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<cruxbot> [contrib.git/3.7]: zjstatus: initial commit, version 0.9.1
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<remiliascarlet> English internet is unusable because of Javascript, Cloudflare, or massive amounts of bloat. Japanese internet is unusable because of reCAPTCHA being used everywhere for no reason whatsoever. And then you wonder why we can't have any alternatives to Chromium or Firefox.
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<SiFuh> :-P
<remiliascarlet> Even on just a 1 page static HTML/CSS document, you get reCAPTCHA embedded.
<SiFuh> Yeah, I was complaining to myself about one today. It was a picture of some stupid car with a green line drawn behind it that zig zags a path it imaginarily drove around fake buildings and you need to click the beginning of the path before you can continue. I was thinking to myself. WTF?
<remiliascarlet> And good luck getting through these stupid captcha's while using Tor.
<remiliascarlet> And it's coming from the same people who always tell you how important privacy is, which are also the same people who will tell you they have "nothing to hide".
<SiFuh> I have a friend that spams me with tiktok videos. If I try view them, there is always some verify you are human crap. If I use yt-dlp I can get the video. So I wonder why a robot program can get it but a human needs to go through some bullshit to see it.
<remiliascarlet> Or use something like Proxitok. For example: https://proxitok.privacydev.net/@shelbykennedy73/video/7288121948469513518
<remiliascarlet> By the way, Proxitok requires no Javascript to be run, like every other good website.
<SiFuh> You mean like this website ?
<SiFuh> I remember he was boasting about how he wrote this in VI and there are no fancy JS or whatever
<remiliascarlet> 1 cookie, 1 CSS, 24 images, and 1 JS script hosted on his own website, plus 1 CSS + 1 JS on maxcdn.bootstrapcdn.com, plus 1 JS on code.jquery.com, plus 1 image on www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net, plus 1 JS on www.google-analytics.com.
<remiliascarlet> Sorry, but doesn't cut it.
<SiFuh> eh
<farkuhar> remiliascarlet: are you using Internet as a synonym for World Wide Web? There are other protocols besides http(s) that offer plenty of content nowadays. Gemini is gaining traction, and Gopher is seeing a resurgence.
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<remiliascarlet> farkuhar: And FTP and SSH and XMPP and Telnet...
<remiliascarlet> farkuhar: I love Gemini, but to be real, who even uses it?
<remiliascarlet> It was the same problem I had with Tor when I was looking to switch to exclusively using .onion websites. Even though Tor is still over HTTP, barely anything is available on it.
<remiliascarlet> And if you try to use online banking over Tor, you'll be treated like some evil black hatter.
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<magnahelix> remiliascarlet: I'd imagine that to happen. Random exit nodes and rapidly changing routes makes financial institutions highly suspicious of who's logging in with credentials.
<farkuhar> "barely anything is available on it" <- I call that a feature, not a bug. The small-web protocols have just enough content to be valuable, without overwhelming the user in a sea of distractions.
<magnahelix> Getting the impression that the internet is becoming a smaller place. More and more content is squeezed onto a smaller number of platforms.
<magnahelix> The amount of content is off the charts.
<magnahelix> It's just more concentrated and centralized.
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<remiliascarlet> Which is what makes it really sad.
<remiliascarlet> The more centralized, the more likely it is for monopolies to grab all the power, and as it has been shown every single time, they will.
<remiliascarlet> IE once had a monopoly over the browser space, and Microsoft had the ultimate power to make it as difficult as possible for Linux users to browse the internet, and they did.
<remiliascarlet> Now it's Google and Mozilla (which is almost entirely financed by Google, so they're technically owned by Google anyway).
<remiliascarlet> YouTube (Google) has the monopoly on video sharing platforms, to the point that "YouTube" became synonymous to "videos you can watch online", leaving alternatives almost contentless.
<remiliascarlet> Android and iOS (Google and Apple) control the entire mobile space, so much so that more and more websites stop being websites, and instead are slowly becoming just a landing page for "download our app from the Google Play Store or Apple App Store".
<SiFuh> And the Central bank prints money for all the different countries around the world! :-P
<SiFuh> Haha
<remiliascarlet> Discord controls the entire chat space, so much so that it has completely killed online forums, and online communities are now all behind a walled garden.
<SiFuh> Youtube works awesome in Lynx.
<remiliascarlet> It's only a matter of time before Cloudflare controls the entire HTTP(S) clearnet.
<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: You mean though the privacy frontends? Because the official frontend relies on JS, which Lynx doesn't support.
<SiFuh> :-) See it works perfectly
<remiliascarlet> Lynx is the best web browser.
<remiliascarlet> Only if websites these days weren't so fucking bloated though...
<SiFuh> Back in early 2K when I was working in Thailand, I hated Thai websites. Always 2 mile long pages with flashing text and animations and all soughts of memmory chewing bullshit.
<remiliascarlet> Here's a privacy frontend for the news section of Mixi (think of it as Japanese MySpace, but with some active users), try to load it in Lynx, it's almost like viewing it from a Gemini browser! https://mixi.076.moe/
<remiliascarlet> Or as Richard Stallman prefers to say, but with some active useds.
<SiFuh> Gemini browser?
<SiFuh> You mean like Bombadillo or something?
<remiliascarlet> No, this is on the HTTP net.
<remiliascarlet> I just say if you browse it with Lynx, it's almost like if you were browsing a Gemini capsule.
<SiFuh> Lynx could/can open gemini sites right?
<remiliascarlet> But for Gemini proper, I use Amfora.
<remiliascarlet> The reason is because I have configured my shell to launch Lynx via Proxychains, so that I can browse the Tor network via Lynx.
<SiFuh> Sorry not gemini, it supports gopher protocol
<SiFuh> Lynx and tor? How are you going to look at pictures of the really cool US RPG's for sale that were sent to Ukraine and are now for sale online?
<remiliascarlet> That's not my use case.
<SiFuh> Hehe
<remiliascarlet> Tor is the only anonymizer that is not a scam.
<remiliascarlet> Speaking of selling rolling playing games to Ukraine, I'm really enjoying the Israel vs Palestine thing, because it's all left-on-left violence, because the left can't decide whether they want to be an islamophobe or an antisemite, and they cancel each other regardless of which side they pick.
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<remiliascarlet> SiFuh: Can't open Twitter links, now that Elon killed Nitter.
<SiFuh> yt-dlp ;-)
<remiliascarlet> So Twitter is no longer behind a login wall?
<SiFuh> Direct links are not
<SiFuh> But if you wish to see content or poke around then yes
<SiFuh> content/comments*
<SiFuh> I don't have and will probably never have a twit...err account
<remiliascarlet> Oh, because last time I heard about it was that the entire site required a login, so I immediately deleted all the RSS feeds from companies and artists I followed via Newsboat.
<SiFuh> Good move. They probably won't work anymore anyway.
<remiliascarlet> That video is so fast pased, I don't really understand what it's about.
<remiliascarlet> Yeah, once I was no longer able to get RSS feeds from them, I checked if they maybe have a Fediverse account or their own websites, and if not then they just didn't exist anymore to me.
<SiFuh> remiliascarlet: It has subtitles
<remiliascarlet> This actually led me to realize that the fewer people I follow, the more time I can reallocate to actually important things, like game development or finally getting myself to learn the 3D math I have been unable to learn for 12 years now.
<remiliascarlet> I know it has subtitles, but the whole context is too fast to understand.
<SiFuh> Yeah, when I remvoed all my anti social media I found I had more time to drink beer and do nothing
<SiFuh> remiliascarlet: Click the gear icon and slow the speed down. I do that a lot for my wife.
<remiliascarlet> What gear icon?
<SiFuh> The one at the bottom of the video
<SiFuh> Unless you downloaded it then you need to use what player you have to slow it down
<SiFuh> When I set video to speed 0.5X reminds me of people talking that are stoned on weed
<remiliascarlet> I opened the URL directly in MPV.
<SiFuh> Ahh mpv you use the [ for slow and ] for fast
<remiliascarlet> Not even yt-dlp. Well, MPV technically uses yt-dlp to stream videos into it.
<remiliascarlet> Sometimes YouTubers can be cringe. "Leave your phone at home, and get yourself to nature", says every boomer ever while walking around a city with a phone in their hand.
<SiFuh> Yep, funny you said city. Because that is the only time I take my phone out in public.
<remiliascarlet> I have the habit of leaving my tracking device, sorry I mean phone at home at all times.
<SiFuh> I carry it with me when I go to Kuala Lumpur.
<remiliascarlet> If I need internet on the go, I just bring my laptop and a portable WiFi router with me, turn the router on when I need it, and turn it off and take the battery out when I don't.
<SiFuh> I don't need internet. I just need a pub
<remiliascarlet> And I'm more of an indoor type anyway, and my dayjob is entirely remote, so I rarely even leave my home.
<SiFuh> My contact list is empty. I just remember the phone numbers in my head. Just like I have always done. For the numbers I can't remember, I write them down in my address book. With a pencil. NEVER a pen. Just in case they change phone numbers or email addresses
<remiliascarlet> I don't know anybody's phone numbers to begin with.
<remiliascarlet> Want to contact me in private, I'll assist you into creating an XMPP account and installing whatever program or app you need to use it. If you want to join a group, we have IRC for that. Otherwise, I have email.
<remiliascarlet> That's literally all I have.
<SiFuh> Telegram messenger
<remiliascarlet> Yeeeeeee... I don't trust that one.
<SiFuh> Reason why?
<remiliascarlet> Anything that requires a phone number to use or sign up is a massive red flag. Telegram's server side is completely proprietary. Telegram's client is Electron, which has way too many moving parts, which as a low level hacker makes me really uncomfortable, no way to self host a server (because it's proprietary).
<SiFuh> remiliascarlet, what I didn't like was it recognizes my satellite phone number but will not allow it because it knows it isn't android.
<remiliascarlet> The other thing is that my phone runs neither Android nor iOS, so anything that requires a smartphone is a big no-no.
<remiliascarlet> I just have a PinePhone running postmarketOS, which is perfectly fine for my use case.
<SiFuh> I just have a pocket knife, a passport and BMX :-P Hahaha
<remiliascarlet> I don't think you can make phone calls with any of these.
<remiliascarlet> "I tried to make a phone call, but then I lost my ears."
<SiFuh> You lost your ears! So that means you couldn't see the numbers you were typing?
<remiliascarlet> This is assuming your pocket knife is your phone.
<remiliascarlet> "Haha, funny! Assuming... Ass cuming..."
<remiliascarlet> Bad joke.
<SiFuh> It's from an old Sesame Street cartoon. They were saying if you had no nose you can't smell and no tongue you can't taste and so on.. Then he was asked if you had no ears, and he said "I wouldn't be able to see". Confused look and asks why. He said "Without my ears holding up my hat, my hat would fall down over my eyes"
<remiliascarlet> By the way, do you think HyperbolaBSD will overtake OpenBSD in terms of security and free software, or do you think it'll be more of a meme OS?
<SiFuh> I think it will be gone soon enough.
<remiliascarlet> It's currently still a GNU/Linux-libre distro, but since Linux kernel 6.1 they got so tired of the direction Linux is going into, they decided to become a BSD OS.
<SiFuh> Really? How did they last that long. I got tired of the direction after 3.x
<remiliascarlet> Dunno, I never tried Hyperbola before.
<remiliascarlet> But they seem to be the only Linux distro who managed to remove the dependency on D-Bus.
<SiFuh> ANd now even the Linux Kernel ;-)
<SiFuh> Hope they succeed but doubt they will
<remiliascarlet> Something I did find rather cringy was their removal of PHP. Not for security reasons, but for 1 clause in their license that restricts developers from using the word "PHP" in their project's name. Honestly, with the exception of phpMyAdmin and phpBB, I don't know any PHP codebase that does that, especially given the very negative image of PHP.
<remiliascarlet> Python devs always prefix their projects with "py", Go devs often prefix with "go", and rust often suffix with "rs", but even without this requirement, I highly doubt you'd one day see a "phpWordPress" CMS system, or a "phpMyEcommerse".
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<SiFuh> I need ops!
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<cruxbot> [core.git/3.7]: meson: 1.2.3 -> 1.3.0
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<disapper3nce> for people that made their own distro, how hard is making an indepedent lfs and src based distro. And how long would it possibly take
<disapper3nce> I want to experiment and make a minimalistic distro like crux and kiss linux in my free time.
<SiFuh> Not long but if you want a super easy start you will need to create your first build inside another distro, and bootstrapped
<SiFuh> Your first and most important goal is a kernel with a working core of your design
<disapper3nce> thanks, can you list the basics on creating a distro
<SiFuh> Actually, I think the scripts for Jaeger's ISO build is actually your best option
<disapper3nce> from my understanding, making a distro is more like choosing things instead of actually writing.
<disapper3nce> SiFuh: i'll look into it
<SiFuh> https://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=tree;h=614c77fb70760ce711faea6c2234f2e8487ff186;hb=614c77fb70760ce711faea6c2234f2e8487ff186
<SiFuh> Like I said, you make your core and your kernel. So basically you focus 100% on that
<SiFuh> Once you are happy, you add to it later
<disapper3nce> thank you so much.
<SiFuh> To be honest, I think CRUX has the most simplistic core. With a couple of exceptions
<SiFuh> So CRUX and LFS are a good beginning
<disapper3nce> yea, I am also looking into things like kiss linux, and oasis linux. But I guess that I will start with LFS
<SiFuh> Have you chosen an INIT yet?
<disapper3nce> not yet, I will probably choose sinit
<SiFuh> Yeah
<SiFuh> That is the one I'd choose also
<SiFuh> I have to ask, and I apologise in advance
<disapper3nce> from my understanding core is mainly rc scripts, and coreutils along with some system managing scripts. Please correct me if I am wrong
<disapper3nce> SiFuh: what?
<SiFuh> Why disapper3nce and not disappear4nce?
<SiFuh> Core is the foundation of a basic system.
<disapper3nce> lol, I actually miss spelled disappearance and added some numbers in the name. (I suck at english, and I am not native english speaker)
<SiFuh> A basic system boots, requires some scripts and has some _core_ programs, a bare minimum useful system. Any part of that missing will cause the system to become useless
<disapper3nce> thanks
<SiFuh> I could never understand why CRUX at bare minimum has SSH but a hackers distro like Parrot doesn't
<disapper3nce> I would probably change my nick to disappear4nce in the future lol
<disapper3nce> SiFuh: lmao, I also don't understand why devs included mutt in the setup ncurses script
<SiFuh> Just teasing, you can keep it whatever you want
<SiFuh> disapper3nce: Kind of agree even as a mutt user
<SiFuh> I remember when I first discovered lynx was part of OpenBSD core and thinking it was really strange. Then when they removed it from core I was thinking and still thinking, that was strange ;-)
<SiFuh> BBL got some walls to start painting.... ewww
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