<remiliascarlet>
In a nutshell: NetBSD had by far the most amount of kernel bugs, OpenBSD the least. Then he reported it, OpenBSD took a week to respond, and fixed it immediately. FreeBSD responded in a week, and fixed almost none. NetBSD fixed instantly in their CVS, but didn't bother patching any NetBSD systems (at the time that presentation was held).
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: OpenBSD doesn't like things broken
<remiliascarlet>
Anything breaks eventually. I would rather say they're quick to fix broken things.
<remiliascarlet>
They release only once every 6 months, but they do have a whole security patching system which they release as soon as there's a problem.
<SiFuh>
Yeah, syspatch is awesome
<SiFuh>
Shame that video is only 480p quality
<SiFuh>
The last video he did was 4 years ago, according to youtube
<remiliascarlet>
I don't think it's the original source. Right before sharing the link, I saw the exact same video posted to 3 different channels.
<SiFuh>
Yeah but the last was DEF CON
<SiFuh>
Probably the same speech repeated at another event
<SiFuh>
I just wish these guys could speak properly. Saying um, ahh, err when speaking is so annoying
<remiliascarlet>
Same speech, same background, same crowd, same timing of the crowd reacting to the same presentation, same video duration... Yeah, totally not the same event.
<SiFuh>
Same noises like a seal begging for a fish between words?
<remiliascarlet>
If I were to make demands, it would be to keep the presentations more on point. The whole video is 58:11 minutes long, I'm sure the length could be shortened by at least 20 minutes if you'd cut out all the offtopic stuff.
<remiliascarlet>
And if it has to be so long because it's a requirement, you can always allocate more time for the QA session.
<SiFuh>
And another 10 minutes off the 20 if you cut out the speech defect noises
<remiliascarlet>
But that one can't be helped.
<SiFuh>
Can if he practices to speak properly
<remiliascarlet>
To be honest, hackers aren't quite known for their ability to speak like a salesman.
<remiliascarlet>
Even though companies looking for programmers do expect you to speak better than perfectly.
<remiliascarlet>
"I know you've contributed security fixes to the Linux kernel several times, your portfolio includes many great contributions to big name FOSS projects billions of people are using, but you said "umm..." 3 times during the interview, therefore you're not the right candidate."
<SiFuh>
When I was a kid, I was walking down the street to the shops and was confronted by a camera crew. They told us they were on some show on some station and they were doing a test to see if you can say your life story in 30 seconds or 1 minute, can't remember how long without saying "umm, uhh, ahh or err". When my mother did it. They said that they were amazed because no one yet has been able to do it. Then they
<SiFuh>
asked me if I am as good as my mother. I also did it and they were saying some bull about it and off we went. When the show aired on TV they hadn't played the part where my mother or I did our bit. Then they said that they could find no one that cat speak without saying it. My mother was mad as hell
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: And OpenBSD back in the day
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: that would be how I'd do it. :-P
<remiliascarlet>
Women tend to talk a lot more and faster than men, so makes sense.
<SiFuh>
The funny thing was is that my mother use to always say these filler noises. My father use to say loudly UMMMM when ever my mother was talking and she was saying it. It annoyed my mother so much she changed her speaking habits. Because my father did it so much, he ended up training himself to speak that crap now. Hahaha
<remiliascarlet>
The other day I had to make a phone call to my ISP, a woman picked up, and she kept talking and talking for no reason, then she transfered me to a man, and he was more like "tell me what you want, and I'll answer as directly as possible".
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Sounds like my international call to the bank. I was on the phone for just over an hour. She was gossipping about Netherlands and Covid and all sorts of things.
<remiliascarlet>
Why Netherlands of all places if you're a Thai in Australia?
<SiFuh>
An Australian in Malaysia. She was telling me about her travels in the Netherlands and how it had to be cut short because of the international house arrest for the fake pandemic
<remiliascarlet>
Reminds me of my time in Belgium, a Japanese travelling to Belgium, only to end up in a debate about American politics.
<remiliascarlet>
Oh, I thought you were from Thailand, and live in Australia. That's how I understood it when we last talked about it.
<SiFuh>
Hahaha. In China I would often be asked if Taiwan should be independent or does it belong to China. Never get into that argument. I always say it should belong to New Zealand
<SiFuh>
I lived and worked in Thailand for years
<remiliascarlet>
"Never get into that argument. I always say it should belong to New Zealand" Yeah, probably the smartest move.
<SiFuh>
I often wonder why insignificant people even care about topics like this. Why should they care about a far away land when they live and work in Shanghai and will probably never leave the city their entire life, and it is not like they can't just fly over there for a vaccation
<SiFuh>
What is this youtube.owacon.moe ?
<remiliascarlet>
A privacy frontend for YouTube.
<remiliascarlet>
The reason why I pick this one is because it's the most stable one for me.
<SiFuh>
I want an "umm" filter for youtube. Hahaha
<remiliascarlet>
You can probably fork SponsorshipBlock and alter the code a bit.
<SiFuh>
That snivelling, squirmy, slimy, creepy worm Bill Gates always uses filler words. More than most people!
<remiliascarlet>
I wonder if he's the voice behind Kermit the Frog.
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<SiFuh>
Kermit has a better command of the language though
<SiFuh>
"The maintainers of various BSDs should talk more among each other". I don't think that will ever happen. That usually starts verbal wars.
<remiliascarlet>
I know that: 1) Dragonfly BSD got forked from FreeBSD over a disagreement, and OpenBSD got forked from NetBSD for the same reason. 2) Theo absolutely roasted FreeBSD for not having any security mitigations at all, and the OpenBSD team made fun of FreeBSD for having a COC.
<remiliascarlet>
Well, Dragonfly BSD is the one I know the least about out of the 4, other than they have their own HAMMER file system.
<remiliascarlet>
That's just FreeBSD with a pre-configured desktop, right?
<SiFuh>
I was playing around with it the other day on a Ryzen 9 and I loaded up a crypto miner and within seconds the temperature reached 101 Celsius and the laptop shut down. I tried it again 3 more times, so in total it shut down every time.
<remiliascarlet>
I think what made me stay away from it is either their support for Burn Loot Murder, or their "get the jab" stuff. Can't remember which, but it was either of the 2.
<SiFuh>
https://fuguita.org/ I tried this as well but could never get it to boot
<remiliascarlet>
Same here.
<SiFuh>
Something like this would be great for testing hardware at the shop before buying
<remiliascarlet>
I prefer upstream systems over the downstream distributions, simply because upstream just works.
<SiFuh>
Do you know where in China this guy in the video lives?
<remiliascarlet>
He left China back in 2019
<remiliascarlet>
He used to live in Shengzen before that.
<remiliascarlet>
And he did so since 2006.
<SiFuh>
I left in 2008 and then my room mate called me up a few weeks later telling me the police came to her home looking for me. They were kicking everyone out of China regardless of visa status because the Olympic games was coming
<remiliascarlet>
He once talked about that too.
<SiFuh>
I have never been to Shenzhen but it was one of the places I had planned to go. When I went to apply for a new visa they said I cannot apply in Malaysia anymore. I have to fly back to Australia and apply there. So I never went back to China.
<SiFuh>
I lived in Chengdu, nice place, then moved to Shanghai, and that place was awesome. Then Xiamen, then back to Shanghai.
<remiliascarlet>
I visited a lot of places on earth, but never actually lived overseas.
<SiFuh>
Good old days when Wi-Fi was WEP and you could hack free Wi-Fi all day.
<remiliascarlet>
But if there's one place I would like to live outside of Japan if I were to live overseas, that would be Taiwan.
<remiliascarlet>
Taiwan is like the Kansai area of Japan, but Chinese.
<SiFuh>
I'd rather become stateless and live in the jungles of North-Western Myanmar with the other stateless Nepalese Ghurka. :-P But that will never happen. Too many connections.
<SiFuh>
I would like to return back to Khon Kaen and live their for the rest of my life.
<remiliascarlet>
When I saw one of the music videos by WORLD ORDER when they performed in Taipei, I actually thought it was somewhere in Japan at first.
<SiFuh>
Wasn't Taiwan part of Japan before Chinese moved there?
<remiliascarlet>
The video I just linked to addresses lots of Japan-specific societal problems that nobody else seems to do so. I think we need more people like that for these issues to finally get fixed.
<SiFuh>
That Japanese/Tawian video?
<remiliascarlet>
That video is more on the positive side, but if you look at his channel as a whole, you'll see what I mean.
<SiFuh>
I got FuguIta to boot, on a non-UEFI system
<SiFuh>
But then it kernel panic'd
<brian|lfs>
what a crappy job wrting ports for all of xorg-lbis lol
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I was watching the How Japan's Sexlessness Affects Its Women video from that guys site and some of the things they are saying are quite shallow. The latest one I saw was she didn't want to cheat on her husband because she saw it destroy her friends life and her friend got a divorce. But then later she is saying that she became a porn star. Isn't that cheating still?
<remiliascarlet>
Being a porn star is not cheating, it's an occupation.
<remiliascarlet>
It's like saying "my mom is a cook at a restaurant, therefore she's the mother of everyone who eats her food".
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: haha
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Views on Japan's Racial Attitudes Today. This clown says it happens everywhere, in reference to avoiding foreigners. But this isn't entirely true. I find in South East Asia most are curious but shy and if you say hello to them or try to talk to them, they enjoy it. One thing I did notice is Thai children that are really, really young seem to have a fear towards white people. But in Malaysia
<SiFuh>
the very very young chldren here don't care what you look like.
<SiFuh>
Sometimes I prefer the Thai children being afraid of me because the Malay children can be overbearing
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<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Depends. I know a foreigner who always got people enthusiastic and saying "your Japanese is so good" when he just arrived (and his Japanese was still N5 level), now 5 years later his Japanese is N2 level, and the only people who are saying "your Japanese is so good" are other foreigners. Japanese people don't say that to him anymore, and just talk to him like if he were Japanese.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: From what I have seen is that many foreigners don't seem to fit in to Asia because they stand out as an outsider. When you move to an area and rent a home for instance in Asia you are not just renting a home, you are joining into a community.
<SiFuh>
My wife wishes she can be as openly friendly as me. She is often commenting on how I can walk into a quiet shop full of shy people and within seconds the 'ice has broken' and now everyone is having fun and laughing and gossipping, and getting showered with free things and free advice.
<SiFuh>
But her problem is that she is Chinese and the majority of Chinese here live a very closed off life style
<SiFuh>
I went to KL to stay with a few Tamil Indian guys for the Dipavali. I was actually discussing how my wife is also in KL but for her being Chinese, they arange to meet their friends, hang our all day and into the evening and then they all head off to their homes. I asked why she doesn't stay at her friends home and she said "Oh, we don't do that. Once hanging out is over we all go our seperate ways". For me, I
<SiFuh>
just call my friends "I am coming to KL", they will say "Sure, cool" and I crash at their place for a week.
<SiFuh>
I can do that with Malay as well. But with Chinese I noticed they don't seem to have this experience when they are aloder
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<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "When you move to an area and rent a home for instance in Asia you are not just renting a home, you are joining into a community." True.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Another thing I noticed in just about every single country is that foreign residents typically tend to stick together, isolated from the native population, they keep referring themselves as outsiders, and then they wonder why they're considered outsiders.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: 100% true! I convince my suicidal friend from Australia to retire and move to Thailand and return to his Thai wife and he did. He is constantly hanging around with Europeans. I don't have any European friends that I hang out with. I just hang out with the locals, I find them more fun anyway.
<SiFuh>
Oh I was meant to say suicidal and constantly depressed. He is neither now. He is glad to have moved to Thailand.
<remiliascarlet>
Suicidal people have options like moving to some place else where they get happier, or learn to not give a fuck about what others say. Or have someone you very care about like a child or a pet.
<remiliascarlet>
A friend of mine was suicidal because he was never able to get a girlfriend, got bullied, and everything. I advised him to get himself a dog, he did, and now he's no longer suicidal.
<remiliascarlet>
The feel of protecting somebody else's life.
<SiFuh>
He lost his job because he refused to take the injection. Ended up living in a van between friends homes. Life went downhill from there. I told him you have a wife and a house in Thailand. Just go there. Your shitty pension will be decent and you have a relaxing life and a wife. She has a family and they all know you and love you. Just go.. so he did
<remiliascarlet>
Is Thailand really such a relaxing culture?
<SiFuh>
The life is slower there in Udon Thani. But he as been enjoying the company, the food, the renovations, his western friends, the gym. Got his Marriage Visa and he has been travelling around a bit as well.
<remiliascarlet>
All I know about Thailand are Buddhism and Bangkok being the transgender capital of the world.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Depends where you are. But yeah, just don't break the cultural norms. Life moves quite slow there
<SiFuh>
I don't think the transgender thing is entirely true
<SiFuh>
More like cross-dressers pretending to be the opposite sex because they can't afford the mutilation
<remiliascarlet>
Remember the good old times when "gender" and "sex" was still considered synonyms?
<SiFuh>
There is kind of a secret though about the so called 'gay' community in Thailand that isn't spoken about. In simple English, they are seen like Jesters in the life of everyday people. Just something amusing to look at.
<SiFuh>
They are not taken seriously at all but hetrosexuals
<SiFuh>
But this truth is kind of kept under the rug, kind of taboo but not really
<SiFuh>
It is kind of like another subject which is prostitution. You live in the poorer regions and save money so your daughter can go to one of the capital cities to study at university. Eventually she is turning up with makeup, nice clothes and money. She is giving you the money and you know what she is doing, you wife knows. But you never say a word.
<SiFuh>
Anyway, that guy that I convinced to move to Thai will come to Malaysia after December. My plan is to take the jungle truck back to Thailand and he and I can go on a road trip. A bit more than 3,000KM back to his home
<SiFuh>
Japanese Train Line Apologizes for ‘Inconvenience’ After Departing 20 Seconds Early
<SiFuh>
Hahaha
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "nice and funny in a weird way ->>> https://youtube.owacon.moe/watch?v=ABkz2gel034" Women get all the good and exclusive things men can't get. Meanwhile, men get put away as "creepy", "perverted", "sex abuser", and so on, so no wonder so many men choose to remain virgin nowadays.
<remiliascarlet>
Because why would you marry only to lose your right to be with your own children, only because the woman randomly decided to divorse?
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I just binged watched all his videos. The only one I closed early was the homeless video.
<SiFuh>
I have never heard of a guy named Chris Broad before if I recall
<SiFuh>
How would you explain Kizukai in English? -- Very fucking difficult. <-- Hahahaha
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<farkuhar>
Heh, that's the same URL that remiliascarlet posted earlier.
<SiFuh>
Is it?
<SiFuh>
I must have missed it or clicked it and forgot he had sent it
<farkuhar>
Right before you asked whether anyone had experience with NomadBSD, in fact.
<SiFuh>
Ooooo, sincere apologies :-P
<farkuhar>
Meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out what makes a distro "safe from hostile WEF takeovers", according to remiliascarlet. What does the World Economic Forum have to do with OS development?
<SiFuh>
A lot
<SiFuh>
WEF is an unelected body that plans to re-write the path of humanity, without our permission to what they think it should be, based on the ideas of super corporations and philanthropist
<SiFuh>
They got their dirty little mits in everyone's pies
<SiFuh>
They are psychopathic morons with lots of money that think they are genius' because they have money. Yet it is made up of memebers like Bill Gates that want to save our planet by loppin' down forests, burying the trees and block out the sunshine and people referred to as the profit because they plan to force evolve the humans into being gods by merging them with machines and how AI will replace god
<farkuhar>
If they have that much money, why bother "taking over" an OS like Debian or Arch or FreeBSD? They could just create a fork and use all their money to make their derivative work show up higher in search results. Eventually the userbase of the fork would exceed the userbase of the original OS.
<SiFuh>
Pretty much all UN countries agreed to it in 2015. If you go to their strategic site, and register, you will see how deep they are into everything. The fuckers email me daily about upcomming meetings since I registered a few years back.
<SiFuh>
It is not actually about money though. They don't want to fork shit, they want access to it all that already exists
<SiFuh>
This is the website, but it comes up bank for me these days
<farkuhar>
An acquaintance of mine went with GhostBSD instead of FreeBSD on a Thinkpad x230. One day he "pulled an update and ncurses got donked and cmus wouldn't work right anymore." I asked why he didn't install plain FreeBSD, and he said he could never get a straight FreeBSD install to work on that system.
<SiFuh>
They had a huge multi level chart that integrates all aspects of everything
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Bit weird but I kind of agree that if FreeBSD doesn't work why bother with GhostBSD even if GhostBSD does work
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: Because communists don't create, they only take over.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: And destroy
<remiliascarlet>
Yes, but that's the next step.
<remiliascarlet>
Capitalists create and sell, communists conquer and destroy. Kinda like a natural balance.
<SiFuh>
I saw a CNN or FOX thing yesterday where the idiot presenter was telling the world how China is dying and Biden was correct for saying Xi is a dicator. I just burst into laughter.
<remiliascarlet>
And when Trump said exactly the same thing, he was painted as a "racist xenophobe".
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: GhostBSD did work for a while, but their repositories go stale faster than the FreeBSD repos do, and its update tool isn't tested as thoroughly. That's a problem with any derivative work, until it manages to build its own community of regular contributors.
<SiFuh>
I have always seen that communisn is the greatest man made way to rule over man. Expensive and prone to an inevetable failure
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Doesn't it still exist?
<SiFuh>
I think I read it flipped to some other variant then flipped back to FreeBSD
<SiFuh>
Prior to GhostBSD 18.10, the project was based on FreeBSD. In May 2018 it was announced that future versions of the operating system would be based on TrueOS.[3] In 2020, with the discontinuation of TrueOS, GhostBSD switched back to FreeBSD.[4]
<remiliascarlet>
Communism is sold very nicely (the means of production has value, everything is available at no cost, you'll be provided with food), then the reality kicks in, since everybody's paychecks is the same anyway, everyone suddenly becomes a cashier, government doesn't provide food at all, people get lazy as fuck, and suffer from starvation.
<remiliascarlet>
And then you complain about it, and get sent to a gulag.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I ain't for communism and never have been. I always chose the anarchists way. You are your own government.
<remiliascarlet>
Anarchy is great if you already have a population with a sense of self responsibility, but unfortunately, we have a world full of idiots.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: By the way that Chris Broad guy's videos were kind of interesting and well put together.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Richard Rowe from Australia says similar but I think this view isn't correct.
<SiFuh>
The world is full of idiots but in the Asian world even the idiots fit in. In the Western world it may be a bit different if the system collapses, but in the long run, I think within this generation the entire human race would adapt very quickly to the new circumstances.
<remiliascarlet>
Asian societies have stood the test of time far longer than western ones.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: did you see what happened in Arcapulco after the cat 5 Hurricane hit?
<SiFuh>
Also not sure if I can accept that but it does appear so
<SiFuh>
The Greek and Roman empire/republic is still seen scattered everywhere in the Western worlds.
<remiliascarlet>
Just look at how long China, Japan, and India exist, compare that to Greece, that fell, then got subverted into Roman Empire, then the western half collapsed, so it became the Bazitine Empire, then the Ottomans took it over, only to then become Greece again after WWI.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "did you see what happened in Arcapulco after the cat 5 Hurricane hit?" No.
<SiFuh>
Delete China from that and then I will say yes.
<remiliascarlet>
China in its original form still exists, but in Taiwan.
<SiFuh>
No it ain't
<SiFuh>
Hurricane Otis went from a tropical storm to a cat 5 over night and hit the mainland 12 hours before it should.
<SiFuh>
Many homes descimated. The Anarchist community from that area has come in to feed, clothe, and re-house, reconstruct which is really amazing
<remiliascarlet>
Mexico is so far away from me, I don't know what happens over there unless somebody tells me about it.
<SiFuh>
Government turned up issuing papers to anyone with a legal house to get rebuilt. But poor people don't have legal houses.
<SiFuh>
I don't remember seeing it on the news at all
<SiFuh>
Hurricane Max was to hit a week or 2 earlier and took out another region
<SiFuh>
[SiFuh> No it ain't <-- What China was is not what they think they were.
<SiFuh>
But that can be said with pretty much most countries
<SiFuh>
I have met kids that Thailand has always existed on the back of a turtle and that Myanmar tried to steal their shell. I've met adults that think the same thing.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: My wife tried to buy Wagyu beef here. I told her if not from Japan, it ain't genuine.
<remiliascarlet>
Well, she's not wrong.
<SiFuh>
You mean me?
<remiliascarlet>
I mean, your wife is not wrong. I thought this was clear, unless you're a lesbian woman.
<SiFuh>
She wanted to buy Wagyu and I told her not to, because if it is not Japanese Wagyu it is fake.
<remiliascarlet>
Also, I find it awkward to say "wagyu beef", it's like saying "Deutsches bier beer".
<SiFuh>
Good point
<remiliascarlet>
Oh, I thought she said that if it's not from Japan, it's not genuine, and you were the ones who tried it.
<remiliascarlet>
My bad.
<SiFuh>
My wifie is Chinese and from Malaysia. Not really much education here.
<SiFuh>
But Australia also has little education
<remiliascarlet>
Not sure what's better, because in countries where people lack education, they're dumb. But in countries where people are big on education, they're just as dumb.
<SiFuh>
I am talking pre 6/7th grade education
<SiFuh>
Not that high school stuff. The basic education that everyone is suppose to know.
<SiFuh>
Sometimes it is very funny though. I told her the car is pulling to the left. She says she doesn't notice a thing. Then she mentions to her friend who is a mechanice that the car is pulling to the left and he said she needs a wheel alignment. I take the air compressor out of my truck and pump her 19 PSI left side tyres to 32 PSI and go to the right side and pump her 20 PSI tyres to 32 PSI and she asks "You
<SiFuh>
fixed my car already?" I am just laughing so much
<remiliascarlet>
A car pulling to the left? That sounds very damn degenerate.
<SiFuh>
We discussed later that day that her friend wants money from her and probably knows that lack of PSI on the left caused the problem
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: Yeah, hopefully not as far left as those commies
<remiliascarlet>
And then he left the company, and Microsoft all of the sudden "loves" Linux.
<remiliascarlet>
Loves as long as they can surpress it.
<SiFuh>
Do you remember when it was discovered MSN messenger was run on FreeBSD servers? Then MS changed all the servers to Microsoft and MSN messenger kept crashing. Then they finally changed back to FreeBSD?
<remiliascarlet>
When communists take over the entertainment industry: "put a chick in it, and make it gay. AND I WANT IT LAME!"
<SiFuh>
HAHAHAHA
<SiFuh>
South Park
<remiliascarlet>
The only way I could even watch that episode was by downloading a torrent.
<SiFuh>
Is the only way
<SiFuh>
I saw Cannibal the musical. Such a horrible movie. After that I have seen every South Park episode they ever made.
<remiliascarlet>
Does Hollywood even make any movies worth watching anyway?
<remiliascarlet>
I mean over the past 6 or so years.
<SiFuh>
The last Top Gun
<SiFuh>
Top Gun: Maverick (2023)
<SiFuh>
Maybe 2022
<remiliascarlet>
I actually have to give the WEF credit where it's due. Because of their continuous destruction of entertainment, I got more productive than ever, and started making my own.
<SiFuh>
I might watch that movie again. Not tonight because I am watching My Darling Clementine (1946)
<remiliascarlet>
If you make your own games, comics, animation, and everything else now, you'll be right in time to cash in when the current entertainment industries collapse.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: I must admit, I did like that amateur fan made movie Predator: Dark Ages
<remiliascarlet>
True. I even remember the older games from the 1980s~2000s, when prototypes of video games when publicly announced were completely different from the final product, and it would still take up to 5 years for the games to finally come out, and if it wasn't finished yet, they would just delay it. Today, the initial announcement footage is almost identical to the final game, and release is within a few
<remiliascarlet>
months, and they are full of bugs too. But don't worry, cames these days can be updated post-release, so they'll get polished eventually herp derp.