland no?
<riteo> bruh seriously?
<testuser[m]> yeah GalaxyNova i tried it yesterday didnt even work but thats probably a config issue
<testuser[m]> had to package so much crap
<dilyn> pipewire is v cool
<GalaxyNova> dilyn: You're aware that pipewire is basically just a layer on top of pulseaudio right?
<testuser[m]> it doesnt need pulse
<testuser[m]> bruh
<GalaxyNova> oh
<riteo> I didn't know that either
<dilyn> yeah it absolutely isn't that lmao
<dilyn> it's meant to replace pulseaudio
<GalaxyNova> interesting
<GalaxyNova> i didn't know that lol
<dilyn> the chromium snap is dropping pulseaudio when snap 1.51 reaches global adoption
<dilyn> READ a BOOK, NERD!
<dilyn> :P
<dilyn> testuser does this do what I think it does https://git.sr.ht/~emersion/basu
<riteo> why is it needed for screen sharing?
<testuser[m]> yeah you need either basu, elogind or systemd
<GalaxyNova> what is basu?
<testuser[m]> The sd-bus library, extracted from systemd.
<GalaxyNova> nice i guess
<testuser[m]> I dont even know what it's supposed to do
<testuser[m]> but it's needed
<riteo> way different topic, but why didn't you guys make kisscommunity.org in the style of kisslinux.org?
<testuser[m]> > Some projects rely on the sd-bus library for DBus support.
<GalaxyNova> either way I'm confident Dylan would never include pipewire in the main repository haha
<aws> i can ask him, but the answer would be no
<riteo> yeah I don't think so. My biggest question is why it's needed for videosharing in the first place
<riteo> is it just because of flatpaks?
<testuser[m]> it was just decided to use it by the protocol
<testuser[m]> so
<GalaxyNova> aws: I woudn't even bother
<testuser[m]> a request to dylan to fork every single one of these things and make them communicate via regular sockets would be more feasible aws
<GalaxyNova> How hard would it be to patch out pipewire with something else
<dilyn> it's required because pipewire was designed from the ground up to be an useful way of capturing and interacting with a variety of systems like video and audio
<dilyn> and connecting them in ways pulseaudio was supposed to, but failed to
<testuser[m]> GalaxyNova: Other stuff is hard dependant on dbus aswell, not just pipewire so its not a small task
<dilyn> pipewire provides a solid way of capturing video, and the way it interacts with dbus allows wayland to leverage it for screen capturing pretty well
<riteo> >dbus
<riteo> wait
<riteo> does it depend on dbus?
<dilyn> afaik it's basically impossible to NOT use pipewire for wayland screen capturing
<dilyn> to make it useful in this context it does
<GalaxyNova> :(
<dilyn> but you could try to build it with libdbus-stub; i did, it built
<dilyn> didn't quite run super well tho
<riteo> now I see why it isn't in KISS Linux
<GalaxyNova> we have stuff like wf-recorder so why woudn't it be possible for things like firefox to implement something like that too
<aws> Browser wayland screensharing use pipewire, using another daemon (that isn't designed to mimic pipewire) would require upstream support for them in browsers i think
<riteo> bruh
<riteo> I mean, the idea is actually pretty nice, but why does everything new and shiny have to depend on a shitton of "modern" software?
<riteo> also it was initially called PulseVideo, which I find funny
<riteo> *for some reason
<GalaxyNova> I can't see it being to hard to use wf-recorder as a backend to screensharing in firefox
<GalaxyNova> so why did the guys go with pipewire
<riteo> I guess the fact that it's: "modern", widely used and configuration independent (in a way)
<riteo> like, it does all the hard work AFAICT
<riteo> still, some sort of shim that interfaces with pipewire dependent applications and just does the bare minimum doesn't sound impossible
<riteo> unless firefox uses dbus for interacting with pipewire
<dilyn> i mean pipewire is also used for rtc reasons and wf-recorder probably isn't very good for those things
<testuser[m]> oops
<testuser[m]> wrong chat
<riteo> no worries
<GalaxyNova> I've seen someone hack `grim` in a while loop to take lots fo screenshots and then write them to /dev/video
<testuser[m]> where
<dilyn> oh i think i saw that too...
<dilyn> it was pretty dope lmao
<riteo> that doesn't sound very efficient though
<riteo> or is it
<noocsharp> could wf-recorder be used like that?
<GalaxyNova> I mean it would be very akward since chatting websites would detect the video as camera video
<riteo> that's literally how I used discord for half an year
<GalaxyNova> lol
<dilyn> I just don't know that the overhead is any better than pipewire
<dilyn> like pipewire seems pretty slim
<testuser[m]> i dont even have a /dev/video
<testuser[m]> oh i guess i need camera support
<dilyn> v4l to the rescue
<riteo> based and v4l2pilled
<dilyn> between v4l and kvm support my kernel is twice as big as I need it to be :V
<GalaxyNova> but why install something that can do advanced audio/video manipulation only for screensharing
<riteo> are you talking about ffmpeg
<dilyn> well because it's the way chromium devs implemented screensharing under wayland
<dilyn> idk
<riteo> btw talking about kernel size, do you guys think that compressing the kernel is any useful?
<dilyn> not supremely
<riteo> doing that made my disk decryption prompt blink its cursor once and as stupid as it sounds it's kinda annoying
<GalaxyNova> riteo well I use ffmpeg for a lot more than just screensharing
<riteo> nvm, I thought you actually meant v4l2
<GalaxyNova> it's basically the only way to convert between different video / audio formats
<GalaxyNova> and it's a great cli video editor
<riteo> actually I think it's the only cli video editor
<riteo> once I had to edit some simple videos having only an android phone
<riteo> I actually had to use ffmpeg on termux lol
<GalaxyNova> Is there anything actually useful on gemini?
<GalaxyNova> it seems most of the capsules are either blogs or personal websites
<riteo> not yet I think
<riteo> there are some http proxies though
<riteo> so I guess that *technically* you could live with only a gemini browser?
<testuser[m]> so basically invidious but for the pozzed web
<riteo> yeah, pretty much
<riteo> and there are some mirrors of some stuff (such as the old k1ss website). I wonder if there's a wikipedia mirror
<GalaxyNova> would be great if there were some kind forums or something
<GalaxyNova> don't know if that would be too complicated for gemini
<riteo> yeah I was thinking the same thing
<riteo> IIRC there are some sort of chat rooms that exploit the prompt feature or something like that
<riteo> probably a mailing list would be easier
<testuser[m]> Just use irc as forum
<dilyn> as long as it's logged
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<riteo> well, the point of forums is to have different discussions around the same topic at different times
<GalaxyNova> ^
<riteo> sorta like a mailing list
<GalaxyNova> gemini supports POST right?
<GalaxyNova> or something like POST
<riteo> yeah I guess so
<riteo> there is a text prompt
<riteo> GUS exists so surely, yeah
<GalaxyNova> guess that's an interesting project idea
<GalaxyNova> forum for gemini
<riteo> I wonder if it's already been done
<riteo> I wouldn't be surprised if on some obscure and unkown corner of the internet there was some forum talking about mashed potatoes on gemini
<riteo> s/was/were/
<cotangent> <riteo> I wouldn't be surprised if on some obscure and unkown corner of the internet there were some forum talking about mashed potatoes on gemini
<dilyn> that doesn't seem germane to the interprise tbh xD
<dilyn> I'm moreso imagining a bunch of *cough cough* enthusiasts screaming at clouds
<riteo> I asked that before but didn't get an answer: dilyn, why is kisscommunity.org not stylized like kisslinux.org?
<riteo> f
<riteo> sorry, wrong window
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<dilyn> because that's not the design choice jedahan went with
<dilyn> they have total control over design and direction :)
<riteo> I see
<dilyn> we still need to change the org icon...
<riteo> do you have any ideas on that?
<dilyn> i liked jedahan's lipstick emoji idea
<riteo> oh it'd be nice
<riteo> also like, symbolically
<riteo> it would be the layer on top of kiss which makes it nicer
<dilyn> exactly why i liked it : D
<dilyn> s/: D/:D/
<cotangent> <dilyn> exactly why i liked it :D
<riteo> nice :D
<GalaxyNova> interestingly enough the official kiss linux website doesn't render correctly in netsurf but kisscommunity.org does
<riteo> that's weird
<GalaxyNova> yeah
<GalaxyNova> the spacing is off
<riteo> ooooh that issue?
<riteo> does netsurf support monospaced fonts?
<GalaxyNova> uh
<riteo> kisslinux.org needs that to work, as it's basically a glorified text file
<GalaxyNova> idk
<GalaxyNova> having a community maintained wiki would be the dream
<GalaxyNova> I've started one in the website's repository but seems like no one added their packages there ;(
<riteo> oh regarding the wiki I agree
<riteo> it'd be very nice
<GalaxyNova> it would be great for it to be on the actuall website and not shithub
<riteo> well, we got a domain and a website so I don't see why not
<riteo> I'd love to see it like an edited version of kisslinux.org's one
<GalaxyNova> no luck :(
<testuser[m]> Lool
<riteo> maybe it could even install it into kiss' docs folder, to work with kiss help
<riteo> GalaxyNova: yeah, that's a font issue
<riteo> what's wrong with your font rendering btw?
<riteo> it's... Choppy
<GalaxyNova> uh
<GalaxyNova> idk
<riteo> did you downscale the image?
<testuser[m]> is this even loonix
<GalaxyNova> it's haiku running in a VM
<testuser[m]> oh
<riteo> oh
<GalaxyNova> oh
<dilyn> anything y'all wanna see on the website should be brought up on the GH repo :P
<riteo> also, thinking about it, what's kisscommunity.org's license?
<dilyn> if jedahan doesn't specify it's all rights reserved whatever bla default copyright for his country of origin
<riteo> that's kinda a bummer though
<dilyn> i mean they probably just haven't thought to add a license
<riteo> I don't know him enough to know his license tastes but if he ends up adding a license I hope it's MIT, just like kisslinux.org
<riteo> bruh dylan forgot to make github's logo white on dark mode
<GalaxyNova> what's jedahan's IRC username again?
<GalaxyNova> he should license it under MIT, dilyn would like that ;)
<testuser[m]> micr0:
<dilyn> micro_O: ?
<riteo> oh, so he is jedahan? Didn't know that
<GalaxyNova> oh ye
<dilyn> hey if the website is GPL i just won't go there :V
<GalaxyNova> lmao
<riteo> based
<testuser[m]> would you take a js site over a gpl site
<testuser[m]> like the ubuntuunity one
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<riteo> too difficult of a decision, he crashed
<testuser[m]> lol
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<testuser[m]> restarted
<dilyn> chromium has a habit of shitting the bed when qemu starts *checks notes* patching a chromium build
<dilyn> smdh
<dilyn> I don't so much care about JS or w/e
<testuser[m]> you're using a web irc client ?
<dilyn> if this system somehow manages to get infected by anything I will be literally amazed beyond all belief and recognition
<dilyn> obvi lad
<dilyn> kiwiIRC is the way
<testuser[m]> dilyn is it possible to share the webcam without pipewire stuff ?
<testuser[m]> on wayland
<dilyn> what do you mean share?
<dilyn> you can use your webcam in chromium without pipewire if that's what you're asking
<testuser[m]> ok
<testuser[m]> thanks
<dilyn> just needs the write access permissions (root:video 660)
<dilyn> is what I go with at least
<dilyn> might have to restart the browser for perm changes to get picked up but other than that I've had no issues with a webcam and external mic
<testuser[m]> so it is technically possible to redirect ffmpeg into /dev/video*
<riteo> oh yeah sure
<dilyn> i mean people have done that so i assume if you setup the write dev node chromium could read it just fine
<riteo> I always done that with v4l2
<riteo> just create a new video device with v4l2 and redirect ffmpeg through it
<dilyn> because the node is persistent and you just write an image to it every however-often... i don't know why chromium COULDN'T pick that up, in principal
<GalaxyNova> you'll get a bunch of weird reactions from people you're video chatting with though haha
<riteo> eh, it depends
<riteo> if you're in a school it isn't rare to see people using virtual webcams for all sort of stuff
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<riteo> bruh did gdb really take all my 16 GB of ram
<illiliti> riteo: cock.li is good if you don't need custom domain feature, aliases, two-factor auth, ...
<illiliti> i can give you invite code
<riteo> thanks for the offer, but now I already have a posteo account and I'm pretty comfy
<testuser[m]> bruh why's the site so edgy
<riteo> I mean, it's literally called cock.li
<illiliti> riteo: have you considered purelymail?
<illiliti> it doesn't support ipv6 but looks pretty good overall
<illiliti> purelymail.com
<riteo> wow it looks pretty nice
<riteo> I'll bookmark it, thanks
<riteo> gtg for now, cya later!
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<testuser[m]> Hmm has anyone had the issue where plugging in a usb stick shows it in dmesg, but no new block device for it is created ? Pretty sure my kernel does support the filesystem
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<Hazoune> hi
<testuser[m]> hi
<testuser[m]> Bruh why is alsa such a mystery
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<Hazoune> is anyone still using this? https://github.com/dylanaraps/bin/blob/master/x
<testuser[m]> what's the issue
<Hazoune> it is not working, only blackscreen :/
<testuser[m]> i think cem used something similar
<Hazoune> cem who
<testuser[m]> cemkeylan
<testuser[m]> nothing just pinging
<Hazoune> uhh I will find it
<Hazoune> don't know the repository specifically
<Hazoune> that's too small :o
<cem> I'm no longer using xorg though
<Hazoune> will it still wowrk?
<Hazoune> I will try it right now
<cem> I guess
<Hazoune> alright, thank you cem and testuser[m]!
<Hazoune> have a nice day :)
<dilyn> testuser: do you have all of the fun USB device driver things enabled in kernel?
<dilyn> supporting usb block devices, xhci, etcetc
<dilyn> there's a minimum of... three things, iirc
<dilyn> Hazoune: I believe a small tweak was required for dylan's script. a sleep or something
<testuser[m]> Oh i had USB Mass Storage support off
<testuser[m]> lets see if that fixes it
<testuser[m]> yeah that was it dunno who turned it off
<testuser[m]> bruh why is pipewire-media-session built as an example
<testuser[m]> i think thats why the screen sharing stuff wasnt working
<dilyn> very probably lmao
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<testuser[m]> yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<testuser[m]> it works
<testuser[m]> bruh
<testuser[m]> it need 4 daemons though... dbus then pipewire then 2 x xdg-desktop*
<dilyn> yeah :\
<travankor> dbus-less pipewire when
<testuser[m]> soon
<dilyn> lol
<dilyn> gl
<omanom> do bluetooth next!
<testuser[m]> now to setup alsa to use poopwire...
<Hazoune> dilyn: what is it? I found your repository same with dylan
<dilyn> ah, the conversation about it starts here https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210515#c8014920
<dilyn> i believe it's the same as your question at least
<Hazoune> thanks, dilyn! :D
<dilyn> :)
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<micro_O> o/
<testuser[m]> dbus can be run fine rootless right ?
<testuser[m]> hi micro_O
<dilyn> dbus should be run under its own user/group
<testuser[m]> oh
<testuser[m]> guess i can just fool it for the group stuff then run all the daemons inside a single bwrap container https://termbin.com/rydf. all killed when i exit it
<dilyn> well i say 'should', it's more like 'can'
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<akira01> Anyone with the AV1 error in mpv?
<akira01> Says my platform doesnt support hardware accelerated
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<riteo> hiiiiiiiiiiiii!
<akira01> hi riteo
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<riteo> I'll go, bye!
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<dilyn> testuser[m]: how are you building pipewire?
<dilyn> any magic tricks?
<dilyn> :O https://github.com/emersion/basu/issues/33 basu ain't even lgpl
<dilyn> s/lgpl/gpl/
<cotangent> <dilyn> :O https://github.com/emersion/basu/issues/33 basu ain't even gpl
<cem> dilyn: I've been using pipewire for a while now
<dilyn> how it be
<cem> It is pretty good
<cem> Especially compared to pulse
<dilyn> nicenicenice
<cem> dbus is an inconvenience for people trying to avoid it, though I have been using it already
<dilyn> i'm gonna play around with it at least for a bit
<acheam> traitor
<cem> me or dilyn?
<acheam> both
<acheam> although tbf, dbus isn't /that/ bad
<cem> the idea of ipc isn't, dbus is
<acheam> sure
<dilyn> xdg-desktop-portal requires glib?? cancer
<dilyn> i take back everything
<cem> What do you need xdg-desktop-portal for
<cem> Flatpak?
<dilyn> screensharing
<dilyn> that's all i wanted any of this before
<acheam> ffmpeg to an rtmp server
<cem> yeah
<dilyn> harumph
<cem> You can use ffmpeg to stream to twitch!
<dilyn> hng
<dilyn> ffmpeg is the *most* gpl tho
<cem> You can link it with openssl aka gplbegone
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