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<Guest18> I need a command that replaces all white pixels that are close to black pixels in video with black pixels
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<aaabbb> Guest18: that may be a bit difficult to do with ffmpeg, although the 'geq' filter might be able to do it
<Guest18> I tried getting right command with chatgpt and deepseek but they gave bunch of commands that always failed\
<Guest18> and it repeated giving me commands that fail, even if I told them to stop
<aaabbb> ai can sometimes give you very very basic answers about ffmpeg but it is garbage for anything that's not dead simple
<Guest18> same commands
<Guest18> so how do I remove white color inside of array of black pixels
<aaabbb> so what exactly do you want to do? any pixel that's pure white will turn pure black if it is adjacent to a black pixel?
<Guest18> I have video where kid has black pants with white letters on it
<Guest18> I want to delete letters from his black pants
<aaabbb> replacing white pixels close to black pixels won't succeed in doing that
<Guest18> that was my closest guess
<Guest18> otherwise I will have to edit picture by picture
<aaabbb> ffmpeg can't do that automatically but you can use the delogo or removelogo filters to interpolate from the surrounding pixels, but you'll need to define the position on each frame
<aaabbb> if he's staying mostly still then it should be easy, otherwise the position of the bounding box or whatever will have to move
<Guest18> he is moving a lot
<aaabbb> how long is the video?
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<Guest18> 1:13
<aaabbb> do you know anything about ffmpeg filter chains?
<Guest18> no
<aaabbb> so ffmpeg can pass video through a filter, which typically makes some kind of change to the video. like if i do "ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vf delogo=100:200:60:80 output.mp4" then a 60x80 box with the top left being at position 100x200 will be "eliminated" from the video, and the missing pixels will be interpolated based on surrounding pixels
<aaabbb> it's usually used to remove a logo
<aaabbb> but you can have multiple filters, one after the other, like "-vf delogo=100:200:60:80,delogo=400:400:20:30" would delogo two positions
<aaabbb> but you can also tell each filter when it will turn on and when it will turn off, for example if i have a 50x50 box that i want to apply the delogo filter to but i want the box to move, i could do something like:
<aaabbb> -vf delogo=100:100:50:50:enable='between(t,0,5)',delogo=100:120:50:50:enable='between(t,5,10)',delogo=100:140:50:50:enable='between(t,10,15)'
<aaabbb> that would start at 100x100 and apply delogo filter to a 50x50 box for the first 5 seconds, then the box would move to 100x120 for the next 5 seconds, then 100x140 for the next 5 seconds
<aaabbb> so you might have thousands of delogo filters, each moving the box just a little, so you would have that put in a file that contains the filterchain. it would be a pain to write it out manually so you would probably want to write a script to do it
<aaabbb> i'm sure there are simpler gui programs that make this easier btw
<Guest18> his pants has multiple logos all over it
<aaabbb> then you'd have multiple delogo filters with overlapping enable times
<aaabbb> -vf delogo=100:100:50:50:enable='between(t,0,5)',delogo=200:200:25:30:enable='between(t,0,5)',delogo=100:120:50:50:enable='between(t,5,10)',delogo=200:220:25:30:enable='between(t,5,10)'
<aaabbb> like that which has two logo boxes that both move
<aaabbb> but it's gonna be a pain to write it out manually so you'll want to script it, or use a program that does something similar for you
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<Guest18> there is literaly like 50 logo
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<aaabbb> yeah it's not going to be easy with ffmpeg
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<karuzela> hello i have some questions about license?can someone help me?
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<galad> karuzela: don't ask to ask, just ask
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<Guest46> I work in a company with dozens of computers. I have a commercial project in C#, and I would like to use FFmpeg. However, to convert a video from H.265 to H.264, I only use the Process.Start() command in my code to run the ffmpeg.exe file, which is located somewhere on the disk. I do not modify or compile FFmpeg in any way; I simply use it as a
<Guest46> separate process within my application. Of course, if the program is missing from the disk, my application will not function properly.
<Guest46> Can I still use my project commercially?
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<JEEB> FFmpeg itself is generally under LGPL, certain components that base on GPL code change that to GPL. In either case the answer is yes (neither LGPL or GPL restrict commercial usage), but I think you are asking more about closed soureceness :P
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<JEEB> if you are only using an LGPL FFmpeg binary, then you need to just provide the sources for that exact FFmpeg version (as LGPL only requires that you are able to replace that library/binary with your own). if you are using a GPL build, then the whole project is affected by GPL as the combined work requires it
<JEEB> of course, I am not a lawyer etc etc. but this is the general gist
<JEEB> the best H.264 encoder is GPL, but there are a few (both SW and HW that are available through FFmpeg and that are compatible with an LGPL FFmpeg build)
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<Guest46> I want to use my project legally, the only thing I do is run ffmpeg.exe as process.start and add a few arguments "-i - -c:v libx264 -crf 23 -preset fast -f matroska pipe:1" and the question is if I can still use my program commercially? ffmpeg would be copied by the team separately to the appropriate directories on the computers.
<JEEB> x264 is a GPL encoder, so the build would require being under the GPL license
<JEEB> (that's the "best encoder" for H.264)
<JEEB> you can still utilize it commercially, but you require bundling the source code with the installer or so, as anyone receiving the binary has the right to the combined source code as the whole combined work becomes GPL
<JEEB> an alternative is if you commercially license x264, of course
<Guest46> ok ale ja chce jeydnie uzywac ffmpeg nie chce dolaczac kodu ffmpeg do kodu mojej aplikacji?nie chce go rowniez kompilowac. jedynie korzystam z pliku ffmpeg.exe i tyle,chyba ze cos zle rozumiem?
<JEEB> you probably are saying something about not modifying the code etc etc, and that really doesn't matter :P
<JEEB> the resulting license of the build is what matters
<JEEB> if it is an LGPL build, you follow that license's requirements. if it's a GPL build, you follow its requirements
<Guest46> Ok but I just want to use FFMPEG I don't want to include ffmpeg code in my application code?I don't want to compile it either. I only use the ffmpeg.exe file and that's it, unless I misunderstand something? sorry my mistake in translate:)
<welder> I rather understand it as equivalent of "can I invoke ls and grep from my proprietary bash script"
<JEEB> Guest46: yes, but if you *expect* x264 to be there
<JEEB> your thing requires a GPL binary
<JEEB> welder: plus distribution
<JEEB> they are distributing FFmpeg
<JEEB> you have a combined work that contains FFmpeg as well as the business logic around it
<JEEB> and that FFmpeg build can either be LGPL or GPL, and as you distribute it, you follow that license
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<JEEB> if you do not want a combined work that is under GPL, then LGPL binary it is. there are non-GPL H.264 encoders available through FFmpeg, as well as commercial licensing for x264.
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<Guest46> JEEB  it doesn't have to be h264 it can be an iiny codec licensed by MIT or another free
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<ePirat> JEEB, I dont think it counts as derived work if you do XPC?
<JEEB> ePirat: I mean if your application clearly requires certain features... then I'd side with it being a combined work
<JEEB> (and the point of distribution)
<ePirat> didnt they say they do not do that? "ffmpeg would be copied by the team separately to the appropriate directories on the computers"
<JEEB> yea, but it is their distribution
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<another|> If you need to be sure: Ask a lawyer.
<JEEB> yup
<JEEB> I was just trying to point at the simple ways of following the general point of the license(s)
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<JEEB> also the person never noted how the software was utilized commercially, just that it was commercially. since distributing a combined GPL work within a company is quite different in exposure than distributing it as paid software to 3rd parties.
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<vtorri_> hello, has ffmpeg library some API to extract metadata of videos ?
<JEEB> yes
<JEEB> side data and text based metadata in various structures
<vtorri_> wouls it be in libavcodec ?
<vtorri_> or another lib ?
<JEEB> avformat for container level stuff, avcodec for stuff that requires decoding and thus stuff that you receive in the AVFrames themselves
<JEEB> yea, that is quite old and thus lacks any side data stuff :D
<JEEB> for container level stuff it's worth checking `ffprobe -of json -show_format -show_streams -i INPUT`'s output
<JEEB> then show_packets for actual packets, show_frames if the data only appears after decoding
<JEEB> because this would then tell you where that metadata (be it side data or the old style text stuff) is located
<JEEB> and then you can actually use the API
<vtorri_> thank you
<vtorri_> i'll try to use these info
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<vtorri_> i'll seeif the code is enough for my needs
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<Guest37> I have a commercial product written in C# (.NET), and I would like to run the ffmpeg.exe file as a separate process using Process.Start("ffmpeg.exe", args). FFmpeg will be distributed by another team to the appropriate directories on user computers. I will not modify FFmpeg's code in any way, nor will I compile my own version—I will use the
<Guest37> official version available on the website. Additionally, I will be converting videos using either the x264 or libxvid codec.
<Guest37> Can I use FFmpeg this way in my commercial project? I do not want to share my application's source code.
<another|> There is no official binary.
<furq> if you ship an ffmpeg binary you have to ship the source code for that binary and all the libraries it includes
<furq> whether you need to also distribute source code for your thing depends on what it does and probably on what a lawyer says
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<JEEB> whether you build your own really doesn't matter in that case, since you are anyways the one delivering FFmpeg itself onto the installed machines. just putting it as a job of another team does not make it any different to the application downloading a binary from the internet
<JEEB> also there is no official FFmpeg build
<JEEB> the closest to that are BtbN's automated builds, since he is part of the community as well as due to the build process being fully open
<BtbN> People still use xvid?
<furq> for main program read your program and for plugin read ffmpeg
<furq> i saw someone asking about libxvid not that long ago
<JEEB> furq: but then again if you specifically request GPL encoders...
<furq> does that make a difference
<JEEB> if the application only works with that, I'd say that is quite a connection
<furq> are the gpl and lgpl any different in that regard
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<JEEB> LGPL does not infect the mother program, other than the idea being that you are able to replace the provided component
<furq> i thought they were only different for actual linking
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<JEEB> IANAL so in the end one should consult a lawyer, but IMO making an application that specifically depends on GPL functionality, and only works with it does make it much closer to a combined work
<furq> well we don't know if it specifically depends on it
<JEEB> he mentioned it earlier
<JEEB> the previous time he asked the exact same question
<JEEB> and esp. if you are the one also installing that GPL binary
<furq> i didn't see him say how useless his thing is without ffmpeg
<furq> although i don't know how much that matters
<furq> i do see people say it a lot
<JEEB> > Of course, if the program is missing from the disk, my application will not function properly.
<JEEB> he started with that without mentioning x264 first
<JEEB> thus I noted that there are H.264 encoders available under various licenses that can be used through FFmpeg
<JEEB> he later then mentioned specifically adding the arguments for libx264
<Guest37> my mistake, it was not xvid but libxv9, from what I found out it's a dorm codec
<JEEB> and I also did mention that there is a commercial non-GPL license for x264
<JEEB> also one thing this person never mentioned is whether this would be distributed within a company or so, or actually externally as well. because even if the combined thing ends up being GPL, if it's just internal to the company the issues with that are much less :P
<furq> technically you're not breaking the law until you get caught
<JEEB> yes, innocent until proven guilty and all.
<JEEB> anyways, building yourself or not and modifying the code or not does not matter for LGPL and GPL I think. other licenses like I think apachev2 (?) have additional requirements if you have modified the code
<minimal> JEED: innocent *unless* proven guilty
<JEEB> :)
<minimal> "until" implies they're definately guilty, it just hasn't been proven yet
<JEEB> OK, that definitely was not my meaning.
<JEEB> just that until such time as X happens, Y is true
<furq> i don't know that it does imply that
<furq> otherwise you could simplify it to just "guilty"
<Guest37> my application will be distributed only within the company and will not be released to other people
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<JEEB> well, congrats. then you are in much simpler waters. you may want to consult a lawyer whether you are doing any distribution at all. it does not change the requirements for (L)GPL, but it is much simpler to follow those requirements even in the case that you are deemed to be doing distribution internally.
<xue> this is my problem, as soon as i try to add metadata it breaks
<xue> loses first 'f' in file:///
<xue> any reason why?
<Guest37> JEEB ok so I understand correctly that use in your application only inside the company, I will not charge any fees for using my program or using ffmpeg, from what I understood I should use the compiled version btbN ffmpeg-master-latest-win64-gpl-shared.zip, wm s ​​​​active exe applications, and they will be copied by the team in the startup
<Guest37> directories. I only run the program as a utility process. Did I understand correctly?
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<JEEB> (L)GPL does not care whether you charged anything etc etc, it only cares about distribution
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<xue> Is it something with ffmpeg?
<xue> like, if it was bash, it should break on .ogg encoding
<vtorri_> JEEB, the show_metadata program with big buck bunny vid shows nothing
<vtorri_> though i don't know if it has metadata
<JEEB> vtorri_: I did not link it, and that only reads very specifc things
<vtorri_> ok
<JEEB> as I said, look at `ffprobe -of json -show_streams -show_format -i INPUT`
<JEEB> it more or less calls the APIs for avformat (and avcodec), and outputs various things as text
<JEEB> that should also give you hints where the information will be API-wise
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<vtorri_> JEEB, it outputs some tags, yes, i'll look at the prog, thnks
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<Guest3> @jeeb i read license include to ffmpeg-master-latest-win64-lgpl.zip and found section   3. Object Code Incorporating Material from Library Header Files. I don't understand the part where it says layouts and accessors, or small macros, inline functions and templates
<Guest3> (ten or fewer lines in length), you do both of the following: what does mean ten or fewer lines in lenght ?is it about my code or is it about calling ffmpeg.exe from my program? in my program it is simple because I simply call the program via process.start(ffmpeg.args)
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