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<BBB>
it may not be for you, but many users love this sort of stuff
<BBB>
think of it as marketing
<elenril>
it's objectively worse
<BBB>
that's an opinion. I like the look of it
<elenril>
"i like the look" is an opinion
<elenril>
"it's twice the size and has less information density" is an objective fact
<elenril>
we don't do marketing, we do technology
<sfan5>
but you need to market the technology
<elenril>
do we?
<elenril>
we control the market already
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<sfan5>
it's also e.g. for attracting new devs
<Lynne>
its modern alright, there's 2/3rds of a horizontal screen being unused
<Lynne>
these days I mostly browse on my vertical screen as a result, even though it looks awful for text because pixel groups are the wrong way
<elenril>
sfan5: I'd like to attract devs who care about technological excellence, not latest fads
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<sfan5>
well I agree the design could be less "look at this app this guy from SF just coded up on his macbook"
<sfan5>
otoh maybe moving away from mailing lists would do more in that regard ;)
<kasper93>
attracting new devs << I wouldn't want to atract new devs based on some marketing landing page fluff
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<kasper93>
I think attracting new devs is not a problem, the problem is working with them, I think it is quote common quote that you can find in multiple forks of ffmpeg
<kasper93>
> I gave up getting the patches into ffmpeg
<JEEB>
yea improving that part of the development experience for both contributors and reviewers is one of those things that could have nice gains
* Sean_McG
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<BBB>
elenril: "we control the market" is what a monopolist would say
<BBB>
I acknowledge that what I say is just an opinion, but when it comes to this, I disagree with you
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<elenril>
you say it like it's a bad thing
<BBB>
being a monopolist?
<elenril>
yes, whatever you mean by that word
<BBB>
depends on whether you're the monopolist or its competitor
<elenril>
we have an effective monopoly and IMO we have very little need to market to the kinds of people swayed by the shiny
<Lynne>
we don't have a monopoly
<Lynne>
gstreamer is sadly the more preferred option on linux
<elenril>
IME we don't really compete in the same markets
<elenril>
or "markets"
<JEEB>
at least gstreamer seems to be the thing that apparently gets you €€€ in multimedia consulting
<BBB>
and remember gpac "sharing" our NAB booth?
<BBB>
it's nice that everyone uses ffmpeg, but if all the money goes to gst and gpac, then ... maybe we're doing something wrong after all
<BBB>
and yes I believe marketing affects $$$
<elenril>
I don't disagree that eating gstreamer's lunch would be good, but I'm not convnced this is an effective way to do it
<elenril>
nor that chasing all the $$$ at any cost is in the project's best interests
<JEEB>
yea. it was just mentioned because clearly in the multimedia landscape there are other things. of course many of them also utilize avcodec etc as modules. also nowadays a lot of decoders and encoders are in their own projects (dav1d being the best example of that)
<JEEB>
so we're one of the major frameworks for multimedia, but I don't think we have a monopoly
<BBB>
Lynne has always said he doesn't think dav1d should be its own thing
<BBB>
sorry, she
<BBB>
(autotypo, screw me)
<BBB>
and I Think she's right, in a way
<elenril>
it obviously should be merged into lavc
<elenril>
and it is going to happen
<BBB>
perhaps yes maybe /me runs
<elenril>
I'm also wondering about merging libx264
<BBB>
someone's on fire today
<BBB>
shall we also merge avm?
<JEEB>
> research code
<elenril>
aom?
<elenril>
or is that something else
<JEEB>
avm is aom2
<JEEB>
or aom-ng
<elenril>
eeew
<BBB>
avm, the model for av...next
<BBB>
you're not allowed to say av2 yet, it's a secret name
<BBB>
I guess the real question is ... if we make a decoder for avnext, should it be in dav1d or should it be its own project?
<BBB>
(before someone merges it in ffmpeg, ofc)
<elenril>
the point is that x264 is stable, widely used, and has little activity these days
<jamrial>
but it's gpl
<elenril>
we do have gpl code
<Lynne>
its not key code, its mostly just asm
<BBB>
how much $ to relicense?
<BBB>
we've relicensed filters
<Lynne>
ask jdarnley
<JEEB>
x264 is already under dual licensing structure, so I'm not sure if there was community benefit for it being LGPL instead of GPL
<jamrial>
BBB: too many contributors
<JEEB>
LGPL would mostly allow closed source applications to utilize it, which they can already do with the commercial licensing option
<jdarnley>
I did once agree to relicense my contributions to yadif to allow it to be LGPL. These days I might only agree to AGPL
<elenril>
stick it to da man
<jdarnley>
I think I agreed to the change for 1000 eurobucks so that might be the ballpark figure for a few assembly functions
<jdarnley>
For relicensing all of x264 I'd say itd be over a million. And anyone with amount of cash might as well just buy it outright.
<Lynne>
what about the flac enc asm?
<jdarnley>
That's gpl
<Lynne>
yeah, wasn't that the question?
<jdarnley>
"How much to relicense that?"
<kasper93>
funny, how you say ffmpeg has monopoly, but clearly does not control the market. I guess definition of "monopoly" may differ for you.
<courmisch>
eh, no fair having the trolls during office hours so I can't particiate
<courmisch>
+p
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<Marth64>
new website prototype is nice but idk seems too marketing-ish
<Marth64>
+ js framework nightmares
<Daemon404>
that's because it is a cookie cutter San Francisco Startup website
<JEEB>
^
<Marth64>
yes not my thing
<Marth64>
but its visually appealing, i don't deny
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<Lynne>
...if we were a san francisco startup, what would the lobby contain, and what would the fridge be filled with?
<Daemon404>
vc money, and vc money
<jdarnley>
A scuplture of the zig-zag and ... white claw monster?
<Sean_McG>
Perrier water?
<courmisch>
reminds me, if I had kept all my NVDA stock, I would have $12M now (pretax)
<courmisch>
oh well
<Sean_McG>
courmisch: wow, damn
<jamrial>
Lynne: a huge couch in the form of the logo
<courmisch>
could retire and do OSS for the rest of my career
<JEEB>
yea, it has risen during the last 10 years quite a bit
<courmisch>
in total, I got 3000+ units over 4 years
<jamrial>
last year was the biggest jump afaik
<courmisch>
but those were divided by 40 since then
<Daemon404>
biggest jAImp
<jamrial>
yeah
<Lynne>
I'd vote for a rat maze in the form of an ffmpeg logo, and the fridge would be filled with ayran
<courmisch>
I should sue the guy who caused me to be fired
<elenril>
huh, intel stock sure looks bad
<courmisch>
isn't stock supposed to go up when you announce layoffs?
<Marth64>
retro computing museum to run fate test on old architecture?
<courmisch>
how about museum runs FFmpeg 7 and we remove historical CISC architectures like x86-64?
<courmisch>
also isn't Intel's foundry business swmimming in government monies?
<jamrial>
courmisch: yes, but also down when news that half your the chips in the market are fautly
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<courmisch>
jamrial: old news
<courmisch>
besides, CISC is faulty by design :D
<jamrial>
risc propaganda
<JEEB>
risky risque risc
<Daemon404>
better than CRWD
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<cone-508>
ffmpeg Roman Arzumanyan master:bcea693f75da: avcodec/cuviddec: more accurately guess probed sw pixel format
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<cone-508>
ffmpeg Zhao Zhili master:670ff6c7ce0c: avcodec/nvenc: rework on DTS generation
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<cone-508>
ffmpeg Rémi Denis-Courmont master:afd45c7ff74c: lavc/h264dsp: stick R-V V biweight to 16-bit
<cone-508>
ffmpeg Rémi Denis-Courmont master:677f28b310ac: lavc/h264dsp: stick R-V V weight to 16-bit precision
<cone-508>
ffmpeg Michael Niedermayer release/7.0:f2145744a2e2: avformat/iamf_parse: Check for 0 samples
<cone-508>
ffmpeg Michael Niedermayer release/7.0:8b0cf8ab3174: avcodec/utils: apply the same alignment to YUV410 as we do to YUV420 for snow
<cone-508>
ffmpeg Michael Niedermayer release/7.0:679a572e44e5: avcodec/snow: Fix off by 1 error in run_buffer
<cone-508>
ffmpeg Michael Niedermayer release/7.0:e3a61e910306: Update for 7.0.2
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<cone-508>
ffmpeg Rémi Denis-Courmont n7.0.2:HEAD: lavc/h264dsp: stick R-V V weight to 16-bit precision
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