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<testuser[m]>
Hi
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<soliwilos>
Hello.
<bountyht>
Mornings, people. I am working hard at job stuff but will come later with more KISS questions
<bountyht>
:-)
<soliwilos>
Has anyone patched syslinux to remove it's boot messages? I found some really old patches and have adapted them to the newer syslinux, but there's still one message left.
<testuser[m]>
grep for the message ?
<soliwilos>
Trying to figure out what to remove, but it's a bit of trial and error.
<soliwilos>
There is still one message left, guessing it might be from a different file.
<testuser[m]>
there's 13 occurances of writestr_early so just go through the ones you havent commented out
<soliwilos>
Indeed.
<soliwilos>
I'll continue poking at it. :)
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<soliwilos>
Looks like that final message is provided by bios/extlinux/extlinux, the binary that is used to install the boot sector. Can be removed with a hex editor on that binary.
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<soliwilos>
I actually edited /sbin/extlinux, but tinkering with the sources in extlinux/ and libinstaller/ is where it's at I guess.
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<bountyht>
Stupid question, does Wayland support switching to a tty, like Xorg does via Crtl+Alt+$number?
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<illiliti>
iirc, it does
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<bountyht>
Nice
<bountyht>
Because somebody was telling me it doesn't, but I could not find any reference out there
<noocsharp>
i'm pretty sure switching ttys is a linux feature, not specific to a display manager
<bountyht>
Well I think it works on OpenBSD too :-)
<bountyht>
But I get the point
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<rio6>
x does handle it I think, judging by how when x freezes tty switching doesn't work until I do sysrq r
<acheam>
If x/wayland handles it then it wouldnt work without one of those sessions running , but it does
<bountyht>
I take people who wants to run KISS under FDE is using tinyinitramfs?
<acheam>
Yes
<acheam>
Don't know of anyone using anything else
<bountyht>
I was thinking of using some Slackware initramfs making script and wondering how portable that would be heh
<rio6>
when I say x handles it, I meant that when it is running
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<claudia>
you can switch tty when you are in a tty. So the display whatever has nothing to do with it.
<claudia>
I have no proff but suspect the getty one is using heavily.
<claudia>
*display server whatever
<illiliti>
bountyht: slackware hardcodes (b)ash and gnu coreutils in their scripts
<bountyht>
illiliti: Actually I ported the init scripts to ash back in the day
<bountyht>
when I had so much time in my hands
<bountyht>
illiliti: I am checking the repository for tinyramfs but I can't figure out how it guesses which encrypted volumes to unlock when booting FDE
<illiliti>
it's up to user
<illiliti>
there's no automation
<bountyht>
Ok, fine :-)
<bountyht>
What is "local" mode supposed to accomplish?
<bountyht>
Oh wait it liads /lib/init.sh and friends.
<trunc88>
all of a sudden its taking over a minute for the device manager to set up my keyboard and mouse at boot time and i have no idea whats going on
<trunc88>
i installed eudev for android-tools but it was working fine until i rebooted today
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<illiliti>
trunc88: probably you messed up eudev with libudev-zero
<illiliti>
eudev isn't supported in kiss linux anymore, so you're on your own
<trunc88>
thats what it kinda seems like, but i installed eudev in a subdirectory of /usr/lib to try to avoid conflicts
<trunc88>
and it worked fine for a day or 2
<trunc88>
right now im trying to use mdevd and it has the same problem
<trunc88>
i only want eudev for android-tools
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<trunc88>
i also thought it might be related to the init system changes referred to on kisslinux.org but those dont seem to have been implemented yet
<testuser[m]>
trunc88: use adb over wifi if you don't need fastboot. It won't need eudev
<trunc88>
i do need fastboot, thanks for the suggestion though
<testuser[m]>
I just use a normal live usb for the occasional fastboot stuff
<testuser[m]>
To avoid replacing with eudev just for a single task
<trunc88>
hm now theres an idea
<illiliti>
can't promise anything, but i'll try to fix this
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<trunc88>
greatly appreciated! let me know if you want any more info
<rio6>
claudia: what I'm saying is when you switch tty inside a x session, it's the xserver that does the switching
<illiliti>
the main problem is that i don't know how to reliably enumerate devices because NetBSD(and OpenBSD) still uses static nodes
<illiliti>
and there's no userspace api to do that
<rio6>
can mdev change permission for /sys/ stuff?
<illiliti>
yes
<rio6>
so for example, if I want root:video 660 on /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-eDP-1/intel_backlight/brightness, how do I do that
<rio6>
just chmod it?
<GalaxyNova>
I think that would reset on each reboot
<rio6>
*chmod it from mdev.conf
<claudia02>
rio6: I did this with chmod from inittab. So basically run that on each startup.
<bountyht>
illiliti: Which BSD are you thinking about?
<bountyht>
FOr the laptop?
<bountyht>
OK, never mind, I read that
<bountyht>
illiliti: I'd got with a second hand Dell Optiplex workstation
<bountyht>
You can get those for 80 bucks
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<bountyht>
I recently set an OpenBSD point-of-sale with an Optiplex 390 and a 5 USD used monitor.
<bountyht>
Dunno if the suggestion helps. Also, I have been studying tinyramfs and it looks very complete. Congratulations.
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<illiliti>
bountyht: thanks! very good suggestion
<illiliti>
do you know if it works with NetBSD/FreeBSD ?
<bountyht>
I have only tried it with OpenBSD
<bountyht>
But I bet it would work with NetBSD and FreeBSD
<illiliti>
nice
<bountyht>
Anyway, if you only want to play with device detection and /dev, maybe you could use **gasp** a virtualitation solution for testing
* bountyht
dodges thrown tomatoes
<illiliti>
i know. i prefer real hardware to ensure correctness